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Intergalactic feels

L/ Ilife/ Pill/ i
tuatara:
No, this is a variation on a circle parry and a counter circle parry.
Both are commonly taught in French and Italian style foil fencing.
A circle parry is when you amid your opponents blade by moving
your blade around theirs in a circle. A counter circle parry is circling
around your opponents circle that they cant get their blade past
to stab you.
When two fencera know each other well, this often
apperas. l becomes a game of chicken, it only ends when
Corleone is willing to risk leaving an opening that they Can launch
a different attack.
The foil version of this happens at least onee a practice on my
college fencing team. The only difference is that the blades are
horizontal rather than diagonal.
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#1 - sidathon (04/21/2013) [-]
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#2 to #1 - mcfattyfatty (04/22/2013) [-]
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User avatar #5 - kanatana (04/22/2013) [-]
I would like to point out that every single lightsaber fight was choreographed by an Olympian-level fencing master.
#7 to #5 - morkotlap (04/22/2013) [-]
Bob Anderson actually choreographed duels only in the IV - VI.

Also I call ******** on the whole post. Circular parry is decent movement by the wrist to parry a lunge. No one has ever lunged in the whole Star Wars universe despite it being probably the most effective attack you can do.

Anyone who ever even tried either sport or historical fencing knows the whole choreography of star wars is complete and utter ******** .

As shown here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
User avatar #12 to #7 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
I don't know about fencing and even I know that the above post is ******** .

The movement used by both of the is FULL of openings. Most noteably when they are swinging their sabres away from the opponent and round behind their backs. An awful lot, if not all of the lightsabre duels in the prequel trilogy are just fanfare and ******** .

The emotional stakes are largely non-existant unless you completely disregard (or are oblivious to) the inherent stupidity of what is going on in the movies and the fights are choreographed to be nothing more than flippy-kicky dancing with glow-sticks.

The truth is that the muted and clumsy fights from the original trilogy (choreographed by an official fencer) are not only more realistic because of the inactivity and brutality but the cost of performing the special effect limited them in time and action, making the scenes much more suspenseful.

So a thumb for you, Morkotlap, for knowing your **** . Well done, good sir.
#19 to #12 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
You ignore the fact that they are force users.

Yes, this movement (especially how they do it) is flawed for a normal human, but one of the most basic abilities EVERY force user has is precognition, especially in a fight they can see what is going to happen a few seconds in advance, so considering that, then the obviously weaknesses of the movement are nullified.
User avatar #30 to #19 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
So... why do it in the first place? If precognition factors so much into how they as fighters operate then logically the fights should be static as either side conserves their energy to find a sequence of movements that force the enemy into a point where they physically can neither block nor dodge the attack.

The spiny thing is of absolutely no value. It creates openings but if they know their opponent won't be taking advantage of them then what is the point? It's not going to intimidate anyone as they're both well aware of each other's skills and it's not going to inflict the slightest bit of damage. It's also not going to disguise any of their attacks because their opponent will see it coming.

Also, if it is true and force-users have precognition then why didn't Anakin forsee that he would get his limbs cut off from the incredibly stupid ultra-jump? In a similar vein, why didn't Darth Maul do exactly what Obi-Wan did?

Also, if Obi-Wan could see into the future even a short while then why didn't he foresee that Anakin would be rescued by Palpatine? If he couldn't see his future then why didn't he just kill him and end everything?

If you factor precognition into fights then they become chess games where every move is made for a reason and the reason is to force the opponent into a vulnerable position that they can't escape yet every duel devolves to jumpy-flippy-nonsense which, considering that their opponents have the ability to push and pull objects, seems to be a massive mistake as your footing is always compromised.

There is simply no defending the overly choreographed fight scenes in the prequels because they are too flashy and elongated to hold any tension whereas the original trilogy kept them short and tense.

If you want to see the problems with the prequels in detail, see below. Don't stop liking them, but don't ignore their faults either.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
#37 to #30 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
Its not unlimited precognition, in fact one of the basic premises is that often the very act of seeing the future locks it into place. Also, the battle precognition is not perfect. In light of a perfect precognitive ability, what you are saying makes perfect sense. In light of an imperfect cognitive ability, as well as factoring in reaction times (because if your opponent is fast enough, then it doesn't matter if you see the blow coming, you still might not be able to react in time), and physical condition, the "chess" like style of battle becomes impossible to do.

