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User avatar #182 - tylermcall (05/15/2013) [-]
His point was pure, but he came off more of an ******* than he probably thought. There is only a limited amount of ******** religious nuts, so it's not like our country will go to hell without this select few. Plus not all churches are like the ones he is thinking of. My church does support both the idea of creationism and evolution. God created the life on the 5th day, and he created man on the 6th, but the problem is god never made set time. Time is man's creation, therefore time could not be implemented when god created man. Between "day" 5 and "day" 6 is when we believe evolution occurred. God created the single cell. He then gave that cell the ability to duplicate and adapted. Eventually that adaptation turned the cell, which god created, into everything living thing today.
#180 - krayon (05/15/2013) [-]
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#171 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Yes, **** those old Christian bigots. The custodial engineers like pic related are our future.
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User avatar #175 to #173 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
scientifically literate
What good does knowing what an atom and a molecule are when you hate the old white bigots on which society is founded on, like Bill Nye?

The custodial engineers will be the pioneers of the new Atheist America. A nice third world economy with crime rates just slightly better than the Congo!
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User avatar #207 to #199 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Blacks are more likely than Whites to get into prison

Oh, but then correlation doesn't equal causation, I forgot...
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#218 to #209 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Oops, I made a fallacy! I am almost certain delving deeper into this will show that those "Christians" who are most likely to go to prison in America are not your typical Conservatives, rather black and latino urbanite liberals, but I am just delving far too deep into the pool or irrationality to be taken seriously by those with an IQ over 100 anymore. I apologize for not simply accepting the backwardness of religion and the need of its immediate abolishment for the good of Lord Tyson, our lord and savior who has dedicated long hours in debating Christurds (truly a model for us all), when I first had the opportunity to prove myself as a thinker, not a follower.

I would have responded by saying that comment #207 was exposing a common fallacy in banana thinking, in which bananas cannot accept Science in which Tyson didn't write about in his scriptures (and how such dogmatic thinking correlates with creationists), but my career is over.
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#204 to #198 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
I love this atheist banana-hunt. I have never met a creationist in my life but yet the banana boys like to spend all day discrediting an already discredited believe. They join in with the "latinos" and ******* in hating "the man who gotz my peoples down;" Conservative White people.

Atheism is Tysonism, the newest religion on the block.
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User avatar #221 to #208 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Making random insults and throwing in completely irrelevant points doesn't make what i say a fact. That scientifically literate people need to accept scientific evidence for our society to work, and that your retarded fundies only hold that back.
Explain to me how people who have different believes than you when it comes to how humans developed on earth affects you in such an individualist country like America, where such broad concepts have little groundwork in mending society.

I can understand how under Bolshevism, when Science was restricted to fit the proletariat under the party, was harmful, because it was illegal to voice deviancies (for example you could not say intelligence was hereditary, even slightly so.)
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User avatar #224 to #222 - byposted ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Evolution is a theory and will probably forever remain so.

Imagine if you taught your kids that you should deny science, then your entire nation gets destroyed and wasted.
This does not relate to denying evolutionary theory. Creationists are no different than the Amish, who "deny Science" insofar as it conflicts with their lifestyles. They are small social groups in a cosmopolitan society. Science and Technological advancement will progress with these groups of people intact, despite their thinking. Modern backwardness will not prevent the Western World from progressing.

For example, denying evolution is not akin to denying modern farming methods. A liberal denying racial science may do harm to a country where said liberal brings in millions of immigrants, but that's a fallacy, I know.
User avatar #139 - fredthemilkman (05/15/2013) [-]
Bill Nye doesn't have any kids. How the hell does he know how to raise one?
I only take opinions on raising children from people who've had kids.
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User avatar #163 to #157 - fredthemilkman (05/15/2013) [-]
I guess this is true, forgot he had a kids show
User avatar #148 to #139 - soopergrover (05/15/2013) [-]
Stop trying to change the subject.
User avatar #149 to #148 - fredthemilkman (05/15/2013) [-]
I'm on the subject. He's talking about raising kids, which he's never done.
User avatar #152 to #149 - soopergrover (05/15/2013) [-]
Yeah I didn't word that well.

Are you butthurt about the fact that he's bashing creationism?
User avatar #156 to #152 - fredthemilkman (05/15/2013) [-]
No, I don't take any advice on raising children from people who haven't done it themselves.
User avatar #162 to #156 - soopergrover (05/15/2013) [-]
Wait, he isn't even giving advice on how to raise them. He's basically saying the future needs them.
User avatar #159 to #156 - soopergrover (05/15/2013) [-]
Meh, whatever.
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#160 to #95 - Xyhpon (05/15/2013) [-]
I don't know if the banana thing is a joke, but if it isn't then what the hell?
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#169 to #164 - Xyhpon (05/15/2013) [-]
That whole video is just... wut?
User avatar #124 to #95 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
mfw creationism and evolution are not at odds
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
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User avatar #138 to #128 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
Creationism is a belief for WHY things exist.
evolution is only a means for life to get from point A to point B, but why does this process take place? According to creationists, because God willed it to.

