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User avatar #49 - piesgood (05/22/2013) [-]
Its kinda sad how one study gets released suggesting a correlation, the media finds out about it and goes on about how its a causation and don't vaccinate your kids, everyone believes it, and now we have lots of children without immunity to measles. It probably didn't help that he went on TV and made the link to begin with either.
#55 to #49 - dagreatmax (05/22/2013) [-]
OPINION AHEAD!   
   
I think we should stop vaccinating for some stuff and let our bodies get the resistance to it naturally, like 95% of tigers got HIV but nothing is happening to them. We will  lose alot of people but on the long run we would be resistant to diseases and etc.
OPINION AHEAD!

I think we should stop vaccinating for some stuff and let our bodies get the resistance to it naturally, like 95% of tigers got HIV but nothing is happening to them. We will lose alot of people but on the long run we would be resistant to diseases and etc.
User avatar #316 to #55 - piesgood (05/23/2013) [-]
I'd just like to point out that all vaccines are are dormant versions of the virus. So what it does is allow our body to in the future identify and destroy it much quicker, as the first time it was introduced to us through vaccine our body built up memory cells to identify it in the future. So you can be my guest and build those memory cells the hard way if you really want to, but I think I'll stick with the dormant strains in the vaccine.
User avatar #323 to #316 - dagreatmax (05/23/2013) [-]
Thank you for reminding me the stuff I learned last semester
User avatar #328 to #323 - piesgood (05/24/2013) [-]
You're welcome. I'm learning it THIS semester, and I like explaining things I just learnt. Helps me remember it. Thanks for listening!
#95 to #55 - hardongo ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
User avatar #80 to #55 - RandomAnonGuy (05/22/2013) [-]
Then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work.
Long term vaccines don't replace or assist the immune system - They simply allow it to recognize the disease.
User avatar #311 to #80 - dagreatmax (05/23/2013) [-]
I understand that but the thing is that the disease mutates. I'm just saying what my biology teacher thought of.
User avatar #68 to #55 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
i agree
humans have survived for how many thousands of years by building up their own immune systems.....so how come in the last couple mere centuries we're being told we cant survive without all these chemical medications?

people can bleat about all these diseases we never had back in the past.....well thats because most of them were bred and spread by the government to promote dependency on meds
#152 to #68 - adak (05/22/2013) [-]
Yeah you're totally right, we sure didn't have any trouble surviving disease back in the day.

*Cough*Black Death, smallpox, measles, typhoid fever, I could keep going*Cough*
User avatar #290 to #152 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
right, and back in the day when these diseases began, we never found ways to live past them, so i guess all humans must be dead?
explain to me how we exist if we didnt find non-vaccine solutions
User avatar #324 to #290 - adak (05/23/2013) [-]
Sure we "found" non-vaccine solutions, if by solution you mean that almost everyone that didn't already have or developed some sort of immunity died painful deaths. Not so great for the individuals but yes, as a species we survived. Somehow I find a vaccine preferable. Less people dying and less finacial damage for the community.
User avatar #325 to #324 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/23/2013) [-]
yes but in the long run, we shouldnt be making humans dependent on artificial means to live, because then they can be used against us
User avatar #326 to #325 - adak (05/23/2013) [-]
As opposed to immunity? The natives of america probably had good immunity against all the diseases they had over there but when confronted with new pathogens when the european settlers came I think 95% of the populace died.

And I don't see how you can call vaccinating "dependency", it's a couple of shots to get a lifelong protection against most diseases, the exception being flu-vaccines, which isn't even recommended in my country except for the old or frail and in some cases children.
#119 to #68 - mr skeltal (05/22/2013) [-]
can you tell this to some dude in a wheelchair who had polio?

please?

tell him all about polio was caused by the governement, and isnt a disease thats been described in ancient roman texts.

please, tell him that he's been in his wheelchair since he was 4 because the governement developped diseases.