For instance, Anikin's visions of Padme dying, it is very easy to argue that with out said visions Anikin would never have been pushed to the dark side. thus he would have not been the one to injure her and she wouldn't have "lost the will to live" (let me just say here that when I heard that phrase in the movie I raged, utterly retarded writing right there). With out the fear of losing Padme, Palpatine wouldn't have had the leverage to push Anikin to the dark side.
User avatar #40 to #37 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
I'm gonna ignore all the BS surrounding the dark side and palpatine in the prequels as well as the precognition surrounding him personally because frankly we'd be here all day if I focussed on that. Instead I'm going to focus on the initial point made that the move is still completely invalid.

Wether you can see the future or not the move is incredibly stupid and makes the characters we're supposed to be rooting for look like idiots. Rather than focussing on the whole life-and-death struggle between two old 'friends' (and i use that in a very loose manner) they're twirling their glow-sticks.

Whichever way you slice the cake you still end up with the chocolatey core layer and that is that the fighting in the prequels really is unjustifiable from a narrative standpoint. It is clearly just fanfare that detracts from the truth of what is going on whilst decreasing the tension and numbing the emotional stakes.
#41 to #40 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, it definitely could have been done better. That being said, the goal was to make it flashy and cool looking, and for that they succeeded.

As far as writing and acting go, they largely failed.
User avatar #44 to #41 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Aye, but I could set my sights on the goal of kicking a baby in the face. I may achieve it but at the end of the day it wasn't hard, nor was it worth-while, nor was it particularly clever and honestly it would probably only entertain the lowest common denominator rather than the people who really cared about the baby.

Suddenly, 'Baby getting kicked in the face' becomes a youtube sensation and people stop caring about the baby and when they do care about the baby people create excuses to protect their opinions from scrutiny and ridicule, ignoring the facts that what they watched was a baby getting kicked in the face and just enjoying the funny side to slapstick humour.

Point is, no matter how nice the turd is, it's still a turd.

Luckily this is a turd that actors, directors, writers... hell, everyone involved in the production of movies can learn buckets from because of all the myriad failures along the way.

You often learn more from a failure than a success.
User avatar #6 to #5 - dwraith (04/22/2013) [-]
I didn't know Greek gods fenced.
#8 to #6 - mephiblis ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
Now you know.
#22 to #21 - mephiblis ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
First game i ever bought for the PC. I still play it at least once a year.
User avatar #24 to #22 - AnonsForSure ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
I have just installed it like 2 weeks ago after several years of it collecting some dust on the shelf. Still a badass game. I like egyptians most, followed closely by the norse. You?
User avatar #26 to #24 - mephiblis ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
I love the Norse. Farms+storage in 1 mobile unit??? Hell yeah.
#4 - masterchiefawesome (04/22/2013) [-]
YES BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT WAS NEEDED IN THAT WHOLE PART WAS MORE SADNESS!!
YES BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT WAS NEEDED IN THAT WHOLE PART WAS MORE SADNESS!!
#13 to #4 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
How is this sad?
User avatar #46 to #13 - masterchiefawesome (04/22/2013) [-]
i know i'll get red thumbs, but i actually liked the prequels, 1 and 2 more from nostalgia since they came out when i was a kid, but i loved 3 and the short speech that Obi wan gave after Anikan was defeated just punched my heart in the balls. Plus, i mean, it's referencing the two's life together and that even when they're mortal enemies fighting to the death they can't change the fact that they know each other so well...
#49 to #46 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/23/2013) [-]
What that is funny is that we had a slight conversation about the exact same thing below.
What that is funny is that we had a slight conversation about the exact same thing below.
#51 to #49 - masterchiefawesome (04/23/2013) [-]
yeah, i didn't feel like cracking open that giant wall of text and butt rustling...
#52 to #51 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/23/2013) [-]
Yeah good point. You win this one mate.
Yeah good point. You win this one mate.
User avatar #15 to #13 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
There are some people who actually care about Anakin from the prequels (or the prequels in general), hence the confrontation between the two characters is considered by them to be sad when the truth is that the films not only do not deserve the emotional investment that occurs for some people but they do not deserve to be treated as anything beyond a stain on the record of George Lucas (who despite it all I still hold a lot of respect for considering his early works such as the original trilogy and American Graffiti.)
#16 to #15 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
I appreciate the explanation but i like the prequels.
User avatar #28 to #16 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Eh, I don't mind the red thumbs... and okay?

I said my opinion and you said yours. If you want a fact-based deconstruction of exactly why the prequels were as absolutely atrocious as they were (naturally using references to the source material, industry standards, valid comparison and the like) then I could give it to you easily but honestly... even if the films are god-awful from a technical standpoint there is no reason that they shouldn't be liked.

Opinion vs Fact and all that.
#32 to #28 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
Heyheyhey! You calm down there. Don't start putting the blame on me. And stop calling your opinion fact.

