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User avatar #29 - pepemex (05/09/2013) [-]
The one against adultery covers that
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#45 to #29 - teamrocketninja (05/09/2013) [-]
Beat me to it. Kudos.
Beat me to it. Kudos.
User avatar #30 to #29 - greyshirt (05/09/2013) [-]
I was under the impression that adultery just meant "Don't cheat on your spouse".
#52 to #30 - beren (05/09/2013) [-]
Matt. 5:27-28, "“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Yes, this is said by Jesus well after the 10 Commandments were given at Sinai, but they denote the meaning of the original commandment. This joke, meanwhile, denotes a very poor effort on behalf of someone to actually understand a book that is given far too little credit in modern society.
User avatar #32 to #30 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Nope, it's sex outside of marriage, which covers rape and just consensual sex between two unmarried adults.
#40 to #32 - pxthreezerothree (05/09/2013) [-]
also masturbation...
User avatar #41 to #40 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Not true, there are actually strictures in Leviticus on how to clean yourself and purify yourself after masturbation. It wasn't considered a sin, it just made you and whatever your cum lands on ceremonially unclean for a while.
#34 to #32 - theXsjados (05/09/2013) [-]
Doesn't cover spousal rape
User avatar #36 to #34 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Personally, I don't think that's really something that should be considered the same as rape. You wanna get revenge on your spouse for having sex with you (something that spouses are supposed to provide for each other as part of the marriage contract) then just get a divorce and take half their stuff.
#37 to #36 - theXsjados (05/09/2013) [-]
Spousal rape is a legitimate form of rape though. It's also part of spousal abuse cycles. Just because you are married doesn't mean you or your spouse has to spread their legs on command.
User avatar #38 to #37 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
No, but if someone is in a possessive marriage with someone who isn't gentile or respectful, the divorce thing still applies, and in this country (the USA, I don't know where you come from), divorces are dis-proportionally favorable towards the female regardless of circumstance, so really, it'd be a morally applicable punishment on its own for a man who's a scumbag.
User avatar #47 to #38 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
So, what you're saying is that losing some your **** is a fair punishment for emotional and physical abuse?
User avatar #53 to #47 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Oh? What do YOU think is a more fitting punishment than extreme financial difficulty that will require a significant drop in lifestyle?
User avatar #54 to #53 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
Oh gee, I don't know. For RAPE? Jail time maybe? Some ******* actual punishment? Instead of losing a ******* sofa?
Have you ever seen a marital rape? They can get just as nasty as "Emergency" rape. Just because you're married to someone doesn't mean that you OWE them anything. They can force you to do things that you don't want to do the same way ANYONE can.
User avatar #57 to #54 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
But I also think that nobody should have to force someone to have sex with them, period. It all depends on the type of person you're with. And like I said, if that person is the sort who bully you into it, end the marriage, take his **** . That's it. That's all you NEED to do and then some.
User avatar #56 to #54 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
You are kidding right? The basic required payment by law is half your assets, and half your salary for a time determined by the court, which can pretty much be extended indefinitely. The amount can also increase drastically due to several exploitable loopholes. And if you get a second job to try and make up the slack, they take half the money from that too. I had a friend who's wife cheated on him, left him, took the kids (she was a drunk and he was a responsible father with distinguished military service record who owned his own land) and he end up paying two thirds of his income for over ten years and when he got a second and third job to help make the payments to keep his land, the courts took money from those jobs too. His wife blew it all on booze and renovating her house at the expense of her kids. He ended up having to sell a good portion of his land to make payments on the other part, and he had to pay for his kid's food and school supplies as an additional expense, which was suppossed to already be covered by the additional sixth of his paycheck(s). Honestly, if you marry someone, and they turn out to be a shmuck, that sucks, and they should have to make restitutions. But I think the typical consequences of divorce MORE than make up for it. Having to work twice as hard for half of what you'd otherwise earn makes life difficult to the point of being almost unbearable. I think rape should classify extra-marital sex of a non-consensual nature and perpetrators should pay restitution, and repeat offenders should be castrated after enough convictions. But calling it rape when they're MARRIED, I think that's stretching it over the line a bit. I think people who are married have an obligation to provide emotional, financial, and physical support for one another. If you're denying sex to your husband on a regular basis, some of the fault, SOME, lies with you. I consider it a step below cheating in betraying the marital bed, and that extends to guys as well.
User avatar #58 to #56 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
Look, your friend's wife's situation is unfortunate, but I'm quite sure he didn't rape her, therefore, it's just regular divorce and quite irrelevant in a rape case. We're not debating the fareness of divorce cases. We're debating marital rape.
Okay, think of it this way. Imagine a big, burly, hairy "bear" (slang for a large gay man) shoved his piece inside of you (assuming you're a male). Multiple times. Held you down, forced you to endure it. Ripped and tore you apart. I won't get graphic, but I can guarantee you that wouldn't be happy with "half of his **** ".
Look, in my opinion, funnyjunk has a ridiculous view on rape. They view the small amount of false rape cases as a larger statistic than it is. I think women who cry rape when it hasn't taken place are horrible, awful people. But that is not an excuse to excuse women who have ACTUALLY been brutalized and raped.

