Nobody cares.

I hate how funny junk judges vegetarians without looking into it for a second. I find it sad and disturbing that young kids who once loved animals and would be upset to see one hurt, now laugh and make a mockery over the suffering and slaughter of animals.

“For the animal kingdom, the Holocaust never ended.”

I don't think most of the endangered species are ones most people eat on a regular basis. When was the last time you heard of a normal American family eating panda meat? There are typically farms or ranches for popular food like chicken and cows.
And not every animal raised for its resources is abused.
I support your decision to be vegetarian, but don't make it sound like people who DO eat meat are horrible people. That's what makes vegetarians look bad.

its not just for food. its in general the killing

elephants are nearly dead
LIONS are nearly dead
tigers are nearly dead
jaguars barely exist except in zoos
and obviously there are many more.

then for food we pump animals with hormones and stuff that is causing us to get sick and they are killed to near extinction.

hell look at a chicken coop. like 10 chickens shoved into a cage for space sake. baby cows literally chained so they cant walk to keep their meat tender. Not to mention the enormous amount of animals killed off and trees cut down and just i cant even explain it all. I know most of fj is in highschool so none of these issues affect them so they dont care about it but that doesn't mean eating meat like a teen who just found his daddy's gun is right. there still should be checks and balances, or at least MORE checks and balances

Im not eating elephants... dont know about others

unbeliveable. ive lost faith in humanity after dealing with the ignorance of this whole conversation

If you don't want to take up your rightful place at the top of the food chain that's fine, more meat for me.

We're not cavemen with sticks anymore. We've more than proved ourselves as the top predator by wiping out thousands of species and multiplying at a rediculous rate.

Its not about proving ourselves its about being able to eat whatever we damn want to eat. I agree wiping out species shouldn't happen but i don't see the problem with regulated hunting/ fishing and eating animals we breed ourselves.

That's not what the argument is about. It's about factory farming. No one has a problem with humanely raised/killed animals, no one has a problem with regulated fishing. It's the mass breeding, mass slaughter and mass waste that we have a problem with.

again ill repeat. you guys are arguing with me as if i was any vegetarian saying killing animals is wrong.

what can one man do against such reckless stupidity.

Oh so your some sort of special vegetarian? My bad preach all you want then.

Pic related, what i'm cooking up tonight.

i just don't have the same reasoning for vegetarianism as others

All i see is different ways of saying the same thing. You hate how "killing is a business", well newsflash: That's inevitable because everything you could think of is a business, its what makes society go round.

that's kind of the issue. its up to people to say ENOUGH and put a limit. but as well with money there's the phrase you can never have too much money. If you took the whole world and assigned them family roles. I think like britain would be the father, asia would be like the prodigy child. And america would be that 14 year old teen who just wants to see what they can get away with and don't want curfews

So the issue is that everything being a business is why you are a vegetarian? That's some real hippy shit you're spitting out.

Why should people say "enough" exactly? And to what should they say "enough" to?

It's so american to think you're ENTITLED to meat and however much you want. Meat was once regarded as a luxury, animals were only killed for ceremonies. Every part of the animal was used and they were raised and killed with respect. Now we have millions of animals being bred in ass quantities (which is wreaking absolutely havoc on the environment, it takes 13 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat) and for obese americans to consume at buffets until they have to loosen their belts. At the end of the night all that meat is thrown away. 50 years down the road, americans are burdened with the healthcare for all these obese people with heart disease and a hoard of other medical problems associated with eating too much fat and protein. Mean while, people are dying of starvation in 3rd world countries. But by god, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN! This is 'murica. Everyone else should suffer for your selfish luxuries, and you demand it and you FLAUNT it and then you mock them.

like i cant even tell you how offended i am. like i honest to god thought i was making a honest point and it was going fine. then a couple trolls kinda turned it into a war now anything i say is just going to get thumbed down anyway no matter what so i dont see the point in debating anymore. even after trying to stop it before it got out of hand it still did

sorry, *the issue that everything is a business

is that your gf redneck?

Nah your mum's my girlfriend.

im pretty sure you fuck the sheep. because you're a redneck

*Unless what we eat is your mum's vagina

well you fuck sheep

Yeah mate you said that four times, i think you're just about as witty as the sheep i apparently have sex with.

why you fucking sheep then?

Whatever kid, this is you right now...

