you mean freedom?

except the woman in the bikini can put on any clothes she wants to (including a burka) whereas the woman in the burka can't show herself without the burka

Exactly.

true, but do you think that the western lady would have the same level of social respect or popularity if she was wearing bland, cheap, non revealing clothing? how acceptable is it in western society for a woman to dress for comfort and not mini skirts and tube tops that require adjustment every 20 seconds? why is it that a woman in a sexually provocative pose is in every car, tractor, and beer commercial? the Islamic world sees the use of women as sexual objects as the true crime against women's rights.

it is as acceptable in Islam for a woman to wear a burqa as it is for her to dress in any other clothing which is non revealing ( a shirt, long skirt, loose jeans etc). The burqa and face veil are cultural and not religious things. The real purpose behind this is to prevent woman from becoming sexual object and instead being co-humans. Contrary to popular belief muslim women are allowed to work, attain as much education as they please and in fact Islam gave property and inheritance rights 1200 years before 'Murica or any other western country. and if you actually study Islam you come to know that women have it better than men, that would explain why the ratio of converts to Islam in the western world leans heavily towards women.

and in any cross-culture or religious comparison you end up in the same conundrum as this.

From my experience, I've found that women who cover themselves up more without being self righteous and bitchy about it command more respect. You don't respect a girl who walks around in skimpy clothing you just want to **** her. It's very different.

I love how all the little ***** like you go into anon mode when typing idiocy.

Loser...

Saudi Arabia ≠ Islam

Muslims=/=Arabs. Only 18% of all Muslims are Arabs so why the heck do people use **** that happens in the middle east against 100%?

People = Terrorists.

You're too stupid to realise what you just said. Take a moment to load a gun and blow your own brains out.

Really? That's actually very surprising to me.

That applies to pretty much every nation on Earth, even in developed societies.

>Uses western examples
>Countries where EVERYONE has access to education

Non Islamic countries
Liberia- Male 64.8%, Female 56.8%
Laos- Male 83%, Female 63%
Kosovo (A European Example)- 96.6% Male, 87.5% female
Bolivia- 93% male, 80.7% female
Cape Verde- 89.3% male, 79.4% female

All your argument illustrates is that the countries (and islands) you listed are more developed

yes because the comment he adressed said "even in developed societies"...
So what's the problem?

Anon's argument was "Literacy rates for women are lower than men in every Islamic country" i posted non-Islamic nations that also fit that description; furthermore all his counter arguments were developed nations and he could not come up with a non-Islamic nation that was underdeveloped for an example

Furthermore anon ignored Qatar (96.5% male to 95.4% female), Oman (86.8% male to 90% female), and Kuwait (94.4% male to 97% female); which are developed Islamic nations with male to female disparity within 1% trending towards males

“You should either be a scholar, or a student, or a listener, or a lover of (knowledge) and scholars, and you should not be the fifth which will make you perish. The fifth point is: To hate knowledge and its people (academia)”
(Tabrani)

“Seeking of knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim male or female.”
(Ibn Majah)
again social and not religious.

When did this become a religious debate? I thought it was about cultural differences from the beginning. You can't argue religious morals from the perspective of men. I would sooner debate the Islam fundamentals. This is a cultural debate, and I think women need to cover up more. Here's a story from something that happened to me yesterday:

I was helping a friend paint a house when his wife showed up wearing short shorts. I tried to be friendly to her as usual, but I found her attire too distracting for casual interaction, so I just ignored her more than usual. I think that confused her and she felt bad, so I have something to say to the women: If you're still looking for a guy, wear your scanty outfits if you must, but if you're looking to hang out put on some clothes, damn it.

Roll your tongue back into your mouth, bro. My friends' wives aren't sex objects to me. There's a difference between looking good and being sexy. If you're trying to get laid, walking around ***** might work, but if you don't want to scare your husbands true bros away, be respectable.

You don't seem to understand. There's a difference between between looking good and dressing slutty, and a difference between objective aesthetics and what gives you a boner. Some people can't differentiate what they like and what they like to **** , but think about it like this: Would you tell your bro's wife she has nice legs, squeezable breasts, and incredible curves? No. The only purpose of showing off these features is to make you think of sex. Everyone knows that.

the present imam of Mecca (the closest thing the Muslims have to a pope, though such a position does not exist) tweeted that "I see no creation as blessed as women, for as a daughter she is a path to heaven for her parents, as a wife she is the path to heaven for her husband, as a mother heaven itself is beneath her feet(i.e. heaven is attained through service to your mother)"