'Murica.. .. >Hospitals cannot reject anyone, if someone is in need of medical attention they have to be taken care of, regardless of whether or not they have insurance.  'Murica >Hospitals cannot reject anyone if someone is in need of medical attention they have to be taken care regardless whether or not insurance
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#30 - studbeefpile
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>Hospitals cannot reject anyone, if someone is in need of medical attention they have to be taken care of, regardless of whether or not they have insurance. However, if you don't have health insurance you have to pay for the cost of the medical work.
#45 to #30 - anon id: 9473d1c6
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cancer. lol.
#49 to #30 - anon id: f89e02e8
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only emergency medical care.
User avatar #96 to #30 - ericzxvc
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Yes but people choose not to go to the hospital because they can't afford it, and if their problem is long-term and they aren't in critical condition the hospital doesn't have to treat them and they can't get the procedure that would save their life down the road. Thousands of people in America die every year from not having healthcare, it is not a good system.
#108 to #30 - anon id: c942c3e9
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That's not true, they only have to stabilize you to the point where you wont immediately die and can seek medical attention elsewhere.
User avatar #122 to #30 - metalmind
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Only if you have a serious, dangerous condition. Otherwise they don't have to.
America is seriously backwards that way.
User avatar #57 to #30 - Kairyuka
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It's a great system where you as a person has the choice between dying instantly or living a life of great debt and economical imbalance. A good way to kill off the poor quickly.
User avatar #61 to #57 - SteyrAUG
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Because hospitals are unreasonable in allowing people to pay off their debts, and more to the point, act like the mob when you don't. Exactly.
#86 to #57 - foxranger
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Ever heard of social security and welfare??
#62 - demontotoro
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I don't get it?
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User avatar #83 to #71 - defeats
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Everything is free for under 18s, everything. Adults who want do pay for braces though. If they need them then it is a different thing, which can cause problems for people.
I am an adult with them and pay the full price, I did decide to have them done privately, but the NHS wouldn't have covered them anyway. My teeth were bad, but not severe.
I have them now because I didn't want them when I was younger, big mistake.

The problem with the NHS is that the Tories are in office.
#90 to #83 - unholyjebus
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When almost every single Nurse working for the NHS are saying that you're ******* it up, you know that you done ****** up.
#66 to #62 - ninjamyles **User deleted account**
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it's not flawless, but it works.
#64 - hystericalparoxysm
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User avatar #76 to #64 - cousin
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Listen to The State Of The End Of The Millenium Address by Bad Religion.
#85 - foxranger
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...completely false but sense its "hurr durr **** america" most people thumb it up. Way to go op!
User avatar #120 to #85 - finni
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Explain how it's false, please
#145 to #120 - foxranger
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I'm an EMT and work for an ambulance company. We drag people to the hospital all the time that do not have insurance and they are always accepted. It is against the law for a hospital or a doctor to turn away someone who needs medical treatment. Doctors take an oath and are expected to follow it. Will it cost money? Yes. Could you go into debt? Yes, but you will receive treatment.
User avatar #136 to #120 - mookiez
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You can have a debt and up for doctor visits or er visits. But I think it means you can't get expensive stuff done, such as surgery's and other really expensive stuff. I don't have insurance right now but I can pay $300 to see her or just have it billed against me. Then I will never pay it then I will never be able to see her if need be because I didn't pay my debts. But they will take er visits such as broken legs, heart attacks, etc. So in a way this content is half false and half true.
#146 to #136 - foxranger
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You can get the surgeries done but only certain hospitals do it and work out a plan to bill you after the surgery is done. People who can afford it take priority, which is wrong imo but the wealthier in other countries tend to take priority as well. It's complicated and annoying but you can still get the treatment if you dont have the money.
#105 to #85 - zielscheibe
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I like that pic.   , and agree with you    
   
