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#8 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
In all honesty, I don't give a shit about the native Americans. They were a bunch of uncivilized savages. They didn't even believe in the concept of ownership so we didn't take anything from them. They were basically people who lived in an abandoned apartment and not pay rent, like squatters. What happened here built the greatest country ever. It had to be done and i'm glad it did. I'm just going to be honest and blunt, just straight out say it. I do not nor will I ever give a fuck about those savage Indians. I'm sorry but that's just how I feel. They are not me, I am white, not native American. It has no negative impact on me what happened to them, only good things came out of it. Why should I care? You think they cared about us when they were savagely scalping the dead bodies of their enemies? No respect for the dead.
User avatar #149 to #8 - pensivepangolin (03/30/2013) [-]
*ahem*
Later in your argument you say that it was the Native Americans' fault that they were killed. However, you seem to forget that the absolute BIGGEST killer of Native Americans were European diseases brought by the settlers, of which Native Americans had never experienced and therefore not immune.
User avatar #108 to #8 - torexofthenight (03/30/2013) [-]
You again?..
User avatar #102 to #8 - Crusader (03/30/2013) [-]
I know this is a troll, not because what you said is idiotic, but because it is the exact same thing that was said several days ago on another Natives post.
#100 to #8 - therobsorensen (03/30/2013) [-]
Shut up Meg.
#98 to #8 - buttplugmaster (03/30/2013) [-]
That oughtta do it.
#91 to #8 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
Don't hate on the wildlings just because they have their own ways of living
#90 to #8 - rhetoricalfunny (03/30/2013) [-]
You do realize scalping was a french tradition right?

We merely perfected it...
#84 to #8 - niggernazi (03/30/2013) [-]
yeah but how would you feel if some stinky ass foreigners took your land and your jobs man? I would be pissed, thats for sure.

Tahts why the indians do not like you. You took their jobs.

User avatar #75 to #8 - fukkenname (03/30/2013) [-]
You are the a prime example of why anons don't deserve "godly" before their names.

Please stop it, DJ 4DM1N
User avatar #72 to #8 - diddymonster (03/30/2013) [-]
no matter how much hate you try and spread, you will never paint with all the colours of the wind anon
User avatar #96 to #72 - buttplugmaster (03/30/2013) [-]
Oh My God you went there
#79 to #72 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
What the fuck does that even mean? It sounds like some retarded native american shit. The wind has no colors you idiot.
User avatar #82 to #79 - diddymonster (03/30/2013) [-]
i'm loving this thread so much
#80 to #79 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
He was making a reference to Pocahontas to hide the fact that he's rump rustled.
User avatar #94 to #80 - diddymonster (03/30/2013) [-]
i'm British i don't really care

the only time i think i've really cared about native american history was while playing assassins creed III

why are there so many people being anon today?
#116 to #94 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
Because red thumbs are sharp, sharp needles in my skin.

And because I like to separate my actual attempts at humor from the careless shit I say while logged out.
User avatar #122 to #116 - diddymonster (03/30/2013) [-]
that seems reasonable enough
#71 to #8 - superclamsquared (03/29/2013) [-]
So much ignorance. Early European Americans were dicks. Andrew Jackson was one of the worst presidents. Dawes Act was foolish. Fuck commas.
#68 to #8 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Do people actually think red thumbs will bother this guy?
#32 to #8 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
I agree with you Anon the natives were a cruel and savage bunch who deserved what they got. On a somewhat related subject I'm glad the Klan came down from heaven to punish the wicked and hung those niggers for being different than the pure white race. I think all niggers and fags should go to hell. Good thing those fellows at the WBC are doing what they can to stop the rest of us from going to hell along with those queers. What I trying to say is I'm behind you %100 of the way, you have my support.
#36 to #32 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
The gay and WBC are extreme but besides that I agree with what you have to say and thanks for the support.
#101 to #49 - therobsorensen (03/30/2013) [-]
I laughed so damn hard at that fact he is commenting and replying to himself. lol.
User avatar #132 to #101 - mondominiman (03/30/2013) [-]
I doubt it's the same guy seeing as one was just on natives while the other brought KKK and WBC into it.
#76 to #49 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
No, I am another anon who never said anything due to the retaliation of the other members but once I saw this man speak the truth I could no longer contain it. We are two different anons with similar ideals.
#31 to #8 - therollingstones (03/29/2013) [-]
Good for you.   
faggot
Good for you.
faggot
User avatar #24 to #8 - goochmaster (03/29/2013) [-]
Oh really? WE are the uncivilized savages when you ripped our children from their mother's breasts and threw them ALIVE into bonfires? Or would smash them on rocks?

