Steubenville Rape Case Guilty Verdict

in Canada the maximum sentence for a sex offender is 7 years per offense. Seeing as how girls have to deal with that shit for a lifetime its not enough. especially since they get their own special sex offender unit. There isn't really justice in that kind of shit. it sucks.

But they're also going to have this on their record for the rest of their lives.

Whenever they go for a job interview, they're going to show up as a sex offender and they're could-be employer will immediately know they raped a girl earlier in their lives.

I never said I was pissed off at the western world.

I merely stated the truth.
Take, for example, someone killing another man. It is called murder. That person who was murdered was someone's son or daughter. The murderer is killed. There is no sense of "justice" in that. All you have is another dead body, and the world isn't any better off.

What do you mean "regret sex decisions"?

She was so entirely unconscious she couldn't MAKE decision. How can she regret a decision she didn't make?

They should have went to actual adult prison and she would get at least 5 yrs. probation. as well as the owners of the home that the party happened at.

I totally agree. I think she should get in trouble for underage drinking but those kids are rapists now.

That's why we know rape was never a problem in the middle ages when such gruesome murders were commonplace. Nope, never an issue

Dude, I agree with what you're saying in principal, but it's pretty insensitive to bring it up in this context. She wasn't "too drunk to say no" she was "too unconscious to say anything at all." They literally carried her out of that party to rape her, then the town covered it up because the guys were on the football team. Now people are talking about how those boys' lives are ruined forever, as if by some youthful indiscretion like shoplifting.

Those boys raped that girl - the poor thing is probably going through an unbelievable amount of trauma. Do you think she'll ever be able to trust anyone again? Do you think she'll be able to function normally in large social situations? I hope so, but it seems so unlikely. The media's portrayal of the course of events has been shallow at best, and dangerously misogynist.

Now's not the time for us to talk about the finer points of Rape legislation. Now is the time for us to come together as a community and let this girl know that she did nothing wrong. This is not her fault. The boys that perpetrated this against her were morally bankrupt individuals who are getting off light being tried as minors. She has not robbed them of their future, they have robbed her of her innocence. And we, as a society must not tolerate it.

I admitted i didn't know much about the context. I'm just stating in general. I haven't been really following the case, but I'm just sick of hearing about it. If she was drugged and raped, which is apparently what happened, I'm sure she doesn't relish this publicity.

That being said, from what i heard, she had to be carried out. I've only been that drunk once in my life, and i remember NONE of it. I'd bet everything i own that a decent percentage of those drunken "too drunk to say no" women don't remember what actually happened and to avoid embarrassment claimed rape.

Again, I'm not specifically talking about this case here, just in general. My initial post seems that it did not get out the message I had intended.

Nonono I think she should know that she is in the wrong for something. She's 16 and drinking. I think what she really needs to know is that those boys were the ones who did wrong. But I also think she should still get punished for underage drinking. But those boys are rapists now.

You don't think what happened to her was punishment enough? I doubt she'll be drinking again any time soon.

yeah, considering the actual facts of the trial, i'd say the police should forego the whole underage ticket deal.

There are no exigent circumstances that excuse rape.

This is what im talking about, at no point did i say they should be excused or that rape is good, people are two blind to be morally right that they just attack anything counteracting the 'general' opinion. i merely remarked upon the fact that CNN didnt do anything wrong in showing the slightest bit of empathy, 3 people have ruined lives, the girl and the 2 convicted. the two convicted brought it on themselves, but it doesn't mean that their lives aren't ruined.

"when i was 17 i was homeless and stole a few loaves of bread to survive and went to prison"

You were trying to get us to admit (internally, or externally) that crime is not universally wrong, and that the law sometimes doesn't see the whole picture. In your mind, that doubt will cause us to reevaluate what we feel is going on.

The problem is that there is no situation in which rape is excusable (like stealing bread when you're homeless, Aladdin).

What we're pissed off about is not a dispassionate assertion that these boys are fucked. They are fucked, and we're glad about it. We're pissed off that the media sympathized with them and painted it as if it was unfair that their life was ruined. It characterizes what they did as youthful indiscretion, rather than the highly illegal and damaging thing that it was. It's wrong to downplay the vile actions of these boys, and that's what we're upset about.

why does everyone take that out of context?

that was not a point at all of us trying to admit that crime isnt universally wrong, it was me showing the person above that comparing incomparable situations isnt an argument.

AGAIN I NEVER SAID RAPE WAS EXCUSABLE

My argument was that its retarded that people will become so bloodthirsty and passionate about their personal morals that they fail to see anything contradicting them, even when its for something bigger than there own values.

While you have shown me why everyone is so upset about it, you're effectively silencing free speech once you complain that a few people on a news station didnt have the same opinion as yours.

Everyone is not taking it out of context. The problem you have is that I'm applying the context of this conversation to that statement, which I feel is only fair. If that's not what you meant, then you should work on message delivery.

And yes, people do get passionate about their morals - that's what makes them morals. So in some ways your argument is accurate (Just look at the right wing over gay rights, or the 99% movement on wealth distribution). However, it doesn't apply in this situation for a litany of reasons.

First, this isn't a case of people's differing morals affecting only themselves. We don't live in a vacuum, and a good and conscious person ought to think about what they say before they say it. This girl has been getting death threats from relatives of the boys who raped her, alleging that it is her fault that these boys' lives are ruined. Centering the national conversation on how tragic it is that these boys ruined their own lives rather than on how tragic what happened to the victim is dangerous. At the very least, it gives these people delivering death threats the feeling that maybe, just maybe, they're right. At the very worst, it threatens to degrade the way we as a nation see rape legislation - possibly causing us to reconsider the mandatory sex offender registration, or placing more lenient penalties in place. Just look at Treyvon Martin. The center of conversation in that case was Florida's "Stand Your Ground" laws. Now they're being reviewed in the whole country.