I can't believe you say "some fault lies with you". If your wife denies you sex and you really don't like it, LEAVE HER. That is absolutely NO ******* EXCUSE TO RAPE HER. And shame on you for saying so. Imagine your mother being raped by a stepfather because "she wouldn't put out".

Seriously dude, **** you.
#59 to #58 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
I said SOME fault. Marriage like I said, is about supporting your spouse, just because you decide you'd rather enjoy the financial benefits without providing anything in return does not entitle you to do so. Most of the fault lies with the dickhead who'd force himself on a woman, but SOME level of fault applies in cases of "marital rape" with the wife not doing her duty as a wife. Same with some fault lying with a man who's wife cheats on him because he isn't bothering to try and satisfy her in the bedroom. Most of the fault would lie with her in that case, but SOME fault would lie with him too. I also think divorce would be a good way out, IF divorce in this country was fair at all, But like I said, divorce tends to favor women. Unless she broke a pre-marital agreement about cheating, then she'd STILL get half his stuff, even if he's the primary bread-winner and she hasn't contributed to the household financially. So that's not a very good option for the man, not saying that justifies forcing the woman to have sex with him. Why don't you get off your offended and indignant high-horse and take a look at the real world effects of the subject. **** you too, you arrogant asshole.
User avatar #60 to #59 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that "supporting" your spouse meant mandatory sex, whether she likes it or not. I didn't realize that this was the ******* biblical ages where you were forced to stay with the same woman and that you got power over her whether she wants it or not.
If she won't have sex with you, then something is ******* wrong. You need to either work it out together, or call it quits and find new partners. But never, EVER, EVER is that an excuse to RAPE her.

If losing "half" (right) of your income is justification enough to rape someone, I fear for your wife and your children. I am in NO WAY saying that what happened to your friend is right. I think it's extremely unfair, and in fact, I've had the same thing happen to family and I HATED every second. However, I don't use one bad experience as a ******* excuse to force myself upon others.

I ******* fear for your family.
User avatar #63 to #60 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
What the **** man, you're twisting my words around now to make me out to be some kind of monster! When did I ever say anything about a man having dominion over his wife or it being okay to force her to have sex with him? I think I made it pretty clear that duty and responsibility towards a spouse goes BOTH ways you arrogant jerkoff. Nor did I ever say that losing your income JUSTIFIES raping someone. Sequence of events you conceited ******* . And you ******* FEAR FOR MY FAMILY? **** you. You don't know a damn thing about me and the only bit you think you know comes from your wildly assumptive inferences that are LOOSELY based on a contextual subject that you are INTENTIONALLY, at this point, misinterpreting my opinion on. You just can't read between the lines or even notice specific wording can you? No, you just read it without analyzing it, and then use it to justify your negative opinion of me that you created from your first inaccurate inferences at the beginning of this conversation. You are the type of person who makes this world such a difficult one to convey ideas and opinions on. **** you kindly you arrogant prick.
User avatar #65 to #63 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
You essentially said "if a woman denies sex to her partner, it's perfectly ******* a-okay for him to force it on her."
Look kid, I don't know what your ******* deal is. You're defending marital rape. By saying "the responsibility lies with the woman", you are blatantly defending it. And by me, that's not ******* okay. You have obviously never known a rape victim and/or been raped for you to lay any blame on a legitimate victim of rape. That, or we have two TOTALLY different perspectives of rape.
Call me all the names you like, it's not going to solve a ******* thing.
I don't think I'm "underanalyzing", I think you should think **** out before you ******* type it if you mean something different than what you're conveying.