Stop wasting my time giving me notifications.

im not offended if im being called that by someone who fucks sheep

What's a redneck mate? Dunno what you have heard but where I'm from we don't usually fuck stuff that we eat.

im pretty sure you have never fucked anything but farm animals like that sheep.

Found the vegan.

no you didnt.

You must be real fun at parties.

brb, eating the steak the mom just cooked me... Umad?

Ok, you are horribly naive.

In nature animals normally die from one of three causes;
1, eaten alive. Yep, with a FEW exceptions, most predators do not actually kill their prey before eating them, they disable them. So most critters that get munched on get to experience being torn to shreds, disemboweled, and having their limbs ripped off before they die.
2, slowly dying from infections that overwhelm their immune system, until eventually they die. At least in even industrial farms we put them out of their misery.
3, starvation/thirst. Slowly dying day by day due to lack of basic needs.

Except in the WORST of industrial farms, animals do not suffer this. And most animals when slaughtered for food are given the most humane death possible, due to the fact that animal adrenalin is poisonous to humans. Even in the worst industrial farms, they never have to worry about a lack of food or water. And are given antibiotics to fight off infections (after all, farm owners want to sell food, not throw away dead animals).

This is the problem with vegetarians (at least most), you all live in a fantasy world where animals live a wonderful life in mother nature, and are "respected" by the other animals that hunt them like some fucking animated Disney movie.

Seriously, we may kill animals "casually", but the worst thing that can be said is that (compared to the realities of life in the wild) their lives are no better or worse than they would naturally experience, and in most farms (while still nothing you'd want to put ol' Fido through) are better than their cousins in the wild.

This doesn't even begin to mention the numerous species that only exist today because mankind raises them for food.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

Would've left like 2 minutes in. A beautiful combination of religion and vegetarianism being thrown at me, no thanks you bald cunt

There is no such thing as a humane slaughter. No slaughter house has ever given the "most humane slaughter possible." The only exception is certified kosher meat. Educate YOURSELF.


No, they don't throw away dead, dying or diseased animals, on factory farms they are used for food. There is even a term for them.

How are animals that are produced in mass quantities, who are put in stressful, over crowded environments without ever breathing fresh air, being able to run or see the sun, better off than they would be in the wild?

How about you go watch some youtube videos on how slaughterhouses operate. Follow an animal destined for the grocery store from birth to death.

It's the horrible conditions at laboratories and factory farms that makes people turn to vegetarianism. If an animals was treated with respect and given a proper, quick death, I wouldn't have a problem with that and neither would most other people.

Let me be the one to give you your first green thumb, before the sea of red thumbs hit you.

I agree with all you just said.

Before you tell someone to ''educate yourself'' you should probably know some basic facts...

There is such a thing as a humane slaughter, an animal doesn't care whether it was killed by a predator or a human, but It'd rather be stabbed 1 swift time and die than be eaten alive by something else.

They always throw away the dead, dying or diseased, we humans can't eat sick meat, which means that they won't keep it, if an animal is curable they'll cure it so that they can eventually make food out of it, if not they'll give it a quick death so it doesn't have to go around and suffer.

The areas aren't nearly as cramped as you make them our to be, and they'll often see the sun since it's less expensive to have a large outside environment for them than to build huge buildings of uselessness, and they'll be far better of than in the wild, they'll live their whole life safe from predators and with plenty of food, until one day the get a quick death and that is it.

Youtube videos? I've been reading about this in school, we spent 5 weeks on the subject in fact, I think I know what I'm talking about.

No, people usually turn to vegetarianism to brag about being good and stuff, animals are already treated with plenty of respect and the fact that you don't know this helps my point.

You are totally wrong. Look it up school boy.

Your stated sources for all of your ''facts'' is youtube, which is unreliable at best, you also stated several facts that are contradictory or wrong, so please, get your shit together before you start insulting me.
Also, please use better arguments than ''you are wrong'' and an insult.

No that's not my source, there are thousands of sources, you choose not to look into it because you don't want to know. I never insulted you, I just told you that you're wrong, you're the defensive one.

where are your sources then... or would you prefer that like cavemen we simply beat animals to death with our clubs drag them back to our caves and consume them .

What facts do you want sources for?

i want sources for all the facts and arguments that youre trying to make

I doubt you even read what I said. You're just screaming for sauce. I'll fucking drown you in sauce, ask me something specific. I take it you're simple. Go watch "forks over knives, go watch "food inc" go read "omnivores dilema" go read "the end of food."

