Tumblr9. . It bothers me that the intelligence of animals is measured by how willing they are to obey the commands of a human, same gees for students at schools Tumblr9 It bothers me that the intelligence of animals is measured by how willing they are to obey commands a human same gees for students at schools
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#3 - xblueflamex
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But that's not true? Students aren't intelligent for obeying teachers. They're intelligent for being able to understand difficult concepts easily.
But that's not true? Students aren't intelligent for obeying teachers. They're intelligent for being able to understand difficult concepts easily.
#7 to #3 - anon id: c00971e4
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So nieve
#8 to #3 - anon id: 3c7a4e7a
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They're "intelligent" if they can parrot back information easily.
User avatar #12 to #8 - gjaa
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Not necessarily. Although a large portion of education is based on learning and regurgitating facts, exams are also designed to test students' ability to rearrange and manipulate information in order to be able to apply it to abstract scenarios.
#15 to #12 - kingoflulzfool
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I don't believe so... Here in the Merica, It's become more obvious well when i was in HS that they treat them like parrots... If they did as you explained ,  there would be higher cognitive thinking and less tards on this planet yet only few advance, on too that due too natural growth and others are helped by outside help or in some fashion... But each and everyone of us can develop "higher Cognitive" thinking... But due too the repeat/show these cognitive developments don't grow further than a 13 year old person... and the last time for this type of personality to develop is 20 through 25... but it doesn't mean its to late to develop
I don't believe so... Here in the Merica, It's become more obvious well when i was in HS that they treat them like parrots... If they did as you explained , there would be higher cognitive thinking and less tards on this planet yet only few advance, on too that due too natural growth and others are helped by outside help or in some fashion... But each and everyone of us can develop "higher Cognitive" thinking... But due too the repeat/show these cognitive developments don't grow further than a 13 year old person... and the last time for this type of personality to develop is 20 through 25... but it doesn't mean its to late to develop
User avatar #19 to #15 - gjaa
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I think that the reason there are so many tards on the planet is that society tries to keep absolutely everyone well-fed and healthy throughout their entire life, even if a person is a massive leech. In my opinion, we need to start being a lot tougher in terms of education and benefits. I'm from the UK and education is parrot-like in some ways but a lot it abstract thought, well higher tiered questions are. This means that you can do well in school by just listening and repeating but in order to do exceptionally you have to have a naturally high intelligence or you have work stupendously hard. Both of which are somewhat of a rarity.
User avatar #22 to #19 - kingoflulzfool
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true but i can't see it as that harder, at the moment my younger siblings are the next generations new test subjects being taught 2 languages and given more work than i probably had in 1st-5th grades, yet they've stayed the same or more capable of only trying to find the answer through copying what the parents are told , my younger brother can't do problems well , he does well in things, but in work he seems to think its too hard and automatically quits and just copies, reminded me of high school, and they shove the material down there throats same goes for my sister but she seems to be naturally advanced a bit more, but she quits easily as well... That's only part of my observations seems to me nothing can really be developed unless the prejudice compensations are kicked to the curb or objective will never dealt with properly or even barely be scratched ... none the less changed . Sorry for the length
User avatar #24 to #22 - gjaa
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Haha it's fine. In general, being lazy is far too easy in school. Intelligent people can just coast through. It should be that more emphasis is placed on work in school. I'd happily sacrifice a few hours more each day of it meant that revision/homework was significantly reduced and holidays were longer.
User avatar #30 to #24 - kingoflulzfool
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true , believe me I understand , but like i wrote at the end , any attempt to truly change is to leave the prejudice changes far away and keep focused upon the objective... For the basis of any true change to become explicit
User avatar #26 to #24 - alphawolffifteen
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The point of grades is to say to anyone looking at them "This person knows this subject this well." If you worked hard but still don't know it, it would defeat the purpose. That's why with standard grading and such, you can almost always make up tests, and classwork isn't graded. It doesn't matter how much work you've done, if you can prove that you know what you need to know at the end of it all, then the school can honestly place an "A" to represent that you know your ****.