User avatar #67 to #65 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Or maybe you could reread what I said and not my word usage. I never said it's ok for a man to "rape" his wife if she denies him sex, not in any possible sense. I said that she's SUPPOSED to provide him with sex and vice-versa. It's called the marital debt. Just so you know, and barely give a **** about you knowing, I have known several rape victims and victims of molestation. Several of my relatives including immediate family members, and almost all of my closest female friends have experienced rape or molestation in form or another. I believe my views on suitable punishment for repeat offenders clearly demonstrates my disgust with sexual criminals. I never said " ' The responsibility lies with the woman.' " So DON'T ******* quote me on that that. I said SOME responsibility lies with the woman, while mentioning AND implying in several instances that the majority of responsibility lies with the man in cases of "marital rape". Also, you were the one who first used profanity and started using personal insults with intent to slander. I simply respond in kind. As I recall, you used the word " **** (ing)" two responses before I did, and then personally targeted me with what were obviously insults and not just genuine negative observations. You also were the first to use profanity DIRECTLY by signing off with "Seriously dude, **** you." at the end of comment #58.
User avatar #68 to #67 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Sorry, meant to say "Reread what I said AND my word usage." at the beginning of that paragraph. Didn't mean to put the word "not" in there.
User avatar #69 to #68 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
You have a very old definition of marriage. There is no "marital debt". There is husband, wife, and the bond they share. There is no "you owe me this because I married you. If your wife doesn't want to have sex, then you two need to work it out like two grown ass adults. If you're old enough to marry, you need to learn how to fix problems together. Rape is never something that should be a factor in marriage.
You indeed did say the responsibility lies with the woman. In fact, your quote is "Some of the responsibility lies with the woman." So don't bitch about that, because you said it, plain as day.
I hope you nor no one you love ever experiences marital rape. I think you'll gain a whole new perspective if it does. It's just as abhorrent, just as awful, and just as disgusting as any other form of rape, even more so in my eyes, because someone you're supposed to LOVE and TRUST has broken that bond because they found it fit.
But this argument is absolutely pointless. It's going to continue being pointless because you and I have TOTALLY different views. To continue to argue would be an absolute waste for both of us.
User avatar #81 to #69 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
In reply to comment #78:

I consider material compensation to be the acceptable punishment for first time offenders (excepting willful murder of the 1st degree with no outstanding circumstances, child molestation, and assault causing permanent injury). Subsequent punishment I believe should fit the crime. Castration for rapists and pedophiles on the second offense, execution on the third (as at that point you can tell they aren't readily viable for rehabilitation) punishments of a financial nature should always require financial compensation. And likewise for most other forms of crime. And your father was plagued by a, as you yourself put it, "whore". Which implies that she wasn't faithful, which breaks the marriage contract, most pre-nups, and even a few local laws. And most courts will rule in favor of the father if the woman was unfaithful and it can be conclusively proven in court. Or if each spouse has a provable lifestyle condition that would make them the better caretaker for the children if there are any. All I can say is that you got extremely lucky as my friend, my new stepfather, my former best friend's father, and almost all of my uncles have suffered the same way in divorce proceedings. And if you'll notice, I never defined psychological trauma, I listed a few known examples of what is medically considered physical trauma (anyone aware of these can easily define it) but I never offered a definition of psychological trauma for the very reason that it is extremely difficult to define, especially for someone not in the field of psychology (despite maintaining a keen, yet amateur interest in it) or psychiatric care.
User avatar #84 to #81 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
In reply to comment #82

Excuse me? I don't believe I've been in an argument with such an illogical, overly emotional hot-head who twist the words of others in his/her own mind to maintain some over-inflated sense of moral superiority that is so arrogantly misplaced that it literally makes me sneer in derision. Also, saying that you hope I get raped because you think it will make me see things from your viewpoint, is as ****** up and selfish as almost anything I've ever heard. You are a pathetic, selfish person who likes to perceive themselves in a much better light than reality and logic would permit. I honestly don't have any hope of you seeing things from my perspective. In my experience, people as pig-headed as you don't see things through any perspective except one they can directly relate to their own. I'm so fed up with your ******** that I'm going to log-off for the night, and try to get some sleep in this hot as **** apartment. Goodnight you insolently arrogant tossgobbler.
User avatar #82 to #81 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
Nice to know that YOU get to decide what's an acceptable crime worthy of jail time VS material compensation. I would love to see you be raped and emotionally victimized and then be happy with material compensation.
******* forget this **** . Keep replying if you'd like. I believe I'm done for the night. I don't believe I've been in an argument with such a stamina-full idiot before.
User avatar #74 to #69 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
In response to comment #72:

No where! Which is what I've been trying to tell you! I never said that it acceptable to force a woman to have sex with you! I'm saying she SHOULD if she's your wife, not that she HAS to, you thickheaded twat!
User avatar #77 to #74 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
Also in reply to comment #75:

