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User avatar #8 - simplescience
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(05/06/2013) [-]
(Note: This comment does not support the WBC nor Slayer. It is merely an observation of recent comments and content. Yes I realize the possibility of actual violence on the level implied is probably minimal/just joking)

It's interesting how people automatically assume all Slayer fans without exception are these tough, and completely ripped people that cut Slayer's name into their heads, and that all WBC people are these wimpy idiots that have nothing better to do.

This picture is only showing one side of the story. Just because people enjoy slayer does not mean they are all bloodlusting beserkers who lose it at the sight of someone dissing their band.

If Slayer fans were smart, they would let the WBC picket the funeral without incident, and hear me out before you drown me in hate.

Slayer and its fans are already given the stereotype of being like some spawn of Satan (and yes, I realize some fans are proud of that), and Christianity has far more members and reach than Slayer fans do. By inciting violence on the picketers, Slayer fans would be giving themselves an even worse image, and we'd never hear the news shut up about how the fans are the worst people in all of existence.

If Slayer fans really want to make an impression, then let the WBC picket. Show all who watch that the real demons are not those that listen to a certain music mourning the loss of one they held high, and are instead the people whose views are losing merit with each passing day, and picket the death of innocent people.

Show the world that the fans are not the ones starting a fight, are not the ones presenting misguided and downright hateful views to those they disagree with, and are not the ones that need to use bully tactics to get what they want. Slayer fans are better than that, but the WBC is not.

TL;DR Slayer should allow WBC to picket without incident. It will show the maturity of the fans, and the stupidity of long obsolete views from the WBC.
#50 to #8 - anon
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Ooooooor... The Slayer fans can kill them all and the problem will be solved (:
User avatar #17 to #8 - beastpwnrlol
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>implying slayer fans care about what people think about them
>implying Christians would care if the WBC were slaughtered
>implying metal does not make you want to do crazy ****
>implying that even slayer fans do not beat the **** out of eachother until near death for the fun of the music
>implying the smaller faction of slayer fans are the crazy ones
>implying all slayer fans are good hearted people who would never wish violence on another person

you have to realize some stereotypes are ACTUALLY true. it might be true that not all of them worship satan, but many of them are violent and would get extremely violent if someone were to mock their idol
User avatar #28 to #17 - simplescience
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Responding to you in your own manner, in order:
>Implying you didn't read my comment fully.
>Implying that America is not 80% christian and doesn't lose their **** when any group of people gets beaten up / killed, especially Christian groups.
>Implying that, once again, you did not read my comment fully nor understand the perspective I was taking.
>Implying that you believe I was referring to all Slayer fans.
>Implying that the larger faction of Slayer fans are crazy, which gives merit to my point in the first place about their view in society.
>Implying that, once again, you didn't understand the perspective I was coming from.

And one of my own:

>Implying that only Slayer fans would get violent if their idol was mocked.

My perspective was not my own, which you didn't seem to pick up on based on your implied list. I made this from the standpoint of the mainstream media, who loves to blow things out of proportion and further stereotypes, even though they are often times out of touch with reality and the truth of a matter. Case in point: Video games, feminism, guns, popularity trends.

I also stated that some fans are proud of being called all sorts of names others would consider not as flattering, which you apparently missed/ignored.

Outside of picketing and chanting like morons with their obsolete ideas, how effective and threatening is WBC? Pretty much not at all, Granted, many people would probably think they deserve it, but if you've noticed, in America at least, religion loves to play the victim to get support (which often works), and this would be just the fuel WBC would need. "We were protesting before we were violently attacked by this gang of bloodthirsty demons just for expressing our opinion".

WBC is like the tattletale in a classroom. They instigate and hope you hit back, because then they have something to report to the higher-ups.
#62 to #28 - theasguard
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Okay clearly you are one of those dumb as people that believe everyone should care what others think of them and go around assuming everyone is. Guess what, just because a so called 80 percent (not even close to a real estimate) of Americans are so called christian doesn't mean anything. If Slayer fans killed all the WBC people you know what would happen to the news, 2 days reporting random facts then it goes away just like every other mass killing. America covers murders with other news so fast people one give a damn after a few weeks.

Finally on to my other point, plenty of us out there don't give a single **** what others think about us, who gives a flying **** if people think a stereotype is true, guess what, most people do at some level anyways. This all leads up to one thing, if Slayer fans beat up/ kill anyone at all nothing at all would change about the community in any way shape or form, just a few more people in prison, the end.
#69 to #62 - simplescience
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I am actually not someone who imposes my beliefs on others and believes all others should do what I say. If you don't believe me, you're free to check out my comments where I do spark debates. I often state that I do this for the sake of discussion and debate. I do this for fun and to inspire people to think, but if you want to believe you know what I am better than I do, then be my guest.