I'm not saying creationism is correct (I'm not even religious), but my point is that the chart is flawed in that it implies that creationism and evolution are contradictory theories, when in reality, they can coexist.
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User avatar #186 to #150 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
"Science doesn't care about the why questions"
yes it does. that's why there is a differentiation between "theory" and "law."
theories explain, and laws describe.

"You don't need to know why life is here"
I don't need to know how either, but I'd like to know, and science DOES attempt to answer that question.
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User avatar #189 to #188 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
>subjectivity
gravitational theory explains how and why gravity works.
User avatar #195 to #189 - pureenergyy (05/15/2013) [-]
I'm sorry but you're wrong. When you consider it, we have answered how but not why.

If you can give me one good reason why gravity works then please do. I hate being wrong xD
User avatar #196 to #195 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
we don't know. gravity is the least understood force in the universe
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User avatar #168 to #150 - pureenergyy (05/15/2013) [-]
The **** you think water comes from *****
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User avatar #177 to #170 - pureenergyy (05/15/2013) [-]
http://www.articlesbase.com/nature-articles/do-we-need-mountains-103124.html
User avatar #176 to #170 - pureenergyy (05/15/2013) [-]
Yes but if it wasn't for mountains it wouldn't be fresh by the time it hit the ground, Hence "why" it is there. My point is it has been questioned "why" so your argument is flawed.
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User avatar #193 to #185 - pureenergyy (05/15/2013) [-]
You know what. I agree. I guess I was getting confused at "how" and "why" are fairly similar questions and both essentially ask the same question but it's the conclusion of the question that differs like "how did this mountain make water?" or "why did this mountain make water?". Essentially you look at the same thing to answer it. But the how's would say this is how. But the why's would never truly answer their question because we don't know why. Sorry I was so quick to jump at that
User avatar #154 to #150 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
I didn't say it implicitly said they were contradictory. I said it was implied, and it is.
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User avatar #167 to #161 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
"Evolution VS Creationism"
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/versus

by definition, this implies that they are at odds.
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User avatar #178 to #172 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
you should read the wiki article, because every bit of that is completely wrong. creationism does NOT imply 'perfect' intelligent design. that's ridiculous.

" A god wouldn't create an imperfect world and use such a cruel method of darwinian selection."
You know how a hypothetical deity would create things? wow, that's crazy. /s
also, natural selection is not the only method of evolution.

"And second of all my chart compared the EVIDENCE of creation vs evolution, the two themself are not at odds, but the evidence is."
so now they AREN'T at odds, even though you JUST said that they are? get your **** straight.
if you're comparing the EVIDENCE, then change the title, because the title does not imply that.
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User avatar #184 to #181 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
you'd have to study theology to answer your first question.

"there is good reason to see why creation would make no sense with evolution."
theistic evolution is nothing more than "evolution is true, and God initiated it."
that makes perfect sense from a religious perspective, and it doesn't deny scientific evidence. you don't know what you're talking about.

"without natural selection evolution couldn't happen."
without ANY part of evolution, evolution couldn't happen. that's a completely moot point.

"Anyone who can read clearly sees i'm comparing the evidence, if you just base a picture on the title alone then you're just a retard."
now we're doing name calling? boy, this became childish quickly.
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User avatar #192 to #187 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
"if you can't answer me then i have no reason to take creation and evolution together serious."
I already told you that I'm not religious, so I have no authority to explain theology to you. I've already provided you the means to learn for yourself, yet you refuse to do so.
User avatar #190 to #187 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
"Theology is not a real subject"
boy you're edgy. you probably think Jesus was a fictional person too, huh?
theology: the systematic and rational study of concepts of God and its influences and of the nature of religious truths
that is a real subject, whether you like it or not.

except they CAN work together, as I've already shown you MULTIPLE times. I've never said they HAVE to work together, but you are lying when you say that they can't work together.

natural selection is not the only method of evolution. there are multiple mechanisms.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#Mechanisms
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User avatar #200 to #197 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
"concepts of God"
did you miss this part? theology doesn't require the presupposition that a deity exists.