AND most of all: PLEASE
castrate yourself.
User avatar #82 to #68 - RandomAnonGuy (05/22/2013) [-]
Oh go **** a landmine.
>Vaccines don't alter the immune system, they just give it the tools to recognize disease
>Nobody is suggesting we wouldn't survive. Just that it would be less pleasant and less people would be alive.
>People who legitimately believe the government would do that are dumb enough to actually try ******* landmines.
User avatar #327 to #82 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/23/2013) [-]
well why wouldnt the government do it
apart from war, what better way to add fear to the populace than have them forever afraid of the world around them and relying on big brother government to protect them

inventing diseases and spreading them around means people will flock to state-moderated medical services for 'treatment'
how many people live taking one medication or another they may not really need, just because theyve been told they do, they take it
User avatar #329 to #327 - RandomAnonGuy (05/24/2013) [-]
Because the government is made up of humans just like you, you ******* twat. Not to mention they all represent different groups and ideals and that it would be functionally impossible to mount a conspiracy that big. You may as well ask the Westboro Baptist Church and American Atheists to mount a huge secret operation to promote witchcraft as a state martial art. Several fundamental pieces of the plan are just massively ****** right from the start and it's not going to go anywhere.
User avatar #330 to #329 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
seriously......its not like they planned this in the last couple years,...theyve been engineering large-scale operations for decades and decades....they just pass the torch onto new people after so long but maintain the same theme

if doctors can promote getting so many men in usa to believe having part of their dicks cut off with circumcision is viably healthy...then telling people they need to have chemicals injected into them to live, isnt so hard
User avatar #331 to #330 - RandomAnonGuy (05/24/2013) [-]
Jesus Christ, you realize people die from the common cold every day because some people don't have access to vaccines? Circumcision was born on religious grounds and people will fight tooth and nail to keep that sort of thing around. Not to mention that every so often a guy doesn't take care of his dick and it falls off and that's enough to some people. Vaccines however were born from science and have saved millions of lives, and that's a fact.
You are talking about a group of people that will passionately fight over gay marriage for decades, and suggesting that they suddenly all band together for your detriment. Not only that, but ever original member was replaced by a completely unrelated member and not a damn thing changed.
Pray tell, why does this stuff even enter your head to begin with? Where does it come from?
User avatar #332 to #331 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
people who die from the common cold are either born with weak immune systems, thus darwin's named weaker species, or had their systens ****** by 'medicines' and thus cant live without them....
im 32, never had a flu shot ever, and i dont get much more than a runny nose, despite all these claims of 'super flu' going around....i built up a normal immune system....why cant others

cutting part of a guys dick off to help avoid genital problems as opposed to adequate hygeine to do it, is the same as eating/injecting chemicals to build up an immune system as opposed to do it naturally with the normal human body immunity defenses

stop being a sheep and open your mind to facts outside what the government shoves down your throat....their 'truth' is not the only truth
User avatar #333 to #332 - RandomAnonGuy (05/24/2013) [-]
No, people die from the common cold because it's a damn effective disease. Hence, "common." It wouldn't be successful if it couldn't spread and it wouldn't be a disease if it didn't abuse the host.
Also, it takes a special kind of conspiracy theorist to say that people should die because you think the government is just pumping us full of chemicals. By the way, everything in the vaccine is gone within a week. All that's left is your cells memories of what it looks like. So to say that they died because they relied on the medicines is just retarded.
#334 to #333 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
i dont support people dying, i support people building up natural immune systems to LIVE
you really trust what the government tells you....just like they said GM food is perfectly safe while covering up the fact GM foods caused birth defects in tons of pregnant women's kids.....similar deal with medicines....you dont KNOW whats in them or what they actually do

explain to me, how never having had a flu shot, people like myself who keep natural are more healthy than those who rely on flu vaccines?
User avatar #335 to #334 - RandomAnonGuy (05/24/2013) [-]
>Natural doesn't mean good. Vaccines work without people dying.
>So much wrong with that. Is any of that on the market? Do you realize it was one plant group? Care to provide evidence the government had any part in it? Sometimes, mistakes are made, did you expect them to test on humans first? No ill effects were observed in the tests or in the human trials.
>You could get a doctorate and find out, but then you'd be part of the conspiracy wouldn't you?
>Statistically, you're not. In first world countries, you benefit from herd immunity.
#336 to #335 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
vaccines work without people dying.....   
you keep implying that vaccines kill people...while i say its people depending on them and without them they'll die....   
   