Furthermore, 80% actually is a close estimate (tinyurl.com/c54oen).

Let me ask you, do you remember Trayvon Martin? His death was publicized for weeks. He wasn't doing anything wrong, and his death was publicized for weeks. The boston bombings have just now dwindled down, and you honestly can sit there and say it would only get two days of reporting? After the recent events we've been enduring, you honestly think something like a mass murder would get that little attention. It must be fun living in your world.

I could continue to point out how single-minded and close-minded your comment is, but I'm betting all I'd get for my efforts is more name-calling. I'm betting I could show you all sorts of statistics and articles to back myself up, and all you'd do is whine at me, because that's all you've done.

I point out that I did not make the implications you stated, or that they were misconstrued, and instead of actually considering what I said, all you did was whine about how slayer fans don't give two ***** even though I pointed out in my first comment that I knew already.

Did you actually read what I said, or did you just see the parts you disagreed with and decided to rage at me because I dared to give an opposing opinion about Slayer (even though I was just taking on a Devil's Advocate position)?

Here, I'll say it one more time. Pay close attention this time:

I am not insulting Slayer, nor am I protecting WBC. All I am doing is presenting another viewpoint for the purpose of invoking thought. Nothing more.
User avatar #23 to #17 - iizsimon
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I'd go over there with my big ass stereo and blast the **** out of wbc
User avatar #22 to #17 - imthepunkkid
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Hardcore metal fans will beat the **** out of each other (As friends) To see who can take the most
User avatar #72 to #22 - simplescience
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I actually have a friend like that on my campus, so I know what hardcore metal fans are capable of.

I wanted to apologize for sending the wrong message with my comment. I meant to spark debate about how violence against the WBC wouldn't make them any better than the WBC itself, but I worded my comment in such a sucky manner, I came off as some pushy asshole preacher.

That being said, I want to apologize for sending the wrong message. Call me names and such, but I believe it's only fair that I explain myself.
User avatar #73 to #72 - imthepunkkid
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I got the message just fine actually i just wanted in on the convorsation
User avatar #24 to #22 - beastpwnrlol
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exactly my point... what do you think they will do to people they actually DISLIKE?
User avatar #71 to #24 - simplescience
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I would like to make it clear that my original comment was meant to show a completely different point that the one I actually did make.

I meant to show, as part of a devil's advocate position, that inciting violence wouldn't make the fans any better than the WBC that is so quick to be condemned. I do this often, just for the enjoyment of debate, and I ****** up massively.

Instead I sounded like an asshole preacher, and a rather pushy one at that. My apologies for sending the wrong message and implication. I know for the future to not write long winded comments after doing bad on an exam.
User avatar #25 to #24 - imthepunkkid
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User avatar #26 to #25 - beastpwnrlol
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my point exactly man
#13 to #8 - anon
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its not that all the slayer fans will be crazy hardcore ************. Most of them are probably nice people who simply like the music. But when you have the wbc people start to try to intervene its going to be the crazy hardcore fans who jump out and take more drastic and violent measures then anyone else would.
User avatar #11 to #8 - dharkmoswen
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Actually knowing a lot of hardcore fans and being one myself, they'll probably just do a wall like has happened most WBC attempted pickets. SOME fans may end up being violent though...
User avatar #10 to #8 - toughactintinactin
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Do you really think any decent Christian is going to get angry over the WBC being attacked? All the Christians i know will deny flat out that WBC is even Christian. People hate WBC way more than Slayer fans, even other members of their faith.
User avatar #70 to #10 - simplescience
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I highly doubt any decent Christian even recognizes or cares about WBC, but there are probably enough hardcore believers out there that would make it a bigger stink than it should be.

Am I saying that WBC has lots of supporters, of course ******* not. What I am saying is that the few who don't totally hate them could take an act of violence and blow it out of proportion.

My thumbs down count means that I horribly worded my original comment or I was just plain stupid. I probably shouldn't have tried to start a debate after getting my ass handed to me by an exam.

I tried to start a bit of a debate on the topic, but man. Did I **** it up big time. Rereading that, I wasn't as fair as I should have been. My apologies. My long-winded comments like these are not usually this jam-packed with suck.