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User avatar #5 - kanatana
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(04/22/2013) [-]
I would like to point out that every single lightsaber fight was choreographed by an Olympian-level fencing master.
#7 to #5 - morkotlap
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Bob Anderson actually choreographed duels only in the IV - VI.

Also I call ******** on the whole post. Circular parry is decent movement by the wrist to parry a lunge. No one has ever lunged in the whole Star Wars universe despite it being probably the most effective attack you can do.

Anyone who ever even tried either sport or historical fencing knows the whole choreography of star wars is complete and utter ********.

As shown here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
User avatar #12 to #7 - snowshark
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I don't know about fencing and even I know that the above post is ********.

The movement used by both of the is FULL of openings. Most noteably when they are swinging their sabres away from the opponent and round behind their backs. An awful lot, if not all of the lightsabre duels in the prequel trilogy are just fanfare and ********.

The emotional stakes are largely non-existant unless you completely disregard (or are oblivious to) the inherent stupidity of what is going on in the movies and the fights are choreographed to be nothing more than flippy-kicky dancing with glow-sticks.

The truth is that the muted and clumsy fights from the original trilogy (choreographed by an official fencer) are not only more realistic because of the inactivity and brutality but the cost of performing the special effect limited them in time and action, making the scenes much more suspenseful.

So a thumb for you, Morkotlap, for knowing your ****. Well done, good sir.
#19 to #12 - tomthehippie
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You ignore the fact that they are force users.

Yes, this movement (especially how they do it) is flawed for a normal human, but one of the most basic abilities EVERY force user has is precognition, especially in a fight they can see what is going to happen a few seconds in advance, so considering that, then the obviously weaknesses of the movement are nullified.
User avatar #30 to #19 - snowshark
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So... why do it in the first place? If precognition factors so much into how they as fighters operate then logically the fights should be static as either side conserves their energy to find a sequence of movements that force the enemy into a point where they physically can neither block nor dodge the attack.

The spiny thing is of absolutely no value. It creates openings but if they know their opponent won't be taking advantage of them then what is the point? It's not going to intimidate anyone as they're both well aware of each other's skills and it's not going to inflict the slightest bit of damage. It's also not going to disguise any of their attacks because their opponent will see it coming.

Also, if it is true and force-users have precognition then why didn't Anakin forsee that he would get his limbs cut off from the incredibly stupid ultra-jump? In a similar vein, why didn't Darth Maul do exactly what Obi-Wan did?

Also, if Obi-Wan could see into the future even a short while then why didn't he foresee that Anakin would be rescued by Palpatine? If he couldn't see his future then why didn't he just kill him and end everything?

If you factor precognition into fights then they become chess games where every move is made for a reason and the reason is to force the opponent into a vulnerable position that they can't escape yet every duel devolves to jumpy-flippy-nonsense which, considering that their opponents have the ability to push and pull objects, seems to be a massive mistake as your footing is always compromised.

There is simply no defending the overly choreographed fight scenes in the prequels because they are too flashy and elongated to hold any tension whereas the original trilogy kept them short and tense.

If you want to see the problems with the prequels in detail, see below. Don't stop liking them, but don't ignore their faults either.

#37 to #30 - tomthehippie
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Its not unlimited precognition, in fact one of the basic premises is that often the very act of seeing the future locks it into place. Also, the battle precognition is not perfect. In light of a perfect precognitive ability, what you are saying makes perfect sense. In light of an imperfect cognitive ability, as well as factoring in reaction times (because if your opponent is fast enough, then it doesn't matter if you see the blow coming, you still might not be able to react in time), and physical condition, the "chess" like style of battle becomes impossible to do.

For instance, Anikin's visions of Padme dying, it is very easy to argue that with out said visions Anikin would never have been pushed to the dark side. thus he would have not been the one to injure her and she wouldn't have "lost the will to live" (let me just say here that when I heard that phrase in the movie I raged, utterly retarded writing right there). With out the fear of losing Padme, Palpatine wouldn't have had the leverage to push Anikin to the dark side.
User avatar #40 to #37 - snowshark
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I'm gonna ignore all the BS surrounding the dark side and palpatine in the prequels as well as the precognition surrounding him personally because frankly we'd be here all day if I focussed on that. Instead I'm going to focus on the initial point made that the move is still completely invalid.

Wether you can see the future or not the move is incredibly stupid and makes the characters we're supposed to be rooting for look like idiots. Rather than focussing on the whole life-and-death struggle between two old 'friends' (and i use that in a very loose manner) they're twirling their glow-sticks.

Whichever way you slice the cake you still end up with the chocolatey core layer and that is that the fighting in the prequels really is unjustifiable from a narrative standpoint. It is clearly just fanfare that detracts from the truth of what is going on whilst decreasing the tension and numbing the emotional stakes.
#41 to #40 - tomthehippie
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Yeah, it definitely could have been done better. That being said, the goal was to make it flashy and cool looking, and for that they succeeded.

As far as writing and acting go, they largely failed.
User avatar #44 to #41 - snowshark
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Aye, but I could set my sights on the goal of kicking a baby in the face. I may achieve it but at the end of the day it wasn't hard, nor was it worth-while, nor was it particularly clever and honestly it would probably only entertain the lowest common denominator rather than the people who really cared about the baby.

Suddenly, 'Baby getting kicked in the face' becomes a youtube sensation and people stop caring about the baby and when they do care about the baby people create excuses to protect their opinions from scrutiny and ridicule, ignoring the facts that what they watched was a baby getting kicked in the face and just enjoying the funny side to slapstick humour.

Point is, no matter how nice the turd is, it's still a turd.

Luckily this is a turd that actors, directors, writers... hell, everyone involved in the production of movies can learn buckets from because of all the myriad failures along the way.

You often learn more from a failure than a success.
User avatar #6 to #5 - dwraith
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I didn't know Greek gods fenced.
#8 to #6 - mephiblis
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Now you know.
#21 to #8 - AnonsForSure
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#22 to #21 - mephiblis
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First game i ever bought for the PC. I still play it at least once a year.
User avatar #24 to #22 - AnonsForSure
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I have just installed it like 2 weeks ago after several years of it collecting some dust on the shelf. Still a badass game. I like egyptians most, followed closely by the norse. You?
User avatar #26 to #24 - mephiblis
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I love the Norse. Farms+storage in 1 mobile unit??? Hell yeah.