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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
#168 - helenwheels
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(04/19/2013) [-]
There is a law that says if someone is passed out or so **** faced they cannot say "I permit you to have sexual intercourse with me." It is considered rape. If a girl is drunk and is too wobbly to run away it is still considered rape. Just because she "Put herself" in a vulnerable position it doesn't justify the acts of the attacker.

A car cannot force you to drive it.
#175 to #168 - palindromia
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(04/19/2013) [-]
Of course. Let's absolve women of all responsibility. After all, they can only be victims and never accountable for their own choices despite what those choices lead to. I mean, getting ********* to the point of having completely impaired judgment wasn't really HER choice now was it?

So it stands to reason that women, like children, are incapable of being accountable and responsible for their own choices despite the consequences. They can only be the victim in any scenario in which where they are forced to face negative outcomes of their behavior. It follows then, they should forfeit the privileges afforded only to adults. You can't accept responsibility like an adult, then you don't get to do what adults do.

No? Too sexist for you?

Then either:
A. Don't put yourself in situations where you will be easily exploited.
B. Own the **** up to your own life choices and the consequences they yield. Nothing in life is consequence-free.

Are you a poor, defenseless little girl in need of protection and security from external sources? Or are you a strong, independent adult capable of taking responsibility and being held accountable? You cannot be both.
User avatar #211 to #175 - helenwheels
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(04/19/2013) [-]
Did you read a word of what I said?
If someone is drunk and says yes its not rape. But if someone is passed out and has not consented just because she "put herself in the situation" It does not justify the acts of the rapist.
#230 to #211 - palindromia
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(04/19/2013) [-]
Cause and effect.
If I place my wallet on a park bench and go take a nap, it would be no shock to wake up and find my wallet is gone. It would be absurd to say that I didn't bring it upon myself by not taking the proper precautions. No one made me take out my wallet and place it on the bench.
No one forced that girl to drink so ******* much that she passes out. Even if roofies were involved, leaving your drink unattended in a bar to allow someone the opportunity to do that is questionable judgement at best. (unless you're saying that women, again like children, are incapable of exhibiting sound judgement)
You are right, though. It does not justify the acts of the perpetrator but without the cause, which she initiated on her OWN accord, there can be NO EFFECT. Life isn't sunshine and daisies and chasing happiness without consequence. If you wanna get ********* plastered, unless someone is FORCING the alcohol down your throat, it would be absurd to absolve yourself of all responsibility for actions influenced by alcohol. I am not saying blame the victim or assuming the perpetrator isn't also guilty of wrong-doing, but to say that the woman gets wake up the next morning with buyer's remorse and blame the man 100% would be to suppose she is incapable of judgment and responsibility. Attributes of adulthood and maturity.
So again, are you a poor, defenseless victim, or strong and capable?
User avatar #262 to #230 - helenwheels
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(04/22/2013) [-]
Well, you may say that I live in an ideal world, but I don't think that should be the standard. And if you agree that it does not justify the acts of perpetrator then I'm not sure what you're arguing. I still think you're miss understanding me.

I'm not nor have I have I ever been a feminist. I do not believe in "gender superiority" Nor do I believe its even necessary to define as "strong and independent woman" as that seems like something an insecure person would say. Does that answer your question.
#263 to #262 - palindromia
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(04/22/2013) [-]
It doesn't.
I just find it curious that one can get drunk and whomever that person has sex with is pretty much at the mercy of the potential "victim". No one ever thinks to consider that perhaps every drunken, sexual encounter doesn't automatically entitle the female to victim-hood.
User avatar #264 to #263 - helenwheels
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(04/22/2013) [-]
Drunk sex=/= rape.
I keep saying that.
No law says that if two drunk people get it on, or if one drunk and one sober person get it on the man is always to blame. No one has ever said that. Ever.
#265 to #264 - palindromia
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(04/22/2013) [-]
Then why the **** are we even still arguing?
User avatar #266 to #265 - helenwheels
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(04/22/2013) [-]
Because I still don't know what your point is.
#267 to #266 - palindromia
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(04/22/2013) [-]
Apparently I don't understand you either so now we've reached a stalemate.

Have a good day.
#187 to #175 - anon id: 95276e3c
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(04/19/2013) [-]
Yeah like if you get mugged because you had your wallet and phone on you, that's totally your fault! Don't carry things you don't want to be stolen!

Guys, guys, guys this guy has it down! We just blame the victim in situations! Because that's what being a victim means right?
#201 to #187 - palindromia
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(04/19/2013) [-]
You're completely misunderstanding.
This analogy is fallacious.
Having a wallet and phone on you is not analogous to being in a self-induced, drunken state.
A better analogy would be that the "victim" here gave their wallet and phone to the "mugger" and later pressed chargers after willingly handing over those possessions.
The defendant would get laughed out of the courtroom in such a situation.
User avatar #169 to #168 - Whaaaaaaaaa
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(04/19/2013) [-]
wise words to live by " She can say yes all night longer, but when say wakes up and thinks I should of said No.. its rape."
#260 to #169 - sparkieemae
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(04/21/2013) [-]
Hey, so instead of a "Don't get raped" mentality, how about we try a "don't rape" mentality.

Instead of, don't pass out drunk, If a person is passed out, don't rape them.

Instead of, you have no rights to your own body if you're under the influence, If a person is too drunk to defend themselves, don't rape them.

Instead of, don't be around people who could rape you, don't rape the people you're around.

If that is too difficult, perhaps try the buddy system, if you think you can't restrain yourself from raping inebriated people you're around, keep a friend with you in public.

Carry a whistle with you if you think you're in danger of assaulting someone by 'accident', hand it to the person you're with so they can call for help.