It's the main argument in tax law theory. It's the - #91797057 added by ludislavonac at You must specify a title.

#139 - therealsuperderpy

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(05/09/2013) [-]

MFW people think taxes are the governments way of stealing from them.

#217 to #139 - anon id: 5d5a83b3

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No no, not stealing...it's extortion.

Don't believe me? Then don't pay your taxes, see what happens.

#219 to #217 - therealsuperderpy

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Well if everyone stopped the nation would fall apart.

#224 to #219 - anon id: 02bc3d0c

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The income tax is straight up theft. Needs to be fixed.

#225 to #224 - therealsuperderpy

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I don't even know.
I'm not american.

#222 to #219 - anon id: 5d5a83b3

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it is extortion, that much is clear. whether or not the nation will fall apart and for what reasons remains unclear.

#200 to #139 - anon id: c4f6abdc

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I can sence lil' kids not knowing governement! Oh gosh... they're so many...

#182 to #139 - anon id: bd36fc57

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People don't see it as theft, but it's pretty ******* annoying when you get the **** taxed out of you and your government just pisses it away on useless crap. Now you probably live in the US, but as a Canadian, we have pretty high taxes, and this year the government "misplaced" 300 million dollars, canceled gas plants plans which left tax payers to foot an over a 500 million dollars bill, Canada constantly throws money at other countries, also we have a heavily abused welfare system, meanwhile nobody in our parliament wants to deal with improving our roads/highways, education, and healthcare,welfare system, etc.... I'd love taxes if they were spent to improve Canada, not for some crooked politicians summer home, or to be misplaced by the government.

#244 to #182 - pandain

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And this is the angriest canadian you'll see. EVER.

#169 to #139 - anon id: 06a97baf

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taxation is the government forcibly taking your money from you. I don't see how this isn't theft.

#199 to #169 - skarre

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******* libertarians...

#156 to #139 - kustomforce

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technically it's stealing.

you are forced to pay the government money and if you don't, men in blue suits with guns are coming to get you and throw you in jail.

#158 to #156 - unholyjebus

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We have those people in the UK and they're called Gypsies (not all Gypsies but some). What happens is that they are not entitled to any government benefits i.e health care. Of course this isn't possible due to the fact that there kids need education and our emergency services can't refuse to help if they call. These type of people are the one's stealing, stealing from the people.

#168 to #158 - ludislavonac

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Pikeys?

#186 to #168 - lasmamoe

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Dags

#193 to #186 - ludislavonac

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I fuken 'ate pikeys

#172 to #168 - unholyjebus

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Lawd above! Gippos me lover duck. Gawdon Bennet!

#159 to #156 - Kritarie

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yeah, my apartment manager steals from me every month man it's crazy

#163 to #159 - kustomforce

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That is just ridiculous. You aren't FORCED to rent an apartment, that's a voluntairy exchange. I can't believe you couldn't think of that yourself.

#247 to #163 - Kritarie

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You aren't FORCED to live in the US, taxes are like rent

#251 to #247 - kustomforce

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The diffirence there is that the appartement actually belongs to the owner, he inested time and money into having someone build it. The government however has no claim to the country at all. If i work for my money the goverment has no right to take the fruits of my labour from me by force.

Also i don't live in the US.

#157 to #156 - ludislavonac

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Not it's not stealing, because you get something in return - public services, however the effects of that return aren't immediately felt, that's why people consider taxes stealing

#170 to #157 - tomjoad

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Even if you get something in return, you're still being forced to do something which is wrong.

#162 to #157 - kustomforce

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what kind of ******** argument is that? taking someone's money by force isn't stealing when you "get something in return"? Of course it's stealing they take something from me BY FORCE which is by default stealing. And even then money often goes to places where i don't want it to go, not that it matters because even if it did go where i was going to sent my money anyway it's STILL theft.

#166 to #162 - ludislavonac

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It's the main argument in tax law theory. It's the "nature" of taxes that they are forced, however without them you wouldn't have any public services, that's why they are neccesary. And as I said, you don't get anything in return directly, but indirectly every person recieves benefits from the tax system. Think about it, without taxes you wouldn't have schools, parks, hospitals, army etc etc. The main reason why they are forced is that nobody would pay them if they were let's say donations.
Of course there are many standards taxes need to meet such as: they need to generate enough revenue to cover public expenses, they musn't have a regresive effect, cumulative effects, they need to be an equal burden for everyone etc.
I suggest that you read up on tax theory before sprouting ******** my friend

#174 to #166 - kustomforce

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I see that you still fail to refute my claim that taxation is theft. Instead i get a useless blob of text about why it's "important" for the government to steal money. But that's not really the point is it? That's an entirely different discussion.

Now let me make a suggestion "my friend", tell me why taking something that doesn't belong to you by force is not stealing.

#178 to #174 - ludislavonac

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Allright, since you give a stupid argument, I'll give you a stupid counter-argument. It's because the lawmakers legalised that kind of stealing with laws (so it isn't stealing anymore), we elected those law makers so that they may fulfill the will of the people. Satisfied now?

#187 to #178 - kustomforce

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The funny thing is i didn't even make an argument in the previous comment, all i did was remind you what we were talking about.

So no i'm not at all satisfied as you STILL manage not to respond to my claim. I'm also annoyed that you go around calling everybody that disagrees with you stupid yet you can't even stay on the damn subject.

#191 to #187 - ludislavonac

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All right, let me first define the term stealing - To take (the property of another) without right or permission. Source - google it.
You asked me to refute your claim that it's stealing, I did. So one more time it's not stealing since (via elections) we have given the governemnt permission to create taxes and take from us. Democracy 101

#198 to #191 - kustomforce

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Ah now we're going somewhere, took you long enough.

"To take (the property of another) without right or permission",

ok let's just rule out permission, let's just say they don't have mine. As for the right to steal my money, let's just go back the 1940's shall we. Hitler rose to power in this period DEMOCRATICLY elected and DEMOCRATICLY given the "right" to do horrible things. Just because he, by law, has the means to doesn't mean he has the right.

Now i think you must understand that there is a profound diffirence between RIGHTS and THE MEANS TO. Elected lawmakers have THE MEANS TO steal my money because of such laws, not the RIGHT.

#202 to #198 - ludislavonac

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Sir, welcome to democracy - It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. W. Churchill

#204 to #202 - kustomforce

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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery -W. Churchill

nice try, but no.

#171 to #166 - tomjoad

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We would still have schools, parks, hospitals, army etc without taxes. The only difference would be that the quality of service would be much higher and everything would be more efficient.

#176 to #171 - ludislavonac

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Explain me how? Who would finance that, a state with no income perhaps? Or would you like everything to be private so that only people who have they money to build a park can take a walk in it? Since the first states that existed, taxes have also existed, they can't go without each-other... God why am I arguing tax law theory with people who have absolutely no knowledge of taxes