"OFCOURSE THEY CAN WORK TOGTHER I JUST SAID SO IN MY PREVIOUS ******* COMMENTS."
did you? let's check.
"there is a good reason why you don't have to accept them together and why they can't work together."
>"they can't work together."
nope. you didn't.

no, they are separate mechanisms.
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User avatar #203 to #201 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
that's not out of context. you said that that it doesn't change the "FACT" that there is good reason they can't work together. you of course did not provide any evidence for this, but you did state that it was a fact. like, verbatim.

they all work together like cogs in a machine, that DOESN'T mean there's only one gear. they are separate mechanisms that require each other to work.
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User avatar #216 to #214 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
genetic drift only occurs when selection processes are minimal
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User avatar #219 to #205 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
"How the hell do you even think genetic drift can take place if the animal ******* dies?"
I never even said that. the **** are you talking about? an organism doesn't DIE if it doesn't have any form of selection mutation.

"Animals still have to survive for genetic drift to occur, it's more likely to happen with animals better adapted to nature therefor it's still dependant on natural selection."
lol no. that's not how natural selection works.
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User avatar #213 to #205 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
genetic drift exists regardless of neutral theory, and again, it is independent of natural selection.
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User avatar #211 to #205 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
I can't reply to your last comment so I'll do it here.

I'm beginning to think that you haven't studied evolution. just as an example, genetic drift acts independently from natural selection.

here is something you can read about
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_theory_of_molecular_evolution

so no, you are wrong.
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User avatar #206 to #205 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
natural selection is ONE mechanism that works alongside all the others. seriously, read the wiki article.
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#97 to #95 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
im sorry, but what the **** does a court have to do with anything scientific?
#104 to #97 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
Scopes v. Tennessee.
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User avatar #291 to #99 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
you blocked me? what you got your ass kicked too bad?

unblock me so I can see your comments, whitename....

go look back at all my comments
my 15 year old trolling days to now!
all you have done on this post is spread atheistic cancer...

***** , you gay
#122 to #99 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
the frustration that people are using the legal system to force science to reflect their ideals has left me at a loss for words
#125 to #122 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
just to clarify im angry at the guy who wasnt peer-reviewed not the actual scientists
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User avatar #75 - threadcreator (05/15/2013) [-]
Evolution is real. It has been proven.
Religion may be true. We have no proof.
User avatar #92 to #75 - guiguito (05/15/2013) [-]
pics or it din't happend
#89 to #75 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
i doubt you have substantial evidence to make that claim
evolution isn't "real" or proven, its just the best explanation for the diversity of modern day animals and the extinction of other animals.
User avatar #81 to #75 - colegaleener (05/15/2013) [-]
link plox
User avatar #86 to #81 - lolfire (05/15/2013) [-]
I know it's not technically a reliable source but this article on cracked is a good jumping point for proof that animals are evolving...

www.cracked.com/article_19213_7-animals-that-are-evolving-right-before-our-eyes.html
User avatar #74 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/15/2013) [-]
FJ has really started to piss me off with these "im bashing beiliefs huur durr" posts.....

to may of em
User avatar #269 to #74 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
past me, this guy is going to have a lot of notifications...
User avatar #227 to #74 - YllekNayr (05/15/2013) [-]
Too bad evolution isn't a belief.
User avatar #110 to #74 - aaadddmmmiiinnn (05/15/2013) [-]
the cool thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not
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User avatar #230 to #83 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
I mean disrespecting beliefs systems.

interesting thing about it is that I am a Christian and I can accept forms of natural selection.
I don't cosign with the million year stuff but natural selection seriously makes sense.
ive experienced firsthand with the toads in my neighborhood.
13 years ago, we had a few brown toads and a ton of thite or light toads. the landscape now has darker foliage and such and the white toads are disappearing.
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User avatar #235 to #231 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
Thats the thing with the millions of years. Its treated as fact but never has been observed.
Because it makes no sense to go from t rex to chicken even through a series of mutations.
But i could accept that some guy in the church a long time ago may have jacked up the numerical translations
Look up apologetics about dinosaurs and man.

My thing with the common anscestor theory is that GOD mad the fish to swim so they have some of the same features and same with birds

But i def. Appreciate you not saying gay(and ******** ) insults like the last guy to try to final comment me
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#240 to #236 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
You seriously throwing insults now ,man? What a dick!
But yeah look up your stuff. I guarantee i can tell you more about your beleif system than you can.

You seem upset by something
??
But a supporting argument for evidence of Christianity is that the bible(written years before we re born)
Says people are gonna get easily pissed at the mention of Christianity.
But seriously man...if you are gonna be as ******** as my closing anecdote, you shouldnt try to prove or support anything to me.