This is not a question about facts. If i like it then i like it.
User avatar #33 to #32 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Uhm... I am calm. Though we are communing via text so frankly I can see where the miscommunication has occurred. I have a sharp tone to my speech which is offset by an awful lot of visual factors.

(In all honesty I should probably amend my speech-paterns for the online world but people who are smart enough for me to give a damn talking to won't mind a misunderstanding and people who I don't really give a damn about I don't really give enough of a damn about to care what they take from what I say. I personally believe you fall into the former category.)

And I'm afraid that what I said there was actually fact. If you want a thorough explanation (and I do mean thorough) about all of the reasons why the movies are terrible then I'll include a link for you to view at your own discretion, but a movie's quality (which can be divined from several observable and documentable factors) and one's own personal enjoyment of the movie are two disparate entities entirely.

E.G. I personally like 'The Cat in the Hat' with Mike Meyers but I fully understand all the myriad reasons why it is an awful movie.

We're smart people, you and I. We understand the point of view that we disagree with before we disagree with it, otherwise we would be ignorant.

Link: (Be aware, the review is very thorough and lasts a while. May want to view it in multiple sittings if you decide to see what all the fuss is really about.)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
#34 to #33 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/22/2013) [-]
I am not going to read that. I like the movies and there is nothing you can do about it.

I do however wish you a great night, and for gods sake when it comes to whether something is good or not saying that your opinion is a fact is like when 6 year olds say that their action figure is cooler that yours.
User avatar #35 to #34 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Dude... wow.

You're either really stupid or really bad at reading because I've not once said that you should/should not like what you like (actually I've stated on multiple occasions the exact opposite.)

And dude... for the love of god... learn the difference between opinion and fact otherwise you are always going to confuse the two of them and sound like an idiot.

I actually defined the two briefly above but as you evidently did not read it then there's little I can do for you. Just... try not to **** up your life, okay? Because it's narrow-minded misunderstanding like that that is going to land you in a whole ******** of trouble.
#50 to #35 - felixjarl ONLINE (04/23/2013) [-]
Summarization of that comment: I am a idiot.    
   
   
I know this is the Internet but try atleast to be somewhat civil.
Summarization of that comment: I am a idiot.


I know this is the Internet but try atleast to be somewhat civil.
#20 to #16 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
Most Americans don't like the prequels as much because of the differences in story.

The prequels have a much more murky story, where as the original trilogy has a much more straight forward story with a good guy underdog.
User avatar #29 to #20 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Well... no.

1) I'm European.
2) It really isn't murky at all. It's confused, hap-hazard and poorly written.

If you really want to know the full truth as to why so many people hate the prequel saga then go take a look at the Red Letter Media reviews on youtube. They fully deconstruct the prequels from start to finish using facts, analysis and all that good stuff.

I'm not saying you shouldn't like the films, I'm merely offering you the chance to understand a different point of view that you appear to currently not.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
#36 to #29 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
They weren't the best written, at least compared to the original triology, that and they relied a LOT more on special effects than on acting and writing.

That being said, most movies now a days rely far more on special effects than acting or good writing.
User avatar #38 to #36 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Granted, however that's not really an excuse. Just because they're not the worst doesn't mean they're not terrible. From a purely analytical standpoint they are massively flawed in pretty much every conventional respect.

Honestly, there is so much to learn about movies from simply watching people tear the prequels apart. It is a learning experience like no other because literally everything that can be flawed is massively flawed. I do not hate the prequels, rather I am glad that they exist. They taught me more about movies than literally any other film series.

However, the parts of the prequels that are good (yes, I'm a critic and I'm admitting that there are good aspects) can be found in material such as the Clone Wars mini-series which are largely devoid of all the badness that the prequels are full of. So the problem lies not with the one thing that people seem to really like about the prequels (the setting and universe) rather with the manner in which it is portrayed through film.

I'll point you at the link again in hopes that someone else may just get to see it (because it really changed my views on not just the prequels but film in general) but it's by no means compulsory.
#39 to #38 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
I've taken a few literary (and film) analysis classes. And from that standpoint, movies will probably never get back to the glory days of the silver screen.
User avatar #42 to #39 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Eh, I disagree. I think movies never left those 'glory days'.

Yeah, there's a lot of ******** on the screens these days but people are still making black and white movies similar to the classics. They're just not in the mainstream cinema anymore. Django Unchained is a send-up to spaghetti westerns and a glorious celebration of movie-violence, similar to that of the action-movie-era, but coupled with the narrative sensibilities of the time.