User avatar #23 to #22 - kingoflulzfool
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the objective*
User avatar #49 to #8 - xxiixx
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I've found AP classes to be an exception to this way of thinking. In AP History classes you are tested on how things connect to the past and present and such, not simply regurgitating the past. In AP science classes such as physics and chemistry, you are often taught nothing more than formulas, then on test day you are asked what happens when certain variables are manipulated in certain ways to the system, requiring an abstract understanding of what is actually going on. Math in general isn't simply regurgitating information because you often never see the same problem more than once, you can't memorize all of them.
I do, however, agree that grades themselves aren't an accurate portrayal of intelligence.
User avatar #62 to #8 - neutralgray
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Someone's just angsty because he's not out of school yet. :)
User avatar #93 to #8 - moxmortuus
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Try math courses.
#17 to #8 - anon id: 49cecca7
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Thats not intelligent ********, intelligence is the understanding of what the teachers tell you...
User avatar #36 to #17 - therealtjthemedic
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What is understanding, but parroting what you are told and applying it to yourself?
User avatar #11 to #8 - xblueflamex
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Maybe in grade school history corses, but that's about all.
#13 to #11 - anon id: 3c7a4e7a
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Sort of, but it continues up through high school. You don't really do any critical thinking unless you go on to college.
#37 to #3 - stoneddolphin
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No how about their "intelligent" because they can remember and reiterate information out of a text book.
No how about their "intelligent" because they can remember and reiterate information out of a text book.
#39 to #37 - anon id: 4b6df86c
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Don't worry, it changes once you get to high school.
#40 to #39 - stoneddolphin
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I am in high school.
User avatar #25 to #3 - alphawolffifteen
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I agree, everyone is always saying "school is just listening and reading and 'parroting' back information," as though it requires to level of intelligence. If you take AP courses, for example, it requires an advanced level of learning that no where near represents that. The reason a lot of people say these things is that they may not enjoy school for that fact that what you learn there can be applied anywhere. They find it to just be boring fact memorization and formula memorization, however ever since I began school I always connected what I learned to the real world and connected the dots between everything, so memorization is used rarely because things just make sense. Under this system everyone is stuck in, it seems almost every teacher has fallen into it as well, but if you really try you can truly understand everything easier.
User avatar #5 - mylazy
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I once watched a documentary that showed the 10 "smartest" animals. Most of them weren't even pets that are regularly kept. Some were, like the dog, which I think was #9 on the list. One of them was a bird that adapted to the human use of cars. It figured out that cars stop periodically at certain places, so it would take nuts with a hard shell, drop it in the road and leave it until a car cracks it open. Then it would, when the cars have stopped, eat the nut. Not even close to measuring its intelligence based off of how well they listen to humans. School isn't really like that either. Sure, you probably won't get good grades if you don't listen to the teacher, but that is because the teacher is giving you the information that will be required to pass the test. Take the right classes and you will actually be forced into some critical thinking which detaches even further from the concept that intelligence is measured based off of how well you listen to the teachers.
#9 to #5 - anon id: 48618137
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the bird was a crow, part of the Corvid family of birds, they'v also been known to be able to count to 5, and use simple tool's.
User avatar #44 to #5 - rarityrarityrarity
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What documentary was that? it sounds interesting
User avatar #59 to #44 - mylazy
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Can't remember it's name. It was on the discovery channel a few years ago. That is about a specific as I can get...Sorry, I am not good with names.
User avatar #14 - fernand
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Animals aren't intelligent. Not a single animal has a theory of mind. The closest any animal ever came to being humanly intelligent were the chimpanzees Washoe and Nim Chimpsky who were taught sign language. Even then, after knowing approximately 350 words in American Sign Language neither of them ever ASKED their caretakers any questions. They would never have passed a Sally Anne test for ***** sake.



