Cool shiz

i feel like an idiot for not getting this

is this a van gogh/sphinx/picasso joke or something?

It's from spongebob.

idk man, idk

Or is this a DLC-joke?

Am I the only one that doesn't give a shit about how realistic a game looks? I mean, fuck, I'd be fine if they just had graphics of a high-end sixth-generation console game, low-end seventh-generation console game if they'd just make the game good. Graphics don't mean much when the gameplay is shit. =\

I dont really give a shit either, but i do admire a game that the developers have obviously put a lot of effort into making. The way it looks makes it obvious, i can enjoy something that people have put a lot of hard work into.

But graphics can go a long way in terms of how immersive it is, like say pokemon red, it is a fucking fantastic game, but in terms of the journey and destination and all that jazz, it is not that immersive. Skyrim, on the other hand, not only has a story that is bad ass, but it's gameplay is addicting as cocaine, and one of the reasons why the gameplay is at it is, is because the graphics don't erect this big ass wall between the game and the player, it blurs the gap between fantasy and reality just enough for the players, so that they may get lost in the game.

So yes, gameplay is a huge factor in making a game, but graphics still take an active part, I mean would you really want to play Skyrim if it was on the origional attari?

"Sony then showed us the future. The future is an old man with lovely eyes."

I still think it's funny that these tech demos with the same amount of detail have been on PC for the past 6 years.

"the future is an old man with lovely eyes"

not the pedo stare man again

True, but we're speaking of the highest possible model quality obtainable with those 60000 triangles. It's the hardware/software limits that are being described, not the artist's limits.

But the point is not that the limit is 60000 triangles. The point is that the technological advances that are applied to graphics become less and less relevant as time goes on. In the case of your example, if the number of triangles was a hundred times more than it is now, then the difference between those two models would be much less than if you compared the original with a model that had a hundred times less triangles.

Depending on the game engine facial models have 800-2k poly's a whole body will have 2500 or lower, because the LOD does not have to be that detailed. Where you see all the fine details is from the texture artist. This includes ambient inclusion and noise levels for the bump and light diffuse. You want to keep a model around 3k verts, and have an amazing texturing . This model that you see is under 160 tris or triangles. you can see the un textured model is flat but how could it make shadows? What makes it look real is the baked in shadows meaning that the shadows are not being made by the actual light source like that of a real world object, like there is something in the way of the light path. but the position of the light itself the shadows are already pre made and placed on the texture it self. Think of a changing picture. that changes its "shadow" from where the light source is positioned.

The PS4 model that you are talking about is pre rendered meaning that a computer already rendered all the scenes and it took longer then the video itself probably a lot longer maybe even 20 min for one scene and there are usually 30 scenes in a second. The PS4 does not have that good of specs and even if it did because of the cell processer in the ps3 alot of developers could not make engines and code for the ps3 thats why the 360 had alot more games in the begining. In the begining of the ps3 all you could play were offical sony games because they were the only ones that could code for such a system. But now you see other game engines opening up to the ps3 but that limited the progress for software advancments for sony. So to get real game time graphics such as the one you are talking about will take a long time. my guess another 8 years.

You also have to remember that that is just the face, I can bet that it is taking up all most all of the power of the machine to run, if that is true what else could it run?

It wasn't pre-rendered. The whole point of that showcase was that the model was generated in real-time by the PS4 prototype that Quantic Dream got their hands on. If it were pre-rendered, there'd be no point in that demo at all, because we've all already seen the same and even superior level of realism in game cinematics and movies.

Oh, yeah That would be so weird if a company tried to over hype something...

In my personal opinion it was pre rendered because you also have to look at computer gaming. My computer was over 3k to make and its top of the line and I mean TOP of the line. But even though I there are only a handful of games that achieve that level of detail. in the face. DMC, LA Noir. and thats because it recorders your face and puts that to a mesh on the model. So in short if they can achieve that LOD on games in less then a year why cant the do it on my computer now?
If you go back and re read my post about how the software with sony is only just getting started with third party companies then you would be able to understand that that level of programing would take a team of over 300 a few year.

And again even if it is just a face being rendered by the Ps4 that is the system at max output, so in reality thats the whole systems ability if you want that level of detail. They already released the specs and they are not that good.

Exactly my point - even L.A. Noire already has that level of realism in terms of facial animation, and it's only uphill from there when PS4 arrives. Quantic Dream specialize in cinema-like games, and it would be in their best interest to develop a realistic engine like that.

wait, i know you.
you make new weapons for fallout NV.

What program have you used for that?
I'm creating 3D models as well and I'd like to know what is the most suitable program for doing stuff like you did.

Autodesk 3ds Max

Alright. Nice. Thanks. I just started to work in 3ds Max recently. The wardrobe was made in AutoCAD. :)
Ok, thanks

I dont shit about this, but is all graphic in games made out of triangles? I have seen some high res mods that says they add triangles. I am highly curious as to how this sorcery works

Do companies actually use models with numbers that high for stuff? Got any examples? Very curious.

