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#24 - lolfire (06/06/2013) [-]
......no, not really.    
   
He can take Mal's because he knows the weight and action of the totem.    
He can't use his ring because in reality and dreams he wears it. There is no definable action of the ring. It doesn't spin, it doesn't fall in a specific way.    
   
The reason you know he is awake is because his children are wearing different shoes at the final scene. In his dreams they always wear the same things, he can't imagine them wearing anything else. So the change of clothes proves reality.    
Also, the end of the film is the only time the totem semi-tilts while spinning. In every other scene it spins perfectly, it doesn't slow or lean. At the end it slows and leans, so therefore reality.
......no, not really.

He can take Mal's because he knows the weight and action of the totem.
He can't use his ring because in reality and dreams he wears it. There is no definable action of the ring. It doesn't spin, it doesn't fall in a specific way.

The reason you know he is awake is because his children are wearing different shoes at the final scene. In his dreams they always wear the same things, he can't imagine them wearing anything else. So the change of clothes proves reality.
Also, the end of the film is the only time the totem semi-tilts while spinning. In every other scene it spins perfectly, it doesn't slow or lean. At the end it slows and leans, so therefore reality.
#153 to #24 - mr skeltal (06/06/2013) [-]
maybe you're over thinking the writing, and you're not supposed to know about the ending
#131 to #24 - jboienggh (06/06/2013) [-]
I did the research quite a while ago after reading this theory and it is of course possible that I'm wrong but if you watch carefully, I'm pretty sure that in every dream sequence he has his ring on, giving more weight to the idea that its presence alone is his real totem. Plus, I get what you mean about the action aspect but really, knowing the weight of the object would allow him to distinguish between it and a fake. Any other ring on his finger would feel different to him. IMO that's a pretty plausible explanation.
#118 to #24 - mr skeltal (06/06/2013) [-]
WRONG.

Totem doesn't need an action, so the ring is still legit.
#96 to #24 - censius (06/06/2013) [-]
The totem doesn't need to do a specific action. In fact, the top is the only totem does anything other than have specific dimensions and weight.
#116 to #96 - mr skeltal (06/06/2013) [-]
Each extractor has a unique totem unique to a certain action. I'm pretty sure the requirement was implied (if not explicitly told) to Ariadne by Arthur when he brought out his dice.
#117 to #116 - mr skeltal (06/06/2013) [-]
...ahem, *die
User avatar #98 to #96 - lolfire (06/06/2013) [-]
Wrong.

It HAS to have an action.

The top spins.
The loaded dice falls on a specific number every time.
The chess piece falls on a specific side.
Eame's chip always multiplies when he rubs his fingers over it.
Saito has no totem as he's not an extractor
Same for Fischer and the Scientist.
#124 to #98 - rakoom (06/06/2013) [-]
The loaded dice's point was that it was loaded. Not that it would fall, because that's only a side-thing that he could do in checking it. The only thing that REALLY mattered was the weight in the dice. Sure, if you drop it, it would always fall in a specific way, but he only needed to hold it, and feel the weight to see if the person who created the dream (if they were in a dream) had left out the detail of the die. If not, then he would be sure that they were in a dream. But if the weight was different, in the way that only he knew about, then it would be reality. Nobody could create a dream where they added a detail only he knew about.

Same with all of the other totems. You only needed a detail only you knew about, and you would have to be able to check it somehow. Touching it, like with the chess-piece, was the only necessity. Dropping it is also possible, but only optional.
#223 to #124 - mr skeltal (06/06/2013) [-]
This is further solidified by the fact that a person could very easily make loaded die in a dream. The weight is what's important.
#240 to #223 - rakoom (06/06/2013) [-]
Yes, a loaded die could be made. However, they wouldn't know which side to load. Eheeh? Eheh? The thing was, I think, that the die wasn't loaded to just get a 6. It was loaded differently, for the pure sake of being different. Not to get the highest score possible.
User avatar #222 to #124 - Fgner (06/06/2013) [-]
In fact, an action would make a totem more likely to fail.

> First, it would be obvious what your totem is when you constantly play with them. A bit conspicuous when someone throws a pair of dice every hour.