I bet you liek girls, fagget
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User avatar #244 to #241 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
I try to exain something to you and you insult me over the safety of your computer. Whatsyour home adress?
User avatar #243 to #241 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
And once someone insults .e over the net...i lose all respect for them ...not even enough to consider their argument
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User avatar #247 to #245 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
I came on here and expressed an opinion . Then you had to be a ****** ...
Ya dun goofed
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#251 to #249 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
Asked your adress because you must be hot 						****					 to insult someone behind the comfort of your computer. I seriously would like to know it.   
See how real you are.    
Im not threatenng.i wont go there..thats not smart...   
But if you have enough gall to call your self an &quot;intelectual&quot; and resort to insults, you must be about the world
Asked your adress because you must be hot **** to insult someone behind the comfort of your computer. I seriously would like to know it.
See how real you are.
Im not threatenng.i wont go there..thats not smart...
But if you have enough gall to call your self an "intelectual" and resort to insults, you must be about the world
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#246 to #245 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
Nah. You presented it in the contex that i was ignorant in general. But then again, maybe you didnt. But i can tell you its convos like this where a 						*********					 starts because i post an opinion and the you(opposing belief usually an athiest) immediately begins to talk about how &quot;inferior&quot; and &quot;flawed&quot; i am... then go the insults and repitition of stuff you have heard from the internet called &quot;debunkers&quot;    
Then its a big mess.   
Cant you guys just keep the aggression level at where it is?   
Im a southern, black, linebacker and i dont escelate crap like that...
Nah. You presented it in the contex that i was ignorant in general. But then again, maybe you didnt. But i can tell you its convos like this where a ********* starts because i post an opinion and the you(opposing belief usually an athiest) immediately begins to talk about how "inferior" and "flawed" i am... then go the insults and repitition of stuff you have heard from the internet called "debunkers"
Then its a big mess.
Cant you guys just keep the aggression level at where it is?
Im a southern, black, linebacker and i dont escelate crap like that...
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#250 to #248 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
You showed outdated evidence .....
My evidence is old yet universal.
Im an ib learner(not that it means **** )
But over the years i have learned to adress acounter argument.
So hm... im a Christian
My opponents are athiests ...
I will see what athiest believe in and why.
I will study evolution.
....
Seriously man... dont be a ****** .
Read the Bible or at least study it...
Then get back to me on how flawwwed i am ...
You cant tell someone they are wrong if you dont know what they are talking about...
I know what you are talking about... and like i said earlier...
The fact that you are trying soooo hard to pwn me reaaally supports my standpoints.
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User avatar #256 to #254 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
that makes no sense to say that I cant make an argument because I have studied something... that means you shouldn't be responding to me?
wouldn't you have nothing to prove?
wouldn't your theory be a law?
and the only reason I am dealing with you is because im entitled to spread my belief...
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User avatar #261 to #258 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
so what you are saying is that you were born knowing the ins and outs of evolution?

that's what it seems like...
I studied it because I didn't know what it stood for....
im pretty sure you haven't studied the Bible..
you seem to be just reiterating **** you have read on here...
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User avatar #277 to #270 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
that or you are scoping this baby riding a dinosaur I made in ms paint!
User avatar #276 to #270 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
for something that simple, you require detailed responses...
User avatar #275 to #270 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
you type alot
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User avatar #290 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
nah, im not going to thumb down everything, that's unsportmanlike
User avatar #289 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
you are living proof against evolution.


and time for the coup de gras!!!!

to thumb down everything !!!!!
User avatar #288 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
you were as close a storm trooper blasting a wamprat from a t65 skyhopper
User avatar #287 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
or how close episode 3 Anakin was to beating obiwan when he clearly had the highground!
#286 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
or the starting point of this intentional ********* thread that I caused in order to bring out an insecure atheist to the end point
User avatar #285 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
or my dick(which is pretty nice btw) to beyonce's vaggy
User avatar #284 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
or the validity of evolution on a large scale...
User avatar #283 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
or close like will smith's ears
User avatar #282 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
you were sooooooo close!

like gay guy's post gaycoitus butt-walls close
User avatar #281 to #279 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
don't give up!
I almost thought you knew what you were talking about when you began using big words..
that's one of the final stages of argumentative defeat....
big words...
im going to keep commenting on this because you have earned an ******** , internet-based assault!
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User avatar #280 to #278 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
it doesn't misrepresent it....
you are misrepresenting it...
the concepts reaaly simple , man...
you are acting like its your religion or some- wait it is!!!
User avatar #272 to #270 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
lol its like the goo
said da-me-nee-po-tu-la-pe ima grow some life today
User avatar #271 to #270 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
evolution is a change over time...

this is through mutatioins

evolution says:
spontaneous cells came from no where... and somehow survived millions of years without the tool for life to develop the tools for life (wuuut???)