Check yourself before you make yourself look like a fucking retard.
#27 to #24 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Yes you were the uncivilized savages. You ran around half naked screaming at animals and worshiping trees... how fucking stupid are you praying to a god damn tree? Also you spent your whole days getting high and believing you can talk to spirits... but that's what happens when you rot your brain away on drugs, you start seeing/hearing things.
User avatar #77 to #27 - selayna (03/30/2013) [-]
omg is this the same guy who was agruing with me last time ? and i see your still using the same lines? pathetic
User avatar #42 to #27 - desdemona (03/29/2013) [-]
Being naked doesn't mean you are uncivilised and neither does respecting nature.. you know, the NATIVE Americans kinda have it right, they understand the balance of biological systems and we, the most westernised and industrialised civilizations are destroying this planet. At the rate we are going there will be nothing left for anyone, when the power runs out who will you be turning to for help?
#46 to #42 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Yes being naked makes you uncivilized... civilized people wear clothes. And they didn't respect nature only, they WORSHIPED it. They believed in tree spirits and shit... They prayed to trees.
#39 to #27 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
And how fucking stupid it is to worship the christian way too, believing in a book that is written by man and influenced by historical politics? Or any other religion or lack of one for that matter? It has been proved many times that fanatical beliefs only end up in massacre. This time the English and European became greedy for "free" land - anyone would fight back if their land and culture was burned down.
#48 to #39 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
They shouldn't have fought back but they were too stupid. A lot more would have survived. Don't fuck with the big kid on the playground. And we weren't destroying their culture, we were attempting to educate them. They refused to be educated. We tried to help them, they didn't want it. not our fault.
User avatar #23 to #8 - zombiexslayer (03/29/2013) [-]
actually, scalping was originally done by white bounty hunters as proof of their kill..
#28 to #23 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Actually it wasn't. The native Americans had been doing that long before the first white settler first set foot on this land. They would viciously kill and scalp the head of rival tribe members.
User avatar #29 to #28 - zombiexslayer (03/29/2013) [-]
Well how can you call that vicious if white people did it too? it doesn't matter who did it first.
#34 to #29 - cockasian (03/29/2013) [-]
are you implying that white people can't o something vicious? that if they do something that gruesome, it can be justified? It doesn't matter who did it, the act is still vicious
User avatar #35 to #34 - zombiexslayer (03/29/2013) [-]
No, i was trying to say that he has no right to call the Native Americans "Vicious" and "Uncivilized Savages", without admitting that white people can be just as bad.
#37 to #35 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
That wouldn't have happened if they would have just listened to us and moved. Actually a lot more natives would be alive today if they would have just listened. It's their fault their people were wiped out. But they were uncivilized. What made them uncivilized was their way of life. They ran around half naked screaming at animals and worshiping trees... how fucking stupid are you praying to a god damn tree? Also they spent their whole days getting high and believing they can talk to spirits... but that's what happens when you rot your brain away on drugs, you start seeing/hearing things