Sorry, I guess I'm a little pissed off with animals today because my roommate uses my bowl to feed his ******* cat water, even when it has its own water dispenser and hes too lazy to ******* fill it.
User avatar #16 to #14 - demandsgayversion
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Dolphin's might be as smart and freethinking as humans, they just squeak a lot and don't have thumbs.
#21 to #14 - infinitereaper
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I believe many species of dolphin are near our brain size/weight ratio.    
   
I believe they are just as intelligent, or close enough to hold a conversation if we just found some way to communicate. They have language are capable of invention and display plenty of intelligent traits.   
   
They have no written record, thumbs, or way to build history, as such they are free creatures who have no reason to push their own boundaries of personal thought. They have everything they need and simply live.
I believe many species of dolphin are near our brain size/weight ratio.

I believe they are just as intelligent, or close enough to hold a conversation if we just found some way to communicate. They have language are capable of invention and display plenty of intelligent traits.

They have no written record, thumbs, or way to build history, as such they are free creatures who have no reason to push their own boundaries of personal thought. They have everything they need and simply live.
User avatar #34 to #21 - TwistedBamboozler
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Don't know why you got thumbed down. Dolphins are by far the most intelligent creatures I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with.
#80 to #34 - anon id: 7b19429e
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Sometimes a group of dolphins will single out a lone female and then just rape her. Dolphins aren't much better than humans, they just lack the hands necessary to be as much of a threat as us.
#27 to #14 - tehphire
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Animals are intelligent. Just in a different way.
User avatar #32 to #27 - kievaughnb
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That's a nice quote and all, but intelligence is intelligence. There's no such thing as a different way to have superior cognitive abilities. Organisms are unique and to some, beautiful, yes, but our uniqueness is in our intelligence. Few animals can come close.
User avatar #31 to #14 - elbrysobrony
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Have you SEEN the **** that crows can do? ******* ridiculous, I tell you.
User avatar #33 to #14 - TwistedBamboozler
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What about dolphins, the octopus, parrots, gorillas . . . All of these animals have a sense of self. Scary huh? These animals are ******* stupid smart.
#35 to #14 - lolibear
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Animals are intelligent they just aren't AS intelligent. Intelligence isn't something you have or you don't it's all on a spectrum, and many species actually can come pretty close to us. Those monkeys that were taught sign language were able to accurately communicate with their trainers, if that isn't intelligence, I don't know what is. And studies have shown that when comparing children versus apes *of the same age, but given their lifespan, different maturity* there were some subjects where the apes displayed better cognitive skills.
User avatar #41 to #14 - departed
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They are intelligent, we just aren't sure if they're sentient.
#43 to #14 - hillbillypowpow
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Well theory of mind is the knowledge that others know things you don't and vice verse, right? Well Koko the gorilla that was tought sign language once blamed her kitten for breaking the sink when researchers asked her about it (as I'm sure you've seen tons of times on here in weird fact comps). Wouldn't this imply that she thought that she had the knowledge of her breaking the sink and the scientists didn't?
User avatar #52 to #14 - niedzielan
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Washoe and Nim Chimpsky were common chimpanzees, a great deal less intelligent (at least by our standards) than pygmy chimpanzees. Look up the Kanzi experiments by Savage-Rumbaugh. They use word-symbol association (since chimpanzees don't have the appropriate vocal chords for human speech) to communicate. While their language development is significantly slower than that of a human child's, they can still be compared to humans in terms of intelligence unlike the common chimpanzees.
You can look a bit more in-depth here:
http://www.holah.co.uk/study-detail.php?slug=savagerumbaugh
User avatar #97 to #52 - fernand
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Thanks, I didn't know about that. But still, after going through it, I still haven't found any mention of them having a sense of self. They don't know that other beings may have more information than they do. Still an interesting read, so thumb for that.
User avatar #20 to #14 - dancingdoggy
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But notice how you say "humanly intelligent"... why do humans assume that human intelligence is the best kind of intelligence?... maybe there are better types out there that we can"t comprehend...
User avatar #98 to #20 - fernand
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I think therefore I am. We as humans are able to comprehend, however minutely, our place in nature. I did infer that it is the best, that's true. I didn't intend to. But still, can you tell me of an intelligence that is better as of right now? Another species that can think like we do?; Or better? Can they empathize with other members of their species? That have the ability to seek self actualization?
User avatar #60 to #20 - neutralgray
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Well, as far as the animals we do comprehend to exist, none of them can use their mind to adapt to environmental/situational changes that Mother Nature and our evolutionary course wouldn't allow naturally.
#28 to #20 - sackit
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Just like OP is a intteligent human in sucking Dicks
Just like OP is a intteligent human in sucking Dicks
#38 - anon id: 4b6df86c
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Lol because you can totally teach without telling people anything.

"OMG LOL WE JUST GO TO SKEWL 2 B ANIMALS SKEWL IS 4 FOOLS LOL XD IM 12"
User avatar #51 to #38 - pepemex
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so defending the establishment is the new edgy now?
User avatar #58 to #51 - schneidend
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It's more that people with sense realize that those who just blindly hate authority are *********.
#42 to #38 - captainwow
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"I'm a 14-year-old Anarchist atheist on the Internet. I don't get why people don't take me seriously."
#68 - ghouleyed
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That's why it's said that dog is more intelligent than cat but i think it's other way around couse cat obeys human if it feels like it and aren't stupid enough to be slaves like dogs.
#82 to #68 - anon id: 9bb90a34
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Cats are independent and only stay with you as companionship or as long as it's beneficial to them. Definitely the smarter of the two.
#96 to #82 - atma
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Everything with a thought process only does things that are beneficial to them, as far as I can tell
Everything with a thought process only does things that are beneficial to them, as far as I can tell
User avatar #87 to #68 - peanutbuttahjellah
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Well dogs aren't stupid it's just that they're pack animals like humans. Cats are very solitary in the wild. Both are intelligent but in different ways.
User avatar #55 - berkut
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Found the vegan.
#83 to #55 - anon id: 9bb90a34
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How is that relevant?
User avatar #99 to #83 - berkut
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How are you releveant to my comment?
#57 - DrollHumor
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#73 - anon id: c297a14c
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dogs are stupid for obeying us? How is their nearest cousin doing right now? Oh right, wolves are nearing extinction. We feed them, care for them, take them to the hospital, take them out for walks, and essentially, deify them (same goes for cats, I guess).

Point being that house pets assured their survival by becoming out bitches (no pun intended). I'd love to live the life of my dog, no stress, sleep all day, walk outside, ****, eat, cuddle, repeat.
#79 to #73 - anon id: 9bb90a34
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You wouldn't mind being somebody else's property with no room for your own independent thought?
#95 to #73 - neoexdeath
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They are...For now...But Gaia's Reckoning is at hand...
User avatar #84 to #73 - onemoreaddictingam
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I don't know if wolves are nearing extintion but if they are it's because of us, humans. Whether it's us ******* up the environment, killing them off, or destroying their habitat. It's not because they're stupid or because of their own fault.
User avatar #75 - katypower
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My cat is just stupid because he runs into windows at night.
#72 - comanderspy
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inteligence should not be based on following commands, for a free thinker, a man, chooses... a slave obeys. obeys every order, be it good or bad, for his benefit or not, for he is nothing other than a mere slave.