then som slimy stuff.
then some plants then some moving plants then some bugs and stuff...so forth so on....
makes no sense...
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User avatar #274 to #273 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
well my quick spill on bugs and plants was wrong because I was giving a satirical summary......
and the abiogenisis is ******** . no way its happening.
yeah scientist have gotten some protiens but it should stop at that... because it does...

you should really work on your skills...its not a good look...
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User avatar #265 to #262 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
ive already refuted it...
and so what you still seem to be saying is that...you know nothing about evolution or (knew nothing ) so you studied it?
and I am wrong for studying it because I didn't know anything?
ellowell
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User avatar #268 to #266 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
you just changed the subject....
I said, I studied evolution and see no evidence for truth for millions of years from trex to chicken(hypothetically)
and then you got butthurt because I knew what the hell I was talking about because I studied it.....
then you said I was wrong for studying something I do not understand.....
then I said you were wrong as well if that's the case....stay on target....
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#255 to #252 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
your stuff is outdated because it ends in a spot with a what next statement.
evolution is a THEORY not a law.
it has been stuck in the same spot for years.

now with the Bible being a text-based thing, it is stuck in the same place, but it has never been proven wrong. and don't say we cant walk on water... because we seriously can not.
but Jesus(the Son of GOD) could..

{im on my computer now, so now I can use my gen. shang image!}
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User avatar #259 to #257 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
there is no tangible evidences of Jesus' miracles, you are 100% right but that's where the faith factor comes in.

and that's a load of garbage about theories not becoming laws....a theory is something that is testable.
since we are on fj...
it is a theory that if I am nice to a girl, she will like me
it is not a law...(might become one if we get lucky)
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User avatar #263 to #260 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
there we go with the insults again...

and faith is the basis of my ....faith...
how can you judge me for not accepting what you belive in yet I haven't even casted judgment upon you? and I have the most JUDGMENTAL religious system?
somethings warped here...
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User avatar #267 to #264 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
evolution is abelef system because you haven't any observable large scale evolution...
humans haven't gotten gills outside of the womb yet...

there are similar primates, fish, birds, etc.
but you haven't seen on become the other.
but I have seen the depletion of the white frogs in a dark environment..i haven't seen the white frogs change like that...and you never will.
you have a non evidencial(is that a word? it is today!!) system...
User avatar #242 to #241 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/16/2013) [-]
You did insult me.....
User avatar #136 to #71 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
We love you tomato.
User avatar #111 to #71 - aaadddmmmiiinnn (05/15/2013) [-]
I care.
User avatar #79 to #71 - duvallwhitey (05/15/2013) [-]
I care.
#70 - dubmaster (05/15/2013) [-]
Because believing in things that may or may not exist makes you scientifically illiterate.

Right?
right?
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#107 to #101 - dubmaster (05/15/2013) [-]
Neither did I. I'm making a statement that believing something without proof does not make you scientifically illiterate.
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#113 to #108 - dubmaster (05/15/2013) [-]
How?
User avatar #117 to #113 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
what.

"here's irrefutable proof that my lolipop is red"
"no, your lolipop is not red"
"well then you're ******* retarded"

same concept.
#133 to #117 - dubmaster (05/15/2013) [-]
That's not scientifically illiterate though.... It's ignorant, but it's not scientifically illiterate.

Scientifically illiterate means not able to read or write about science related ideas (more vaguely: not able to understand science). A person who denies something that has proof can still understand natural and theoretical sciences.
I visited fermilab and actually spoke to a man who didn't believe the top quark actually existed. He was not scientifically illiterate, but ignorant for ignoring the evidence that pointed to it.
User avatar #142 to #133 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
No your mixing illiterate as in not being able to read and write with scientifically illiterate which means being unable to follow scientific convention. By which I mean not presenting evidence or refuting evidence without cause.