Give me a specific one.

awic.nal.usda.gov/government-and-professional-resources/federal-laws/humane-methods-slaughter-act humane slaughter

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJrSF8kewo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju7-n7wygP0

once again this could be like one of a million slaughter houses, this isnt an accurate representation for all slaughter houses.

"the nation's largest industrial farms, hatcheries, and slaughter plants -- revealing the often-unseen journey that animals make from Farm to Fridge."

They went to several of the main ones actually. You didn't even watch it or read the description, this is why I won't bother arguing with you or giving you sources, you clearly don't give a fuck.

Even if it WAS just ONE slaughterhouse, is this acceptable?

they are just animals... if this was people then sure ive care more. but we are the superior species and without a doubt i think that if roles were reversed we would be on the receiving end of the cows or livestock and ourselves be eaten. its a dog eat dog world eat or be eaten you know what i mean ?

good job. A link about humane slaughter. So every factory farm in america uses humane slaughter? You know it's done by machine half the time, right? It doesn't always get the job done.

its more humane than say decades ago.. it takes time to perfect a killing process for animals. But most of the animals aren't of high intelligence so they are more a resource than anything.

The point isn't whether it's more humane than how it used to be. The problem is the way animals are treated on factory farms to feed a society addicted to meat. Just because an animal is of high intelligence, doesn't mean it should be subjected to a life of cruelty. There are better methods to raising meat animals. Animals are still capable of emotions like joy, stress, love and fear.

you look into to much.. its all about the food chain which currently we are on top of. therefore we generally should eat everything below us animals and plants in order to maintain a healthy and balanced diet.

i understand they have emotions... but the rational thinking and thought processes are non existent they cannot for example create something as complex as man can. you cant spent so much time about raising livestock and slaughtering it thats not how corporations work, they need to get produce out there as quick as possible i know it may not be the most humane way but hey its effective.

It's so american to think you're ENTITLED to meat and however much you want. Meat was once regarded as a luxury, animals were only killed for ceremonies. Every part of the animal was used and they were raised and killed with respect. Now we have millions of animals being bred in ass quantities (which is wreaking absolutely havoc on the environment, it takes 13 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat) and for obese americans to consume at buffets until they have to loosen their belts. At the end of the night all that meat is thrown away. 50 years down the road, americans are burdened with the healthcare for all these obese people with heart disease and a hoard of other medical problems associated with eating too much fat and protein. Mean while, people are dying of starvation in 3rd world countries. But by god, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN! This is 'murica. Everyone else should suffer for your selfish luxuries, and you demand it and you FLAUNT it and then you mock them.

how do you think cavemen killed their prey.. as we are derived from them its no different we kill to fill ourselves just as the cavemen and our predecessors once did.I like it how you assume im american where youre in fact wrong.. im from australia. another thing you worry too much about hows the slaughtering of animals will be the death of us when you should be more worried about pollution and our ozone thats more of a concern because its killing our planet more than slaughtering animals.

You are so thick headed, I can't get it through your skull. THERE IS NOTHING WRING WITH EATING MEAT. Let an animal live a natural life, give it a respectful, clean death. Use every part of the animal. The end. I don't know how else to tell you how meat farming ISSSSS polluting the earth, ISSSS ruining the environment. I give up on you, you're like talking to a brick wall. You can't stick with the subject.

this will be last post cause im bored of butting heads with you, but it was fun whilst it lasted. i feel better if i actually get the recommended amount of sleep. You seem to want to argue a whole lot but why argue why cant we have peace . Make love not war.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12 the best source of B12 is animal meat which bacteria present in our body are ready to break down the animals that we consume .. our bodies are designed to eat both meat and plants. It states that most vegetarians have to take supplements to make up for the lack of various nutrients lost by not eating meat.

you make a good argument for why meat eaters are the more superior killers and will dominate this earth muhaha. You make it sound like herbivores are weak whilst carnivores are strong and will most easily dominate over herbivores. personally im an omnivore, so ill eat salad or meat or whatever my body needs to stay healthy.