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#6 - anon id: e3518268
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that because having a proper trial is a right and healthcare is a privilege
#7 to #6 - thraza
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*ahem*
*ahem*
#8 to #7 - winglit
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population of canada 34,482,779
population of California 38,041,430
your country has a smaller population than one of our states...
User avatar #14 to #8 - chucknorrisTHEGAME
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And we've got some of the highest taxes in the world.
#15 to #14 - winglit
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Canada? well supporting the health of everyone in your nation as well as military, road repair, government employees like DMV, emergency services police, fire department... Lot of things that need money, imagine if Americans had to pay for the well being of 313 Million people... a country with an unemployment rate of 7.6 as of last January... Thats a lot of people who need doctors, many of whom dont have living conditions which would prevent sickness, lower class gets sicker more often... some people even willing to make up an illness to get off the streets for a day and get some food in their stomach... Im not saying we shouldnt help the sick, Im saying it would tear apart the middleclass and upperclass citizens of our great nation to cover for every human being in it who has a tickle in their throat and the size of this country the importance of its economic and military power, you can be a liberal scumweasle if you like but one thing you cant deny is that our military has done some real good in its short history, sometimes civilians die, sometimes were wrong... but we try to make the world better by eliminating genocidal maniacs, and if we try to force everyone in our country to donate money to help the sick FORCING charity... is that kindness? is that fair? Is it right?... To take money from another mans pocket no matter the cause against his will
User avatar #20 to #15 - thraza
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well its not like forcing charity because they get something in return. and sure it may feel like forced charity. but would you rather pay high taxes and never have to worry about a bill from the hospital. or would you rather pay low taxes and pay an insurance company which will try to weasel its way out of your agreement with them on technicality's and will give up on you when you struggle to make payments.
#21 to #20 - winglit
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The latter! because I have a plan which works well I pay a 20 dollar copay fee, insurance covers my basic needs, Ive had big medical bills before, and I wouldnt want anyone but my own family being forced to pay for them!
User avatar #22 to #21 - thraza
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true but with a universal healthcare plan im covered for most things (you still have to pay for pills but they way cheaper here) and its much easier to manage and as i said earlier some insurance company may weasel out of agreement's leaving family's to take loans. in my perspective i would rather a system that was more reliable and one that the people could have more control over
#23 to #22 - winglit
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Again I point out that your country doesnt have a population equal to half that of our nation... yet you think that the same exact plan would work for a country of 313 MILLION people? You are Americas hat, you have a nice little society up there and it works well for your people, but guess what? 313 MILLION is a big ******* number, we have a rather high unemployment rate, we have a lot more that our government is forced to pay for in expenses and you want to add more taxes to what is essentially the country that acts as the UNs battering ram? do you want the world economy to collapse or do you really live in a fantasy world where muffins and cupcakes fall from the ****** sky to feed all the homeless in the world? because if you do live in such a place PLEASE give me directions id love to see it your not qualified as a Canadian to talk about implementing Nationalized healthcare in America, stick to your own countries politics or at the very least recognize why there are differences between the 2 ok?
User avatar #25 to #23 - thraza
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its just a matter of bringing it to the larger scale and im not saying this need's to be done right away small changes like cheaper prescriptions and universal health care in the states that would benefit it the most. healthcare in canada originated in Alberta and Saskatoon provinces with a significantly smaller population than most other provinces. when healthcare originated there was little or no opposition and they let it become a national thing and it worked out perfectly for us. universal healthcare isn't one big jump the country trying to make it a part of the country can stop at any point in this change and decide that either the system isn't working for them or stick with the current progress made and decide that is the extent of their free healthcare system
#27 to #25 - winglit
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It isnt right, no matter your justification, no matter the cause, to force another human being to surrender their money, if they dont want to pay for someone else they shouldnt be forced to
User avatar #28 to #27 - thraza
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if it is morally incorrect to make another human being to surrender their money then what are taxes? after all not evey one agrees with certain taxes so should people be allowed to ignore taxes that they do not benefit from?
#29 to #28 - winglit
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there are certain evils which are required, I advocate for more sin taxes and a flat tax, but I heavily disagree with forced charity
User avatar #32 to #29 - thraza
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and universal healthcare is just a tax. you pay money and eveyone who is a citizen living in the country see some kind of benefit to. some will pay more than the mony they cost to the system and some will pay less. the problem is you dont know weather you are going to be the person who pays more than their worth to the sytem or the opposite. that how tax's work. for example your taxes go to pay the maintenance of the roads but you may not drive very often so you end up paying more than your burden on the system. the reason for this one person pays more and one person pays less is that in other ways you are burdens to the system. another exsample is my father who is suffering from many illnesses at once. before he was sick he brought more to the system that he took out. if you ever want to understand universal healthcare stop seeing it as charity but rather as an investment. you may loose on your investment or you may gain on it. but with universal healthcare every one has to chip in something to ensure it works. also the healthcare system can be split up to individual states and can be done in different ways. a system i think you might agree on is one that uses government bargening power combined with tax's to lower the cost of medication since almost every one buys some form of medical drug during their life time.
User avatar #154 to #29 - douthit
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Isn't every tax just forced charity?
#82 to #23 - anon id: 65b765e0
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You're argument is that expenses of universal healthcare in the US would be a lot higher than in Canada, since there are 8,23 times more citizens in the former. But there are roughly 8,23 time more people paying taxes as well. Now you might argue that the US unemployment rate is higher, and thus there are less people supporting the population. But as a matter of fact, the US unemployment rate is only marginally higher, at 7,6 compared to 7,4. Furthermore, the reason that the US unemployment rate is so high, is that the percentage of your taxes that go to warfare are the highest in the world, and hence doesn't stimulate the economy in the same way as it would if the money were to go to, say, doctors.
User avatar #70 to #15 - chucknorrisTHEGAME
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That was actually my entire point! Sorry if that didn't come across, I'm certainly not happy about paying some of the highest taxes in the world.
#115 to #8 - anon id: 52e0a6b5
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This is why poor people in the U.S. need to die. They are useless and just use up everyone else's money from healthcare and welfare.. Once they die, no more job shortages and no more high taxes because of welfare..
User avatar #24 to #8 - thraza
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and its just a matter of bringing it to a much larger scale and testing to see if it works on a larger scale.
#26 to #24 - winglit
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ITS BEEN TRIED BEFORE JESUS ******* CHRIST MAN! not only is it against the very constitution of our nation, to force a man to buy a product, its not morally right to demand someone pay for another mans medical bills you wouldnt make me buy you a car!? why should I be FORCED to give to charity, if I didnt get drained of money by force to pay for charities I dont agree with, Id give a hell of a lot more than I do to charity! AND IM A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES, I have given everything MY LIFE, MY TIME, MY FREEDOM, any chance at having a family to defend this nation, to keep it safe, and secure, and to help others, I work with the Emergency services branch Im one of the guys who shows up at natural disasters to help injured and displaced people, IVE GIVEN MY DUES and I dont think its ******* right to demand any man or woman GIVE to charity, thats why its called GIVING... this isnt a question of helping others its down theft, its stealing from one man to make sure another one lives, no matter how just the cause you cant steal, this isnt the story of robinhood, its that of a country
#77 to #26 - Killerwale
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also comparing our country's population with one of your states is ****** up, it's not our fault most of the country is a barren waste land of swamps and forest and the fact we're in winter for about 3/4 of the year, while you Americans can enjoy a some what stable and easily develop-able land while we struggle to even build and maintain our roads because of the hardships of living more north than anyone would like, also if you look at it, most of us live extremely near the borders of both our countries, you don't see the middle of Canada with much of a population, I don't know where I'm going with this, just seeing a population comparison and a argument about a system of health seems **** up for me, it's not about the number of people, it's about what works, and how the country's people look upon it. hate me if you want, I'll still be here
#73 to #26 - Killerwale
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just sit back, and think over your morals meng, I agree with this, you got some ****** up morals, *raises both hands* that's just my opinion
#60 to #6 - anon id: 340ee4ae
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Thats because.. no. Stop trying to cover up your ****** country with bad excuses.
#63 to #6 - anon id: 68807564
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Staying alive when getting sick or hurt is a privilege?

