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Submitted: 04/07/2013
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User avatar #1 - donutsection (04/07/2013) [-]
I found this interesting.

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#4 - asbrustle (04/08/2013) [-]
Worth the read.
User avatar #5 - TheFreak (04/08/2013) [-]
Show this to most people and you'd get crucified. But this is looking at things from a purely biologically stance. It never says anything about the individuals with these mutations being bad people, nor does it criticize them or call them sinful for a genetic muck-up.
User avatar #13 - nyxeos (04/08/2013) [+] (2 replies)
No one says sex is a social construct.

Sex and gender are different because sex relates to the biological idea, while gender the social construct. They come together in different ways, depending on the person and society.

Of course there are differences between men, women, and the intersexed. The point is how society reacts to those differences, whether or not they react with understanding or with prejudice.
User avatar #15 to #13 - nyxeos (04/08/2013) [-]
And just a note, combining all liberals, feminists, and social scientists is ridiculous. Within each of those groups there are different factions, versions, theories... many of which are directly opposed to each other.

For social scientists, look at the Bruce/David Reimer case. A doctor proposed that, even after 18 months of being raised a boy, if everyone treated him as a girl, he would become one. This theory failed miserably, and many other social scientists did not agree even before the failure came to light and the original doctor reported it was a success.

As for saying someone is a feminist, it's like saying someone is religious, or a scientist. You can have the most basic idea about their beliefs, but the specifics will vary greatly.
#17 - xatrainx (04/08/2013) [-]
A couple once decided to raise their kid in a completely gender-neutral way, not even telling them whether or not they were a boy or a girl for almost a decade. That kid ended up committing suicide. To say that there is no difference between boys and girls is to be too stupid to take off your pants and look down. It's common knowledge that there is gender-identity is combination of nature and nurture, and because of such gender is inherently something more than just a social construct.
User avatar #12 - stallwallwriter (04/08/2013) [+] (6 replies)
This would have more credibility if :
a) It didn't refer to sexual abnormalities as "diseased" and "abberitions" (their spelling, not mine.)
b) included a citation of sources rather than simply that they're opposed by liberals, feminists, and social scientists.
d) Actually explained the graph it used showing "brain differences". When was the last time you learned anything coherent from a graph that doesn't even have axis?

Finally, I'd just like to point out that the grammatical gender example he used is specific to English. French uses gendered language even for non-living objects, and German does the same with three genders.
But that's just one of those culturally determined things.
User avatar #14 to #12 - warrenzthehero (04/08/2013) [-]
a) "Diseased" is spelled correctly. Also, a single misspelling does not necessarily detract from overall plausibility unless you are excessively nit-picky and prejudiced. After all, you skipped from b) to c) in your point listing.
b) A lot of this is learned in like 7th grade, and again in Biology in High School. This is just applied learning.
c) or d) There is no graph.

And on to your last point about language: Congratulations. French separates everything into genders. You should get a medal.
I'm not certain what point he's trying to make there, but I think it has something to do with the fact that "sex" and "gender" are almost completely synonymous in the English language.
User avatar #19 - jtwagner (04/08/2013) [+] (6 replies)
Citation needed. This whole post sounds like an angry rant with random pictures to match their argument. Just about every little thing that humans do is determined by culture, gender is no exception.
#23 to #19 - anonymous (04/08/2013) [-]
We found the feminist, everyone.
#10 - anonymous (04/08/2013) [+] (5 replies)
aren't conservatives usually the ones who disregard evidence and have their own beliefs that can't be influenced by facts and experiments?
#29 to #25 - anonymous (04/08/2013) [-]
While I support human rights in all forms, there is one interesting point that is brought up in here. Studying in med school, I can verify that there is a notable difference in the presence of neuroreceptors and hormones produced in the brains of those who consider themselves transgendered, genderqueer, etc. This is ALSO seen in patients with schizophrenia, depression, ADHD, bipolar disorder, most forms of anxiety, etc. What makes treating the one so taboo, but the other so widespread and encouraged? Mainstream, even? You can state how some conditions can be harmful for a patient, but, at the same time, altering the chemicals in the brain changes a person's thoughts, their personality, essentially the person themself. Treating an anxious person GETS RID of the anxiety, but also the person themselves in essence, leaving someone with memories but a new personality. The way I see it, you can either say treating ALL of these are okay, or NONE of them. "Some" seems like a cop out.
#28 - kiaorakid (04/08/2013) [-]
The author is attempting to use a scientific method to discredit something that is so abstract that it was destined to cause controversy. The generally taught notion (coming from a student who has studied both biology and sociology) is that sex is considered biological, whereas gender is a social construct. Gender is influenced by everything you experience as you live - the conditions of your very own social niche if you will.
However, the arguments either way are subject to varying opinion. The evidence used in the argument above is clearly scientific, so would struggle to accurately explain the fluid notion of society. Likewise, a social argument wouldn't cover the biological evidence behind sex.
If everyone would just accept the fluidity of the nature of identity (through the intimate relationship between human beings and the abstract concept of society), there wouldn't be any need for a post like this to attempt to solve an issue created by unnecessary prejudice in the first place.
#27 - krypticwizdom (04/08/2013) [-]
User avatar #11 - laky (04/08/2013) [-]
So many people here in the comments are talking about how they would get killed if they advertise this in public, jw where are you guys from? Like here in Canada, I have never heard someone talk about the origins of sexuality and gender other than my professors (who always take the biological face-based stance ). I doubt anyone would get butthurt if you took a biological stance. I also spent some time in Serbia where people were generally intolerant of gays just because it went against the bible.
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User avatar #6 - Lambda (04/08/2013) [+] (1 reply)
This is what I always say. Mentally, you can be whatever you want. But biologically, there are males and there are females, and that is a fact.
#18 to #6 - anonymous (04/08/2013) [-]
I will be Potato.
#2 - anonymous (04/07/2013) [+] (1 reply)
As a college student, I wan't to put this up everywhere I can. But I'd probably get shot, because liberals are so "tolerant".
#3 - justinsane (04/08/2013) [-]
As a mildly educated person....
As a mildly educated person....
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