Okay, now it's just nonsense. You're all over the place man. I wish you the best of luck in all of your endeavors. May happiness slap you in the face and your tears be that of joy.

once again not letting me reply to most recent comment so its here. hey dont get me wrong im a very positive guy and ill do what i can to help the world as best i can, but im also aware that my impact is very insignificant. in the end men will be the end of itself its just how it will happen, war, a technological advancement gone wrong, devoid of planets natural resources. i understand there are a lot of vegetaries/vegans but if everyone becomes them then well probably kill all the plants with our consumption rates also are bodies are built for meat and it provides certain nutrients that are hard to acquire through other means if you were vegetarian youde have to supplement the stuff that you weren't getting from meat and it causes all other problems. ohh every country has its problems. protein is important for cell repair muscle growth and a bunch of other functions.

sorry if my arguments are structure very well or make no sense but im tired and its like 1 am here and im going to sleep. Night my friend

You can't use tired as an excuse. It's 4am here, I live in hawaii. I just spent like 3 hours arguing on FJ, FML right? haha

Sweet dreams you persistent SOB ;-P

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Our bodies AREN'T better built for meat, where are you getting all this from? Yes, we will be the death of ourselves, but why would anyone want to speed that along?

http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment teeth, jaws, and digestive system favors a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."

And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It started with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat. The prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." The chart below compares the anatomy of man with that of carnivorous and herbivorous animals.

When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.

cant reply to those last two comments so ill do it here. The world he talks of cannot exist my friend.. one man cannot make a dfference in this corrupt world of ours. the people will never be in control, men will never be uncruel or not greedy. its in our nature our dna these faults are deep within us.

I never said that it wasnt bad to slaughter animals but in order to make a living we must consume meat at a larger rate that the mass producers can keep up with so animals die in a slightly flawed humane way, meat is meat dont overthink it.

That's exactly the attitude that fucks the world over. Do you think any single movement started with a billion people? Do you think charities are started by a billion people? ONE person starts these things. One person inspires billions. Besides, a lot of countries are at least half vegetarians. They refer to our excess protein diet as the westerner diet, we eat a staggering amount of protein compared to any other country. Other countries don't have the problems USA does.

Im just saying your way of doing things is counter productive we simply cant give attention to each animal it would slow production down way too much to provide any kind of produce, in simpler times each man would hunt for his own food but now the corporations must provide for the population which puts alot of pressure on them to come up with such an amount of meat. Im not changing the subject I am simply giving you different views and other things to think about it. I know where your coming from but animals are only a part of it www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBE5QAYXp8 .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

You're right, producing mass quantities of animals equals mass suffering and excess of meat at the cheapest possible prices. It's called greed, thank you for proving my point. Goodnight.

I don't study psychology, but I don't have to to know that ''school boy'' in that context is an insult.

Then state your fucking sources and don't tell me to go watch some youtube videos, or don't state them, because they're wrong, I visited the place that breeds all the damn chicken in Skaane and I studied the subject for five weeks.
And according to all of this, you're wrong, your facts are made up and argument is essentially: ''Because I'm more right than you are.'' which is a cheaper argument than the universe cause argument.

Your facts are based on what your public school teacher told you once. Does she own a slaughter house? Was that part of her education? There are thousands of activists, thousands of documentaries, book, organizations on the subject. I don't need to explain myself to someone who isn't going to listen. You are in the dark my friend. ONE chicken breeding place you went to doesn't represent them all. It's called factory farming.

Actually no, this was in highschool and our teacher didn't tell us anything, it was part of a larger school project about looking up facts and finding credible sources ourselves, and also, yes, it was a part of his education, just like it was a part of mine, and that one chicken place doesn't represent them all, neither does the one obscure website you found that agrees with you, have you even been to one of these places yourself?

Also, it's a pretty fucking major place I visited I'd just like to point out, also, there are millions of people, tens of thousands of documentaries and books that go against those thousands of activists that take the most obscure and horrible of places and use them as examples.

Also, there are no organizations for supporting my arguments though, because it is accepted as a general fact by the majority of the population.

I'd listen, it's just that I know for a fact that you're wrong and you don't seem to have any evidence to prove that observation wrong, since you're practically avoiding anything such as evidence.

Show me any evidence of the contrary (if you can), and I'll show you a thousand sources disproving that.

The majority of my sources are Swedish, I don't think you understand that but I'll be glad to look for sources that aren't, I am also not going to point out any books because I doubt you'd go and read them.