and of course it can mean not writing equations properly but that is mainly for the wierdos who study physics.
#146 to #142 - dubmaster (05/15/2013) [-]
Ahhh. I had no idea scientifically illiterate had a different definition than it's parts. Thanks for the enlightenment!
User avatar #151 to #146 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
Education is the key!
User avatar #140 to #133 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
if you deny something that is observable, then you don't understand science. you ARE scientifically illiterate.
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User avatar #84 to #70 - colegaleener (05/15/2013) [-]
right.
User avatar #68 - lulurare (05/15/2013) [-]
Evolution is a joke
#66 - Stevethewizard (05/15/2013) [-]
...
Honestly, I don't know why I didn't expect a ********* in the comments.
He's not bashing religion, you ***** .
He's bashing those who go out of their way to deny something just because they didn't read about it in a book that's thousands of years old.
He's bashing closed-minded idiots who think their beliefs can't possibly coexist with anything scientifically backed.
He's bashing the kinds of idiots who claim that the earth is only 5000 years old, dinosaurs never existed, and we couldn't have come from monkeys because we still have monkeys.
Those are the idiots you're defending, not the rational religious people. He's not bashing people with any degree of sense.
He's bashing those with their heads so far up their own asses that they're picking corn out of their teeth. Those who say "Oh, this can't possibly be wrong. My Religion is the only thing out there that can possibly be right. It says so itself! And everything in here is supposed to be taken literally."
User avatar #226 to #66 - YllekNayr (05/15/2013) [-]
Thank you.
#145 to #66 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
But ********** are FUN! It's half the reason I stay here.
#115 to #66 - aaadddmmmiiinnn (05/15/2013) [-]
well put
well put
#76 to #66 - zorororonoa (05/15/2013) [-]
Well said
Well said
#64 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
i think bill nye should stop telling me how to raise a family
and how does not believing in evolution make someone not believe in everything scientific?
(and before anyone asks: yes, i believe in evolution, im just arguing how not believing in it doesn't makes someone scientifically illiterate)
User avatar #60 - thereoncewasaman (05/15/2013) [-]
Bill Nye the badass ************
#52 - joemand (05/15/2013) [-]
An ignorant statement supported by ignorant people is a breeding ground for stupidity.

I am a a dual major from Michigan State University in Accounting and Computer Science. By the way, my Computer Science major is an engineering degree. I have two prestigious restaurants and an online business. I have an incredible interest in Politics/Economics as I am subjected to many ridiculous tax laws. I would like to consider myself both a good and intelligent person.

With that being said, I am also a Catholic.

Therefore, I find Bill Nye's statement to be not only ignorant, but completely hypocritical. His statements that obviously allege religious people are essentially holding society back are incredible dismissive. Such a lack of character by Nye and those who support his claims.

P.S. I can bet my name that most people agreeing with Nye don't even understand the true concept of evolution. More than likely, most probably assume it as fact rather than understanding it to be theory. To blindly follow someone's idea's as facts is insane...lol the hypocrisy is laughable.
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#73 to #52 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
Boy, they let anybody into MSU these days. Good thing your majors weren't in Literacy or philosophy. To sonofsol and enkmastser, you both make very well stated points, science may be the closest one can get to fact, and is a tool provided to use only by what we can speculate, was responsible for our existence. However this post, if quoted correctly, states that children who are raised as creationists are illiterate voters/taxpayers and unable to make rational decisions or advance the journey of mankind to a greater understanding. Which in itself is a very inconsistent statement, seeing as our world today was built by creationist men/women. Not only has religion built our culture but influenced the beauty and wonders of music and art. I do agree that evolution may be an important concept, but not one that is relevant to economic, political, and technical education. All in all this entire post and all concepts of our creation/evolution are nothing but hypocrisy.
#62 to #52 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
doesn't the more blue your name mean the more time you spend on here? how do you manage with all those busy businesses to run?
User avatar #58 to #52 - smittywrbmnjnsn (05/15/2013) [-]
You're a ******* idiot.
You've proved the truth in this post by showing your scientific illiteracy.
A scientific theory...is as close as you can get to fact.
Gravity is a theory numb skull.
Not only that, but he stated that forcing your children to believe what you believe is wrong.
Meaning, sure, you can be whatever the **** your stupid little mind desires, but forcing your kid into it...is holding back society.
User avatar #57 to #52 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
I couldn't tell from your post if you were a creationist. That's the only thing Nye bashes in the post. Religion is never mentioned merely creationism. Which is as the man says completely inconstant with all observable data.

BTW everything in science is technically a theory because we can never have all the evidence and there is always a chance that data will emerge to counteract it. Evolution will always have gaps because there is nothing as miraculous as a complete geological record, and thus will always be a theory as a technicality but that doesn't stop it from being how life on earth probably happened.

All Nye calls for is that children be educated properly in science as having a literate population inevitably advances society and creationists have a bad habit of forcing bad science habits into the education system.
User avatar #56 to #52 - enkmaster (05/15/2013) [-]
A theory and a hypothesis are two completely different things.

A theory is something that all observations and studies support, yet we cant directly observe it to prove it as "fact". A theory, like evolution or the big bang, can be assumed to be correct until more information comes to shoot that theory down.

Were it the hypothesis of Evolution, then we could assume that it is either right or wrong, as a hypothesis is more or less an educated guess.

Everything we have observed supports Evolution as being correct, therefore it can be assumed to be so. Look at the Sun or the Stars. The "theory" of Stellar Evolution is "just a theory", yet everything we know supports it, so we must assume it to be fact.