lol

People actually believe that and say it to justify their ********?
#81 to #6 - draxdiesel
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are you serious? i can't tell if you're joking or not. healthcare is a privelege? are you from the 16th century?
User avatar #31 to #6 - rhc
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I gotta say, it is strange getting educated by the brainwashed citizens of a completely cut-off country.
#87 - kraetyz
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If you can't afford a doctor, there's public health care, *******.
#111 to #87 - anon id: c942c3e9
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My mom went there one time. She works 6 days a week two weeks out of the month and 7 days a week the other two weeks. 7 hours a day. Wanna take a shot at how long she had to wait there to be seen? 28 hours. That's an entire day of work, ~$60
#88 to #87 - kraetyz
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And yes, even in the US. Don't give me your ********.
#94 to #88 - morkotlap
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They will treat only emergencies, if you are not insured.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninsured_in_the_United_States
User avatar #34 - onemoreaddictingam
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I'm going to assume you're not from America, because in America hospitals can't turn people down.
User avatar #35 to #34 - sparkyoneonetwo
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haha that the biggest ******* lie I ever seen in my life
User avatar #36 to #35 - onemoreaddictingam
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It's true though. Yes it still isn't perfect and there are problems with it, and the healthcare, but legally you can't turn people down.
User avatar #37 to #36 - sparkyoneonetwo
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legally or not still happens all the ******* time. People are turned down for all kinds of important **** for the fact they can't afford it. It's all over the new where I live every day people get turned down but, nothing is ever done about it.
User avatar #38 to #37 - onemoreaddictingam
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Yes I know that does, but that's not the point of my comment. The post makes it seem like America can turn you down if you don't have healthcare, legally. I didn't know if OP meant that, or what you said. Either way we're both right.
User avatar #39 to #38 - sparkyoneonetwo
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Okay I read what you said wrong, I though you were saying it didn't happen.
#40 to #39 - onemoreaddictingam
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Nah here's a funny face for the confusion.
Nah here's a funny face for the confusion.
User avatar #41 to #40 - sparkyoneonetwo
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well thanks for that :3
#69 to #37 - anon id: 9e4f00d5
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Whoa! The news NEVER twists anything to make it seem worse or more unfair. That never happens. Obama is only the antichrist and Jesus at the same time.

#118 to #34 - kanedam
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im from europe... just a question:
if its not true then why is it spread over the news, told by americans that i know, seen on tv in coutless movies and series?
User avatar #148 to #118 - onemoreaddictingam
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Because if you read the rest of this thread you'll find out that though it is illegal to turn people away, it still happens.
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