of course the government was involved, you think the food and drug DJ 4DM1Nistration would just let people GM their crops without government regulation?....no,...it was done under government endorsement   
the government keeps finding reason to spray poisons over everything, and GM'd the crops to survive the poisons, while not caring that mutant food may have some negative effect on people   
   
similar story to how in vietnam they sprayed agent orange over everthing then deny that the chemicals were responsible for the troops having medical issues (and some having kids with defects because of the poisons in their systems poisoned their reproductive areas)   
   
and as for the 'no ill effects' story, of course when the 'test subjects' are fed normal food under the assumption its GM, then when obviously nothing bad comes from eating safe food, just because they think they ate GM food, they say its safe   
 - if i took someone who's never had pepsi or coke, put pepsi in the coke bottle and told them its coke, just because it has coke on the label they'll believe that was coke   
   
and finishing....you've played the strawman, you want me to go study medicine and find out things because you cant prove that vaccines and GM foods are safe,
vaccines work without people dying.....
you keep implying that vaccines kill people...while i say its people depending on them and without them they'll die....

of course the government was involved, you think the food and drug DJ 4DM1Nistration would just let people GM their crops without government regulation?....no,...it was done under government endorsement
the government keeps finding reason to spray poisons over everything, and GM'd the crops to survive the poisons, while not caring that mutant food may have some negative effect on people

similar story to how in vietnam they sprayed agent orange over everthing then deny that the chemicals were responsible for the troops having medical issues (and some having kids with defects because of the poisons in their systems poisoned their reproductive areas)

and as for the 'no ill effects' story, of course when the 'test subjects' are fed normal food under the assumption its GM, then when obviously nothing bad comes from eating safe food, just because they think they ate GM food, they say its safe
- if i took someone who's never had pepsi or coke, put pepsi in the coke bottle and told them its coke, just because it has coke on the label they'll believe that was coke

and finishing....you've played the strawman, you want me to go study medicine and find out things because you cant prove that vaccines and GM foods are safe,
User avatar #337 to #336 - RandomAnonGuy (05/24/2013) [-]
What the **** ?
"Vaccines work without people dying" somehow turns into "vaccines kill people" in your head?
Government mandating trials somehow turns into "covering up the fact GM foods caused birth defects"?
Keeping your main source of food from being completely destroyed, is evil?
A horrible and unprecedented reaction to high and constant levels of a plant poison that has lasting effects on their citizens, was orchestrated by the government intentionally?
You seem to believe that every living person besides yourself is incomprehensibly evil. I stand by my original comment - Go **** a landmine.
User avatar #338 to #337 - konradkurze ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
good god, is english your first language? or are you foreign and having trouble understanding it?

i am saying, that people using vaccines will adapt to need them to stay healthybecause they wont have natural immunities....
what YOU seem to read, is that im claiming the vaccines kill people

the government mandates poisonous GM foods while lying that they are safe, not true - when american grown GM foods were shipped to europe, europeans wanted to test them to make sure, the american FDA repeatedly said they didnt need to -well if they were safe they wouldnt need to be so aggressive in refusing europeans test them, if theyre safe then let them waste their time proving it
the europeans did the tests anyway and found that GM foods were harmful......

the government is intentionally putting harmful things out there to keep the people too busy worrying about themselves to look at the bigger picture of whats going on outside their personal lives

nice job with the ad hominem, having a childish rage at me on the net, as if trolling somehow means you win.....well if that helps you sleep at night....so be it,
User avatar #51 to #49 - brenton (05/22/2013) [-]
It was later disproved by many other experiments, but no. The media won't show that, because hype about those damn immunizations boosts ratings.
User avatar #54 to #51 - piesgood (05/22/2013) [-]
Precisely. Even when he had his doctorate stripped and The Lancet journal retracted it and made it quite difficult to get, it still continued. Controversy gets viewers, after all.
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