Second, and perhaps more importantly - it's not silencing free speech. They're legally entitled to say what they want about the case. We're legally entitled to feel that what they said was poorly phrased and ask for an apology. Whether they choose to give that apology, or people like you choose to defend them on the internet, is irrelevant. It is perhaps the greatest triumph of free speech that we've the right to tell our media that they're wrong, and we deserve an apology.

So, by that logic, I needed some pussy, so it's okay to rape someone? Comparing rape and theft are like apples and oranges.
Those boys lives aren't ruined, no one ruined their lives. They were idiots who decided to fuck up their own lives, they don't deserve sympathy. Yes, it's a country of free speech, but it's also a country with laws, and in my own personal opinion, rape is unforgivable, no punishment is enough. Having their lives ruined is the best thing that could've happened to them if you ask me.

you dont seem to get the point, 'by that logic', i was merely repeating what the anon said, i agree, apples and oranges.

it not an argument about rape, its about ignorance.

they did fuck up there lives, thats a given, all CNN was show the slightest bit of empathy for them and everyone acts like they just said hitler did nothing wrong.

again, its more the idea that 100,000+ people will sign a petition asking for a petty apology immediately after the event, rather than signing one the will for example, help our environmental wellbeing in the long run meaning we dont kill ourselves.

your all ignoring the fact that if she wasn't drinking while she WAS UNDERAGE this wouldn't of happened

when did he say that?

Or except for the part drinking doesn't imply getting so drunk you can barely comprehend what's going on around you. Besides, the rate of girls getting 'raped' to girls that don't get raped when they get black-out drunk are pretty skewed to the latter. So frankly, if she was just really drunk, then it's not rape with consent. BUT, because she was UNCONCIOUS, then it is indeed rape, and they deserve to be charged.

i never said dont go through life not drinking but how bout not drinking till your the legal age? that sound good enough for you? and the guy who responded to you earlier was right she didn't have to drink so much that she passed out.

Reason, and contrition on the internet - from an anonymous poster no less. Thank you for giving me hope.

I completely agree that, if under the influence a girl has sex and, later regretting it, calls rape it is wrong. I also agree that a women who is inebriated of her own choice, that is lured into bed with a man, should not be able to say it's rape with the singular only statement of, "I didn't say yes". However, in this circumstance, "Jane Doe" wasn't being a "loose woman". She didn't lead these boys on or get so hog drunk that she crawled into bed with them. Her intoxication was out of her control because she was slipped drugs. At that point she had no chance of saying no. Those boys took away her chance to say no and that is why this is considered a rape case.

regardless of force or not, IF IT'S NOT CONSENSUAL, THEN IT'S RAPE
i never understood why so many people don't get this

Sure, she is at fault for being drunk.
But let's say, there was a bank, and for whatever reason, the security is off and there's no one there to stop you. And you take all the money.
Would "No one told me not to!" be a reasonable excuse? At the end of the day, you STILL robbed the bank.
In this case, let's assume she wasn't drugged, and just simply passed out from drinking. Does that mean it's OKAY? To take off her clothes, to take pictures, sexually assault and rape her? To call her a slut and tell her it's HER fault she's a victim?

I bet you agree with CNN's coverage too? How these poor boys had their lives meaninglessly ruined? How they had such a bright future? Well, maybe they did, but they sure did fuck it up. There's something terribly WRONG with society when it's okay to take advantage of someone who can't even defend themselves.

There is also evidence that she was drugged and one of the boys had an email saying the drugged her. She might have drank, but she was unwillingly intoxicated and, in Ohio, that is an offence punishable by law. She could not say yes of her own volition so it is a rape, though I doubt she would have said yes to being dragged around and fucked by multiple guys while they took pictures and sent them to their buddies in any case.

How in God's name is that bullshit? She literally could NOT do anything to say no or to deny them. Fuck, one of her ex boyfriend's Tweeted something along the lines of "Nobody messes with Cody Saltskins" or something like that. They did all kinds of terrible things to her. How does this make her a "loose woman"?

Got one!

she was completely passed out.

Well one I'd like to know that "Rly?" means. Second it's how my father would have done things.

I would thumb you up, but I think I am thumbbanned for some reason.

hfs?

Holy Fucking Shit.

can you tell me more about it? all i can find is that it was two football players raped a drunk girl, and CNN made it more public than necessary.

prinniefied.com/wp/steubenville-high-school-gang-rape-case-firs/

That's what I can find. Apparently, this girl passed out at a party, and these guys removed her (physically carried her away) and had sex with her unconscious body. They filmed it, put it on youtube, and tweeted about it. Then, because they happened to be star football players, whoever found out about it chose to cover it up.

There's been a lot of outcry because the media has been saying something along the lines of "It's so sad that these boys' lives are ruined, they'll be sex offenders forever!" Most of us disagree. Most of us think these boys are sex offenders, and should be registered as such. Most of us don't give a shit about how hard their life is gonna be, because it pales in comparison to what they did to this girl.

thanks for summarizing

well, they are stupid though... i mean, who the fuck uploads that stuff to the net... and tweets about it...

Women claiming rape isn't the issue here. The issue is multiple teenage boys took advantage of a girl that was unconscious. Yes, she did drink, but I doubt she was planning on passing out and getting violated.

The boys dragged her around to different parties, raping her at each one, and also in the car while going to these parties. They assumed she was dead, left her stranded, and even mocked her in a twelve minute video they recorded RIGHT AFTER they had brutally violated her. These boys should have gotten a worse punishment, because they got off fairly easy for what they have done.

this is not one of them

Just google is, theres tons of stories.