Yes, Hollywood is currently creatively bankrupt (mostly because they have forced themselves into a position where to please their audience they are required to spend vast amounts of money and in doing so often only please the lowest common denominator) but then you see films like The Avengers and Seven Psychopaths and you realise that movies aren't dead, the good ones are still there. It's just that Hollywood is now focussed on a different market to before. You just need to find out where the original market went and go there.
#43 to #42 - tomthehippie (04/22/2013) [-]
I'm not saying that good writing is dead, I'm just saying the classics, Ben Hurr, movies like that, it'll probably be a decade (at least) before writers try to hit that level again.

There are movies that are well written, Warm Bodies was one I saw recently that I enjoyed (good feels there bro) and was decently written.

It had a good mix of comedy and romance, as well as a bit of action (that wasn't overdone either).

But yeah, like you've said most movies pander to the lowest common denominator, while there are still some good movies.
User avatar #45 to #43 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Aye. People who like movies will be the ones you see despairing over the state of cinema.

People who love movies do not care. They love movies and have probably long-since found ways to get the movies they want. Either through the internet or by sifting the dirt for the specks of gold, movie-lovers will find their nuggets.

It is a strange truth but when you truly love something then you do not complain about how it is broken, rather you find ways to make it work.
#9 - Lycanz (04/22/2013) [-]
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#11 to #9 - anon (04/22/2013) [-]
you're heartless
#3 - anon (04/22/2013) [-]
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totally phantom menace
User avatar #14 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
I'm calling BS.

The whole movement is flawed. For one, Anakin is holding his lightsabre upside down for a lot of his spin. This is an incredibly stupid thing to do as it brings the instant-cut lethal light weapon away from your enemy and towards your body. The entire movement is full of obvious openings and Obi-Wan could easily just lunge and hit Anakin when he does that.

Something similar is true of Obi-Wan.

The entire movement is entirely pointless and counter-productive to killing your opponent. What is more, the fight is devoid of tension as we know how it is going to end and devoid of emotional stakes as Anakin is a horrible character in the prequels (though he is portrayed as a much better character in the Clone Wars mini-series) and Obi-Wan was an idiot for not spotting it.

They are both also idiots for even using that move in the first place. Seriously, Obi-Wan is a Jedi Master and Anakin is supposed to be equally skilled but they both decide to do this massively flawed and counter-productive movement that is just indicative of the enormous flaws in all of the fight scenes in the prequels movies (namely that they're all flash and garbage with no substance to it, the kind of bollocks that the Transformers movies are derided for) as well as the fighting techniques of both the Jedi and the Sith as well as the weapon-choice of the Jedi and the Sith as well as the clear inconsistencies shown in the competence of the characters.

But to be honest, if I continue pointing out all the myriad problems with this fragment of a scene (it is shocking just how many faults can be drawn out from this one moment) then I will eventually descend into a systematic deconstruction of everything that is wrong with the Jedi Order in the prequels as well as the prequels themselves and we really do not have the time for it.

tl;dr? Too bad.
User avatar #10 - Sabre (04/22/2013) [-]
"Ooh, look at me, I'm a foil fencer with no balls!"

Sabre is master race fencing weapon.
#17 to #10 - tricksandshit (04/22/2013) [-]
dat skyhook
#25 to #10 - anon (04/22/2013) [-]
"I like it when my opponents rush at me with the tip of their sword raised aboe their head," says the epee fencer.

Epee master race.
User avatar #27 to #10 - bronynexgen (04/22/2013) [-]
Gotta agree with anon.
User avatar #47 to #27 - Sabre (04/23/2013) [-]
I have a friend who once won an epée bout when her opponent tripped over his own shoelace, fell flat on his ass, and she simply advanced up and poked his shoe which had come flying off. Ref didn't call halt, so technically it was on-target.
That sort of ******** is why I can't stand epée.
User avatar #53 to #47 - bronynexgen (04/28/2013) [-]
To be fair, if you fell flat on your ass in the middle of the field of battle, you're dead anyway. Although that was very ********** , I agree.
Still, epee>saber.
#23 - Tenkan (04/22/2013) [-]
The prequel duels were awesome!

It made a lot more sense that the swinging be faster, considering these aren't normal swords, but lightsabers. Meaning, the strength of you swinging the saber doesn't matter, because even if you swing slow and lightly, you'll still cut through anything.

I'm glad they made the duels faster, because once your lightsaber touches your opponent you pretty much win.


And those who think otherwise and think the duels should have been slow like the original trilogy, image slightly related?
User avatar #31 to #23 - snowshark (04/22/2013) [-]
Eh, your technique isn't bad but your trolling still needs some work. The provocation needs to be more subtle if you're going to actually start arguments.
User avatar #18 - iwaspromisedcake (04/22/2013) [-]
I think this was one of the better duels, regardless.

If only they had developed the relationship between the two a little better in the other two films, this moment would have been heartbreaking.
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