By the way, you are NOT a 3rd party. You are the 2nd party from my perspective and the 1st party from your own. Either way, you're an involved party and thus cannot claim impartial 3rd party status.
User avatar #76 to #74 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
In reply to comment #75:

I DID mean what I said with my word usage. I used proper grammar and syntax as well as word usage. It's YOUR fault for taking things out of their denotative context and applying your own definitions to what I said. It's one of the most irritating thing about arguing with people on this site is that none of you seem to think about what I'm saying beyond your initial impression. READ CAREFULLY each sentence and don't apply emotional context based on your own perception.
User avatar #75 to #74 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
You sure have a strange way of wording that, friend. Coming from a 3rd party perspective, if you truly don't mean how you word things, you word it in a way that says that you do.
User avatar #73 to #69 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
I agree that the best way to resolve marital conflict is through discussion, but we have been talking from a legal standpoint since the beginning of this. I simply disagree with you on ONE thing, and that's the legal classification used for "marital rape", since classification also implies punishment. As I said, I think it's more than handled under the law by the way divorce works in this country and most other first world countries. Therefore I don't think it needs to be anything specifically classifying it as the basic alloted incomes from a non-circumstantial divorce would provide adequate compensation in most cases, and if the woman can prove violent physical trauma (bruises, contusions, concussions, broken bones or sprained ligaments, or intense psychological trauma that would accompany such a scenario) then the woman would already get additional recompense, enough to beggar the bastard for life. A punishment far worse than jail time I assure you.
User avatar #78 to #73 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
I don't know there, I was never referring to divorce. I was referring to rape at the hands of a husband. I don't know a single woman that has suffered rape by the hands of her husband and gone "oh well, I'll just divorce him and it'll be okay because I'll get STUFF! YAY!". And if material compensation is enough for you, then wow.
My father went through divorce. While yes, he somewhat suffers financially at the hands of a whore, he is in no way, shape, or form a beggar bastard. We still do well for ourselves because the justice system recognized her fault as well. What happened to your friend is extremely unfortunate, but if he has become a beggar, he was probably poor to begin with.
Who are you to define psychological trauma? And who are you to say what is "enough" to compensate it?
User avatar #71 to #69 - arrisarrad (05/09/2013) [-]
How you can continue to maintain your illogical perception of what I've been saying even after directly quoting me is infuriating. SOME of the responsibility. Any situation that involves breaking some aspect of marriage is almost never entirely one person's fault. In fact, very rarely is that the case with most people. Saying some responsibility lies with the woman doesn't imply a majority of the responsibility or even a significant amount. And I have NEVER said rape is acceptable, nor is it a fair aspect of marriage. Again, you aren't even supplying rebuttals to what I've said, but to your inaccurate construed mental image of what I'm saying that you keep on perpetrating to maintain your irrevocable moral highground, or at least that's the best I can assume, since I see no other way your internal logic would lead to to KEEP misinterpreting me. Also, that quote, when put into context, only reinforces the apparent and inherent concept that the majority of the fault lies with the man perpetrating the involuntary sex act. And for your information, members of my family have experienced involuntary sexual acts with a spouse, as a child I witnessed my father do many cruel and unspeakable things to my mother and it is from that that I deceloped a strong moral sense of justice and fair play. Also, calling my idea of marriage old fashione dis simply ridiculous since it closely resembles yours. The "marriage-debt" is simply the terminology used to represent the idea that spouses are supposed to have sex with each other. The terminology simply hasn't changed. The idea actually came about in the middle ages to prevent men from marrying women for a claim and then not providing an heir of her blood. Typically it was invoked by WOMEN to get a man to have sex with them after the initial consummation. You're so blinded by your pre-concieved notions of what you think I'm trying to say that you aren't objectively analyzing each individual message.
User avatar #72 to #71 - thecharliesheen ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
Hmm.. No where in the marriage contract does it say "P.S. ladies, sex is mandatory. If you don't give it up, then he gets it anyways.".
You know, it's funny. For someone who had a sexually abuse father, you sure have a lose perspective or marital rape. I am indeed not misquoting you, but directly interpreting what you have been saying. If that's not what you mean, then perhaps you should indeed take more care in wording your message.
This is not the middle ages, friend. In the middle ages, people were drowned for witchcraft and people were property. Times ******* change. Marriage is no longer about property, but about love and bond. If you truly have a loving bond with your partner, sex should never be a rape issue.
Keep accusing me of misinterpreting your words. You keep reiterating your point with each new point.
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