#40 to #37 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
you call us vicious when you made a geneocide on us AND THE FUCKED UP THING IS EVERYONE STOOD BY AND WATCHED IT HAPPEN BUT WHEN IT CAME TO WORLD WAR 2 and sorry no offense to any one of jewish heritage just try to make a point on this i mean no disrespect what so ever EVERY ONE FUCKING JUMPED GERMANYS SHIT ABOUT IT AND STOOD UP TO HIM AND STARTED FUCKING HIS ASS UP BUT GOD FUCKING FORBID THEY DO THAT BACK THEN TO OH THEY ARE JUST SAVAGES WELL YOU WHITE WHERE AT ONE POINT AND TIME TOO AND WE ONLY BECAME SAVAGE BC WHITE PEOPLE WERE BEING KILLED BY NATIVE AMERICANS BC THEY KILLED ARE PEOPLE SO WE DID THE SAME IN RETURN
#50 to #40 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
There wouldn't have been a native American genocide if they didn't fight us. It's their fault. A lot of deaths could have been avoided if they just moved and gave us what we wanted. They were too stupid though. The holocaust was different, there was no land at stake. We wanted the land, you were living on the land, wouldn't move, so we killed them. They should have just moved their little tee pees or however the fuck you spell it.
#64 to #50 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
DIDNT FIGHT YOU THATS JUST LIKE SAYING IF YOU DIDNT FIGHT THE BRITISH UD STILL BE BRITS BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOO GOD FORBID WE FIGHT YOU WHITE PEOPLE TO SAVE ARE PEOPLE AND ARE CULUTURE AND WAY OF LIFE JUST BC WE DONT LIKE THE WHITE MANS GOD AND WAY OF LIFE AND CULTURE THAT SIR IS TRUE INGNORANCE AN I HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILYS BLOOD LINE DIES OUT SOON AND NEVER SEE YOUR GODS HEAVENS
User avatar #25 to #23 - goochmaster (03/29/2013) [-]
^This, a thousand times
#16 to #8 - markowuzhere (03/29/2013) [-]
4/10 for effort
#74 to #16 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
Effort? He successfully trolled dozens of people.
#17 to #16 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
I'm not trolling... i'm completely serious. So because you don't agree with what I said you automatically call me a troll? I'm allowed to have a differing opinion.
User avatar #43 to #17 - dapianoman (03/29/2013) [-]
No, you're not, silly anon.
#51 to #43 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
I am. but ok that's fine don't believe me, continue thinking everyone with a different opinion than yours is a troll. That's very close minded of you to not think about another persons opinion.
User avatar #55 to #51 - dapianoman (03/29/2013) [-]
It's very close minded of you to go around declaring your opinion, knowing full well that it could offend a lot of people. And yet you accuse me of being close minded, because I defend these people and their lifestyle, which you know nothing about. Obviously you haven't taken a U.S. history class or a world geography course. 2/10 go be stupid somewhere else
#60 to #55 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
You weren't defending anything in that post. And people are too damn sensitive these days.
User avatar #63 to #60 - dapianoman (03/29/2013) [-]
"people are too damn sensitive these days"
get a load of this guy
User avatar #14 to #8 - srskate (03/29/2013) [-]
that awkward moment when someone who doesn't know shit about history starts talking like they know shit about history.
#19 to #14 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
That awkward moment when someone makes a claim without explaining or defending it. What did I say that was wrong?
User avatar #26 to #19 - srskate (03/29/2013) [-]
Lack of technology != uncivilized.
The native americans were actually pretty damn civil when Columbus came around. To them, columbus was just some smelly foreigner (Did i mention that Europeans weren't really into cleanliness at this point while the Native americans were?)