> Second, it's really easy to observe an action as a third party. I can easily look over the shoulder of someone and see which face the die land on, or the chess piece falls, or the top spins. It's extremely hard to observe a property of an item when you have no way of accessing thus item. I can't tell how heavy an item is or it's weight distrobution without directly handling the object.
#241 to #222 - rakoom (06/06/2013) [-]
True, and if you were to roll a die, it wouldn't necessarily land on the loaded side. A loaded die isn't overweighed onto one side to always get 6'es. It has gotten more weight on one side to merely increase the average number of what it lands on. The average score the die will get would be raised. It wouldn't be increased by a specific amount.

So the only CERTAIN thing a person could do, would be to touch it and hold it, etc.
#80 to #24 - yomommabinshoppin (06/06/2013) [-]
You can too spin a ring, and keep in mind that one of the used a chess piece as their totem, and you can't spin a chess piece
User avatar #81 to #80 - lolfire (06/06/2013) [-]
The chess piece falls on a specific side. As seen in the film while Arianna is making it. That's why she's drilling it.
He never did spin the ring though, so we cannot assume that it has a specific function, ruling it out as a totem.
#82 to #81 - yomommabinshoppin (06/06/2013) [-]
I refer you to comment #72, stating that the ring is the real totem, and that the top is just a distraction.
#86 to #82 - yomommabinshoppin (06/06/2013) [-]
You state that there is no definable action of the ring, claiming that it won't spin, believe me, rings are definitely capable of spinning
User avatar #83 to #82 - lolfire (06/06/2013) [-]
I refer you to my original comment, stating that the ring is not a viable totem.
User avatar #72 to #24 - mrbuu (06/06/2013) [-]
no the reason he can't use the totem is mal invades any dream he is in and tells them **** and would thus ruin the totem. the totem is used as a distraction from his real totem, a simple ring.

look at the guy in berlin who was smuggling bikes,but always came with a bag of sand. the guards would cut it open and check it and let him go on. distract people from the real problem.
#50 to #24 - mr skeltal (06/06/2013) [-]
wouldn't his kids be grown up because he was gone for several years. Honestly, he's gone for a long time and when we returns, his kids are around the same age, obviously a dream, bro.
User avatar #78 to #50 - thundagawd (06/06/2013) [-]
He explains early on that time in a dream passes roughly 20 times slower than it does in the real world, and this increases exponentially the more layers there are in a dream. The 50 years he spent with Mal in limbo amounted to only 3 hours when they had finally woken up.

Also, if you look carefully during the credits, there are in fact 2 sets of actors who portrayed his children, and upon further inspection, the actresses that played his daughter were 3 and 5 years old, and the actors that played his son were 1.5 and 3.5 years old, so his children DID actually age during the time he wasn't with them, it's just that most of his life between those 2 points were spent in dreams, so not as much time passes as you would have assumed.
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User avatar #49 to #24 - ilcecchino ONLINE (06/06/2013) [-]
It dosn't have to spin. if his wife is dead... then they can't be "togeather" right... so he takes the ring off in reality. but while he's dreaming. nobody but him knows that he truly still loves her and isn't over her. therefor the ring symbolises that love in the dreamscape
#40 to #24 - tehavatar (06/06/2013) [-]
or hes goes into dreamception and the totem will fall in his dreams as well.   
also, you can dream up different clothes, so that doesnt necessarily prove anything, like mal wasnt wearing the same clothes in every dream, was she?   
just saying if he wasnt working on a new quantum physics movie, Christopher Nolan might develop a similar story for a sequel where he was dreaming.
or hes goes into dreamception and the totem will fall in his dreams as well.
also, you can dream up different clothes, so that doesnt necessarily prove anything, like mal wasnt wearing the same clothes in every dream, was she?
just saying if he wasnt working on a new quantum physics movie, Christopher Nolan might develop a similar story for a sequel where he was dreaming.
User avatar #41 to #40 - lolfire (06/06/2013) [-]
The totem can't fall in the dream because it's a physical object from the real world. The totem is the only constant link to the real world. If the totem could fall into a dream then there would be no way in knowing if any of the movie is real. It could all be a dream. With Dom not even having a wife or kids or any of it.
Mal is always wearing what Dom remembers.
The house, the hotel, everything. He builds his dreams on memory so he cannot create new clothing and situations. Everything takes place in the "dream prison" he built.

#42 to #41 - tehavatar (06/06/2013) [-]
I'm not saying that it's absolute that the totem means nothing, but maybe cobb has somehow gotten around it.
User avatar #31 to #24 - AdminsGayLover (06/06/2013) [-]
And even in the off chance it isn't reality, he would eventually have realized the totem is spinning and capped himself.
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