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User avatar #26 - songemot (05/28/2013) [-]
What if North Korea really is the greatest country in the world, and we're the ones who have been brainwashed?
#78 to #26 - captainreposty (05/28/2013) [-]
Because we've been there...
We've seen the atrocities, and have defectors to talk to ad learn from.
They say it's still better than 'Murica...
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#139 to #93 - captainreposty (05/28/2013) [-]
To me, there is nothing worse than the illusion of freedom, which America suffers more than any nation has in world history.
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#158 to #149 - captainreposty (05/28/2013) [-]
I don't think you know what "freedom" is. In either of it's definitions.
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#176 to #169 - captainreposty (05/30/2013) [-]
Negative liberty: the natural state of freedom, the freedom to do whatever you want when you want, "because fuck you, I'm a free American". Or as Locke famously put it; Life. Liberty. Property.
- Negative liberty means freedom from the state, so the State won't help out others, those in poverty, those with health issues, because fuck you, we need our "individual liberty". The State would not exist in this sense. People would have to fend for themselves, and those who are stronger (either financially or literally) gain all the power.

Positive liberty: freedom comes from within, and it is a controllable thing. It isn't a "natural" right to be able to do whatever you want. Freedom is freedom from dependence on others.
- Positive liberty means that the State exists, and exists for good reasons. The best example would be what Rousseau professed, and Rousseau's work was heavily influential on the greatest US President: Jefferson.
What positive liberty curtails; freedom to do whatever you want, property is only that which the first occupier claims is his, etc.; it provides so much more.
But everyone has to be equal under positive liberty, hence why it is regarded as true freedom. It means everyone, because we have evolved socially and literally, works together for a common purpose, hence no one owns any property, because it is already owned by everyone, if that makes sense (if it does, then you understand these two notions).

These are very, very basic explanations, and I'm probably missing some points, but whats to point in continuing until I've estalished that you've got the gist.

Basically, Negative-liberty is open to dominance, on account that if you don't work for another person (unless you're an agricultural farmer/hunter), you are going to die. This dependence removes all liberty and equality.

Positive liberty = freedom from within, the freedom to make rational choices because they are your own choice, not a forced choice.
#43 to #26 - casval (05/28/2013) [-]
Then we would have heard about them beating someone other than their own people.
User avatar #48 to #43 - kyrill ONLINE (05/28/2013) [-]
being a great country =/= being a powerful military country
#168 to #48 - casval (05/28/2013) [-]
Thank God someone on FunnyJunk showed me the error of my politically incorrect ways. For a minute there, I was joking around about a serious issue like the greatness of North Korea.
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