Well they not use them in high poly, for example: name any character you like of this generation and in the game may look bad of need more polygons but when that char was created they made a high poly model and for the game use a low poly model, added texture with shadows, folds if he/she is wearring clothes and other stuff, then with a second texture called normals, they added the "depth" in the folds, holes or buttons.
So what you are seeing is just a low poly model with effects.

Gears of war, halo, crysis, skyrim and other games that you may think that have a lot of polygons are just low poly model with good textures.

<--- this is a poor example but it show what I'm saying, a very low poly model with a texture that already have the cracks and stuff like that

world of tanks fails to do this and just whips straight motherfucking 512 mb ram from your graphics card to create all them models. even on low, all they do is lower the graphics- not the polygons by a whole lot.
this game sucks my computers dick more than league of legends, which should do worse...
WoT- 10 Frames
LoL-35-40 frames.

A game with good art will last for years. Shit, Wind Waker was made ten years ago and it it'd be passable if they released its original version today. Though for some reason, they're rereleasing it with a more modern graphics engine on the Wii U. Personally, I'd rather see that treatment with Majora's Mask, but whatever.

I tend to agree with you on this. As time goes on, I think it will become less about who can fit the most polygons on a screen and more about the presentation. I think Okami is one of the nicest looking games I've ever seen. We might also see a shift back towards quality storytelling once we plateau on graphics.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Crysis 3 and the demos of Unreal Engine 4 are impressive, but progress is really slowing down. It might be more effective for software developers to make the most of what we have until there is a big hardware leap.

"but a billion times more fun to look at than CoD or Battlefield"

I could name you from the top of my head probably 10 games that look a lot better (and actually have ART in their graphics) than those 2. Seriously, BF3 may look good for the size of its maps, but that's it.

It was merely an example.

Mirror's Edge, there's another one.

Frankly I liked... no, LOVED Assassin's Creed: Revelations for its depiction of Istanbul/Constantinopole.
Granted, Firenze from AC2 will always be another favorite, so much better than the blue-ish Venezia (although the Doge's Palace is MMMMMotherfuckingly beautiful) or Toscana.
And... I cannot describe the HUGE feels that I got when I first played The Witcher 2 on my upgraded PC, with most of graphic details to the max. God-DAMN!
I also heard that Skyrim recently got a graphics mod that really makes it look sweet.

But hey, I also enjoyed a lot the semi-cartoonish looks from Brutal Legend (really nice vistas and imagination in Level Design & Level Art, fucking awesome), so...

oh i'm sorry, did i hit you in the nostalgia?

shittiest comparison ever

wow, so your comeback is "your mom" so funny

You're stupid.

...yes.

Yes they can.

They're still gonna be better.

hey, its not about the graphics but processing power, try running planetside 2 on a ps3 system

It kind of is about graphics. Yes, you do need a good processor but without a good graphics card, it'll look like shit

well yeah i guess a 3000 people per map game that looks like counter strike 1.6 would defeat the point, but with prosessing power come graphic capabilities

I hear you bro! Some people just forget about that

I don't care about realistic graphics because they tend to show age much faster than something with stylized graphics

Today I played some Okami and shit was still cash. Is this what you're talking about?

yeah

news.mmosite.com/content/2011-08-03/atom_technology_the_gaming_revolution,1.shtml

Link pl0x?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4

Cheers.

=] Just spreading the knowledge.

I saw that!

That particular fractal is called the Mandelbrot Set, I've made a program that generates that image from any "zoom" into the fractal.

<- A zoom

Stare into the center of this for 30 seconds, then look at the .gif posted above.

Ok, it's too monday for me right now. Someone, is this the Mandelbrot set, or just a Julia set?

Mandelbrot set

Ty. Some of the Julias look pretty similar.

well I think so atleast, not 100% on this

Is fair. As said, it is Monday. I'm leaning towards Mandelbrot myself.

Not too mention most people don't stop and fuckin' stare at the detail long enough to care. I like pretty games, images, videos, and other stuff; but I do not actually take the time to admire the details as they would like me to. Although, in some games I play I will screenshot some of the more awe-inspiring places.

also, the graphics aren't the big part of the ps4. really they won't be much different from the ps3. what DOES have a big change, is how particles are rendered and behave in the world. Essentially, they're beefing up the physics engine. To try and code something into having real-world physics, you would need unimaginably powerful hardware just to do it for one acre of virtual space. PS4 is sony's attempt at getting closer to better physics capabilities.
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Its funny how you assumed so much of me with only 2 sentences. This was a small comment I made during that conversation. The rest was guessing what the new Xbox was going to have and our opinions on the Wii U

and that's your only post... you never discussed anythign else lol

"assumed so much"
all I said is that you're a graphics whore
if you don't think that's true then who cares what I said, get over it

I was gonna let it slide until you responded again.

You're right!
We could be bored in !!Full HD!!!

Fuck this stupid underlining system.

you're both graphics whores.