"understanding it to be theory" is more or less understanding it to be fact, and someone not knowing this shows that they have little to no knowledge of the Scientific Method.



User avatar #51 - wernstrom (05/15/2013) [-]
Everyone below is a tard.

He's not bashing religious people, he's really only bashing the super religious people who deny science fact. Get over yourselves.
#44 - hirollin (05/15/2013) [-]
So what, just teach your kids nothing? Just forget about the history of your religion and the cultural impact it has on you? 						****					, this guy is such an 						*******					. Teach your kids this way or you're a terrible person and/or a bad parent. He is just as bad if not worse than religious 						********					 that I have seen. I can't imagine how many kids he has turned off to science because he implies that religion and science can't coexist.
So what, just teach your kids nothing? Just forget about the history of your religion and the cultural impact it has on you? **** , this guy is such an ******* . Teach your kids this way or you're a terrible person and/or a bad parent. He is just as bad if not worse than religious ******** that I have seen. I can't imagine how many kids he has turned off to science because he implies that religion and science can't coexist.
User avatar #78 to #44 - zorororonoa (05/15/2013) [-]
He is not saying that religion and science can't coexist. He is saying the the religious people with no sense, who blatantly disregard accepted theories just because their book doesn't say it happened. I am religious, but I also am very open minded to science and generally believe it as fact. Bill is Talking to the idiots who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
#46 to #44 - randomzdude (05/15/2013) [-]
there is a difference between teaching your kids something and neglecting the other side of things. Science and religion should be able to coexist but religious parents generally don't teach their kids about religion and then say "oh but that's only true if you think it is".
#43 - drewbridge (05/15/2013) [-]
"Yeah, I was raised Muslim/Jewish/Christian, why does it matter?"


"Well **** , according to this you're a full blown retard who can't put his pants on in the morning, you'll never vote , read or pay taxes because you're not allowed to have intelligence. Bill Nye PROVED that religious people can't be engineers. That's insane! Was your horse and buggy ride bumpy on the way over?


Yeah, because people with religions are just going around ************ dictionaries and burning down science labs in the name of Jesus.
#225 to #43 - YllekNayr (05/15/2013) [-]
Too bad that's not what he said at all. He never said "religious people" or even MENTIONED religion. You're just assuming that religious people and scientific ignorance go hand-in-hand.

Sometimes it does. But not always. He is decrying all people who are willfully ignorant of scientific principles, and the instructing of kids to be the same way. Doesn't matter the reason. So don't try and spin this into a "Bill Nye is anti-religion and I'm so oppressed" spiel. It's scientific understanding, not anti-religious.
User avatar #228 to #225 - drewbridge (05/16/2013) [-]
He was clearly not talking about allll those atheist families that don't agree with evolution and science.

And if this is a real quote, in a different video he said to not teach your kids creationism because it's bad for them, which is mildy anti-religious if you ask....just about anyone. Then says he's not attacking them. Bill Nye is extremely smart, but it's like saying "No offense, but you're a goddamn ******* ."

I don't consider being called dumb and what not to teach my kids oppression, I consider it people being asshats.
User avatar #229 to #228 - YllekNayr (05/16/2013) [-]
Your comment put words into his mouth that he never said. He wants children taught things that are factually true. If you want to teach them your theology since it's DEFINITELY the correct one, then teach it in addition to what is true.
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#106 to #43 - hailarty (05/15/2013) [-]
I think what he meant was:

1. It is harder for a truly religious person to be a good scientist in certain fields (because some research fields require to acknowledge that earth is older then 6000 years, and evolution's legitimacy ect ect.

2. Church is known to slower the progress of science, by stating official statements against stem cell researches, contraception researches in labs ect.ect. (In certain countries certain researches receive less funding from the government or event get banned because of churches positions)

So basically, the less religious people there are - the faster science can progress.
He just used wordy and not literal way to say that, because he is an entertainer after all, so he has to use different phrasing, do not take what he says literally.
User avatar #141 to #106 - drewbridge (05/15/2013) [-]
Many Christians believe the earth is over 6,000 years old. Young ones, too. Simply too much has happened and there is a large amount of amazing things that would take much longer than 6,000 years to accomplish.


If the church basically controls and dominates the country and all it's patrons, then yes, no kidding **** will not get done. (Parts of the middle east, poorer 3rd world countries stuck in the dark ages logic)
This does not happen in any successful 1st world country, because we're not savages that hang gays.
User avatar #132 to #106 - ragnarfag (05/15/2013) [-]
Everyone that knows a little bit about history recognizes that this picture is ******** .
#100 to #43 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
But I don't hate science....[small]I like it[small]
#96 to #43 - anonymous (05/15/2013) [-]
You act like they haven't before? and aren't today?
#77 to #43 - thatguywithabeard (05/15/2013) [-]
Not all religions. Buddhists just burn themselves.