And they may have scalped some people (although tales of it were highly exaggerated), but the american military raped their women and committed genocide against their people.

Others have already pointed out that they had to teach the first settlers how to survive. Thats on top of them cultivating the land from coast to coast. To top it all off, they had a city bigger than london back before they got wiped out by plague discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/uncovering-americas-pyramid-builders#.UVYSV1eFUXk.

Just on a side note: A problem some early settler captains had was settlers ditching to go shag some indians.
#30 to #26 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
... when did anyone say anything a bout technology making them uncivilized? What made them uncivilized was their way of life. They ran around half naked screaming at animals and worshiping trees... how fucking stupid are you praying to a god damn tree? Also they spent their whole days getting high and believing they can talk to spirits... but that's what happens when you rot your brain away on drugs, you start seeing/hearing things. There wouldn't have been any genocide if they would have just listened to us and moved. Actually a lot more natives would be alive today if they would have just listened. It's their fault their people were wiped out. Yeah they originally helped us but we used them until we no longer had a use for them. Once we figured shit out we did the smart thing and got rid of all the native americans.
User avatar #87 to #30 - danniegurl (03/30/2013) [-]
The Native American's did not all run around half naked. While the men did wear less, they were covered where necessary, and many tribes had shirts for the men. Women also typically wore a dress, in which they were fully covered.
There are modern religions that believe that everything in nature has it's own spirit, such as Shintoism.
Hinduism and Buddhism as well have deities closely related with trees.
Are you going to say the Romans were uncivilized because they believed in nymphs, dryads, and nyads?
Also, many people believe that they can commune with spirits, and although it might not be chanting around a bonfire, or something like that, it definitely still happens (even in your precious, civilized America! p.s. I'm also a white American)
In reference to how they should have "just listened to us and moved," where exactly do you suppose they should have gone? We eventually got the whole country, so moving further out west wouldn't have helped them in the end.
And I suppose it would have been better for the Jews to just give themselves up or kill themselves instead of putting the Nazis through the trouble of having to go find them and send them off to concentration camps.
User avatar #45 to #30 - srskate (03/29/2013) [-]
>misunderstanding native american religion, like a boss
did you get all your facts from Pocahontas?
Beside, Europeans worshiped an invisible man in the sky.

They spent some time getting high, because they had a functioning civilization. You can't findtime to get high unless you already have plentiful food, water, and shelter. You also seem to forget the white man's love of beer and other drugs. Hell, we fought a damn war over opium.

As for not moving, thats because we told them to go to one place. Then we are like, yo this place is valuable, lets move em again. Then the moved them again. Then they found gold in this new place, so we wanted them to move again. Thousands of miners flocked to the black hills, where this gold was, and the U.S. took control, in direct violation of the Treaty of Fort Laramie. Then then decided to fuckin shoot EVERYTHING. Even our own government acknowledged this as wrong, hence resistutions were eventually payed.


Additionally, saying its the native american's fault that they died is similar to saying the jews are responsible for the holocaust.
User avatar #89 to #45 - danniegurl (03/30/2013) [-]
wow, i didn't even read your comment before i was done typing my rant, and we made some of the same points and references
User avatar #93 to #89 - srskate (03/30/2013) [-]
yup, facts are universal, its no wonder we used the same ones
#53 to #45 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Getting high was a staple point of their religion. A lot of it involved getting high and talking to spirits. They should have just kept right on moving their little tee pees along or however the fuck you spell it. We wanted the land, they were living on the land, wouldn't move, so we killed them. The holocaust was different, there was no land at stake. And the Jews never got the chance to meet any demands, we gave the Native Americans a chance, they denied. Not our fault. It's complete bullshit that they get restitutions and get free land, their fucking reservations.
#57 to #53 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
It's bullshit that they get a fraction of what they previously inhabited before filthy immigrants who mock and patronise their way of life and have no right of being there in the first place commit genocide, rape and torture? How can you still say anything after this onslaught of logic and reason being shoved down your throat? Humans like you are what hold humanity back, and I hope when you die that it's painful. You're an absolutist and there is no place for people like you in the future.
#66 to #57 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
It's bullshit that they get anything for free. They lost, we won. We shouldn't give them anything. I've said it many times, it's their fault they were all killed. They should have just kept moving, don't fight back, then they wouldn't have been killed. And I can still say things because all the logic and reasoning is wrong. People are just saying "WAH MAH FEELINGS!!!" I'm happy about what happened in the past, it was a good thing. I'm not native american, i'm white. Only positive things came out of it for me. I wouldn't be here today if it hadn't and this great country wouldn't be as great. It had to happen and i'm glad it did.
#69 to #66 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
You had no right to demand that they moved, don't use that shit. That was theirs and you had yours, that's absolute bollocks. They never asked to be invaded or for a fight, they lived happily and you ruined that with all the usual bullshit that results in the shitstain of a planet we have today. I'm not saying America is the source of evil, but it's got evil through it's veins, utter bullshit, your history is all about invasion; you fucktard, America were in the wrong.
User avatar #54 to #53 - srskate (03/29/2013) [-]
so killing people is just dandy if its for land?
even if we promised them the land in a legal document.
twice

your views amuse me
#67 to #54 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Yeah like I said we needed the land and they wouldn't give it up. If they would have listened we wouldn't had had to kill them. It all could have been avoided.
User avatar #85 to #67 - srskate (03/30/2013) [-]
no, we didnt need the land. We had plenty of other land.