Buddhism is my favorite religion...
#166 to #77 - drmcninja (05/15/2013) [-]
Look up the militant buddhists in southeast asia.
User avatar #61 to #43 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
Please quote the source material when making outlandish claims.
User avatar #123 to #61 - drewbridge (05/15/2013) [-]
I don't know if Bill Nye actually said that, but it's still nonsense.
User avatar #135 to #123 - sonsofsol (05/15/2013) [-]
No. its that nothing in the post correlates with what you said. He is, quite rightly bashing creationism not religion. Admittedly creationist can be engineers and taxpayers but being a creationist excludes you from being properly scientifically literate. Which means you cant be a scientifically literate voter.

He also never claims that you cant read as a creationist, only that you are unable to be properly scientifically literate.
User avatar #158 to #135 - drewbridge (05/15/2013) [-]
I misread "scientifically literate". I assumed when he said that we don't vote, he also included we don't read, since they are rather close.

You can be scientifically literate and a creationist. I believe in natural selection, and that the earth is millions and millions of years old.


It appears Bill Nye really hates people with religion, so I wouldn't be completely surprised if he did say we can't read, vote, or anything else because we're just that stupid.
#40 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
I understand what he's trying to get at, but I disagree. A person's view on how the universe came to be has no influence on whether or not they can learn to build a bridge. An atheist or a religious person with the same training would both build perfectly good structures.
User avatar #98 to #40 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
if you can't look at evidence and extrapolate properly, then you can't solve problems and therefore have no business in a scientific environment, even one such as engineering.
User avatar #103 to #98 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Even one that has almost nothing to do with evolutionary theory, such as medicine or archaeology? Knowledge and believe in evolutionary process is only necessary in fields that study evolution directly, such as evolutionary biology. It has no effect whatsoever on engineering. A person who believes a certain thing happened in the far distant past due to their religion would be just as capable at learning any technique necessary for progress.
User avatar #109 to #103 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
denying that evolution is real is incredibly asinine and displays one's lack of knowledge or willingness to learn.

evolution is an observable process, and by denying its existence, you should have no authority in a scientific field

by the way, evolution has a LOT to do with medicine. you cannot be a doctor or pharmacist without knowledge in evolutionary biology.
User avatar #121 to #109 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Im not arguing for a against the validity of evolution, let me just make that clear.

But I am saying that one can be successful in numerous scientific fields without it.

Evolution has little to do with human medicine. One can set a bone, perform surgery, synthesize medicines, and many other tasks without a belief in evolution.

Evolution is contained within science, but it is not the whole of science. Many, many fields have relatively little to do with the evolution of organisms.
User avatar #129 to #121 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
ALL of modern medicine is based on evolutionary biology. viruses, mutations, strains, etc. all stem from evolution.

you don't need evolution to build a bridge, no. BUT you have to have logical reasoning skills and intelligence, and if you deny something that can be OBSERVED, then that's evidence that you lack all of those necessary requirements.
User avatar #143 to #129 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Firstly, that is only one particular field of medical research. The vast majority, such as mending damage to the body, rely more on developing technical treatments than on studying how the human body and its various pathogens evolved.

Yes, you do have to have logical and reasoning skills, but only in regard to your particular field. If you build bridges, an evolutionary belief is meaningless in your job. A person's technical skill is far more important than their belief in a process, observable or not, that has little to do with most fields of study.
User avatar #147 to #143 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
logical reasoning skills are general, not specific. If you blatantly deny something that has evidence (which you can personally verify), then you have poor logical reasoning skills REGARDLESS of what your field is.
User avatar #153 to #147 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
But, what if said person who denies evolution has an excellent track record in their field? How would that then be possible?
User avatar #155 to #153 - coolcalx (05/15/2013) [-]
now we're playing the what-if game? I'm out
User avatar #165 to #155 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Okay, let me give an example from real life.

A doctor at my local hospital is obviously a man of faith, often offering to pray with patients before procedures. Although I never asked him, one can likely assume he is probably not a firm believer in evolution. Yet he is incredibly successful at his work and well respected by the community. Why is that so, if a belief in evolution is apparently needed.
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User avatar #93 to #87 - teamrocketninja ONLINE (05/15/2013) [-]
Im not arguing that. But acceptance of evolution only effects a very small number of scientific endeavors. Someone could easily build a skyscraper, be a doctor, an astronomer, or anything that doesnt directly involve studying the deep evolutionary past.
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