Seriously though, your views are just adorable. Cute, honestly
#38 to #30 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
And supposedly this Catholicism, and this Christianity and all sorts is a great example of what they should have believed; right? Because there are no inconsistencies in that either, right? Because believing in spirits and nature is completely uncivilised unlike being Muslim, or being Christian/Catholic/Protestant/fuckingretarded.

Get your facts right, not every single tribe thought the same. America is fucking huge, not all of the U.K was the same religion, not all of one fucking place is the same.
Here, have a look at this: http ://en . wikipedia . org/wiki/NativeAmericanreligion
Take the spaces out, and have a look. At least 8 different religions on that page, just at a glance. 10 different religions, some of their beliefs were supernatural and guess what? SOME AMERICANS TODAY PRACTICE THE SAME, SOME AMERICANS ARE SCIENTOLOGISTS AND SOME ARE INTO EVEN MORE INCONSISTENT AND RETARDED PRACTICES. TLDR; how the fuck can you say Americans are better than the natives because of religion
#58 to #38 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
The majority were superstitious nutcases, that's all that matters. Everything has exceptions but the majority is what matters the most. But i'm not even religious at all so I wont defend any of those religions you listed, but at least they don't revolve around getting high and hallucinating. Or talking to trees... the major ones, not the Scientology type religions you mentioned.
#61 to #58 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Getting high kept them at peace and kept them happy, and don't start individualising yourself because you categorise the natives and the invaders so don't start with that shit here. Superstitious nutcases, a man who was resurrected from the dead, moved a more than likely 2 ton stone and walked on water, made the blind see and saved the world by arriving at one of the most isolated places in the world at the time 2000 years ago and wrote a holy book with so many inconsistencies; this is what the invaders believed in. And at least the superstitions kept the tribes at peace and it was more believable than all that bullshit. Getting high isn't a bad thing, hallucinating never hurt the tribes, and talking to trees is better than stoning women or condemnation to an eternal fire.
#70 to #61 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Spirits are not more believable... They only saw those spirits because they were high out of their minds. They were hallucinating. Also all that getting high did damage to the brain so that added to it. Getting high is a bad thing.
#78 to #70 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
Drinking and smoking tobacco and opium is bad, a lot worse than hallucinating. And yes they are, because it was less inconsistent than the Bible. By a long shot.
#107 to #78 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
You have the most random, and unnecessary hatred towards Native Americans I've ever seen. Congrats, man, troll, Conquistador, I don't even know what to call you.
#110 to #107 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
Actually it was the other anon who hated them, you replied to the one countering the hatred against the natives.
#13 to #8 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
well if you must know if it wasnt for us natives you white people wouldnt have survived in north america we taught you how to farm the lands how to stay warm during the winters and where to hunt and where to scavenge an so you know we did not want to own land bc we constantly moved around so to not destroy the forest over use the land or kill off to many of one animal to throw the ecosystem and so you retarded jackass think about your family roots first before you open you non-educated shit talking mouth
#20 to #13 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Yeah great thing you did for us, but we used you until we no longer had a use. Once we figured shit out we did the smart thing and got rid of all the native americans.
User avatar #12 to #8 - herecomesjohnny (03/29/2013) [-]
and this is why half the world hates america
User avatar #106 to #12 - JoshBauer (03/30/2013) [-]
And this is why I assume that there are no logical people in any other countries in the world. Because all I ever see is fucking idiots like you generalizing a country of 300 million. Oh wait, did I just generalize?
User avatar #103 to #12 - ilikebuttsex (03/30/2013) [-]
Half? More like every other country.
#113 to #103 - anonymous (03/30/2013) [-]
He's right. Mosly 75% of the world hates the U-S.
#21 to #12 - anonymous (03/29/2013) [-]
Elaborate please. What about this explains why the world hates us?
User avatar #56 to #21 - undeadwill ONLINE (03/29/2013) [-]
We claim freedom then kill and persecute everyone.
Shit like that bro
Feels bad.
#9 to #8 - thearcher ONLINE (03/29/2013) [-]
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