Of course you're going to be stubborn, of course you won't look into it. No one wants to know the ugly truth, it's gruesome and depressing. It's easier to just look the other way. That's the problem with the world. That's why factory farms exist, that's why this country is so in debt, that's why the great pacific garbage patch exists, etc.

I was looking for sources in a language you could understand, but after reading some more posts I found out that the only language you understand is vegan and everyone who disagrees is wrong, everyone else in this thread has already stacked the proof up in front of you and you just keep insulting us, telling us that ''we're blind in front of the true horrors of this world'' in a nutshell.


So yea, get out or get real.

Quite the contrary. Still no sources from you, what a surprise. Lot's of excuses, no sources. If your evidence is so abundant, where is it? You've only managed to find it in a different language? That's cool. Also, thanks for putting those dramatic words in my mouth, in quotations too, because I totally said that. I also never said I was vegan, and I'm not. Thanks for that too.

Look up, the others have provided sources, look down, more others have provided sources.

MY EVIDENCE IS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE, If you can't believe that I'm not fucking american then would you believe me if I said anything else?

I didn't put the words in your mouth, that's just what you mean, you've made it obvious in debates with me and others that it's exactly what you think, and if you state otherwise you'd contradicting yourself.

You didn't say you were vegan, correct, neither did I, I said you spoke vegan and nothing but that, which means that you won't listen to evidence when it is provided, you'll call people out on it when it isn't and you'll say that everyone who doesn't agree with your views is blind and/or cruel.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

Goodnight.

I didn't say anyone who disagrees with me is blind or cruel, I said that if you think factory farming is humane, then you're uneducated about meat farming. Not everyone who has a different opinion than you is your enemy. If you weren't so defensive and hateful, this could have been a somewhat pleasant discussion.

You see! Right there! ''I said that if you think factory farming is humane, then you're uneducated about meat farming.'' that's what I mean, I can't argue with someone who thinks like this.

Good night and get out, I'm done.

I've educated myself about the subject. I highly doubt you have. I doubt you've read any books that spoke the contrary. Swedish sources? I'm talking about meat farming in america, not Sweden.

You can doubt me all you want, doesn't make you right.

Also, you never said it was america, I'm speaking internationally, not that it matters though, because most of my sources are Swedish, but still speak of america.

Go watch "forks over knives, go watch "food inc" go read "omnivores dilema" go read "the end of food."

Had everything handed to me on a silver platter? Just a sec, I need to go shit myself laughing for a few minutes...

Ok, so I'm back, I'm not going to argue points when you are spreading bullshit, but let me give you a little history on my life.

I grew up in my city's war zone. I've witnessed a drive by shooting (at the age of ten no less). I know the gang signs. The one thing that saved me from ending up in a gang myself is that I joined the United States Coast Guard. I am a Petty Officer First Class (Gunners Mate). I've been in storms with forty foot waves (and taller) in a boat that barely hits 150 feet. Imagine being hit in the back of the head by a sledge hammer every other minute, that's close to what it felt like being in that storm. That was my first cruise back when I was a lowly Seamen Apprentice (straight out of boot camp no less). I've served in Iraq with Coast Guardsmen who were deployed there (inb4 shallow water sailors don't fight, we've fought in every war this country has fought sense the war of 1812, don't believe me? look it up).

But lets ignore that. Back when I was in highschool I washed windows in my neighborhood to make money to buy brand new clothes, a backpack for school, and to pay for lab fees and workbooks and other school supplies (my family was poor, so 90% of our clothes were purchased at a thrift store). I weeded yards to make money to go see a movie every once in a while.

My first car? A 1987 Plymouth Horizon with over 400K miles on it that I purchased with money from my first real job (working at a movie theater). The breaks barely worked, it would randomly stall on me.

Even now I still have yet to own a brand new car, mostly because I send most of the money I make back home to help out my parents, because my mother has been out of work for too long and my father doesn't make too much money, so they have problems making ends meet.

spoiled to high hell that you even lie. lets face it. you are scum. but you are in a world of scum so people are going to agree with you. i on the other hand am a great and clever man and you are just jealous

keep hatin. ill let you haters be my motivators

Yes, I am SO jealous of a vegan, who doesn't have the facts straight, and resorts to personal attacks (because he is such a great and clever man, that he doesn't need facts, no he can just attack other people and that makes him right)!

Grow up little boy. I grew up with nothing. Video games? Ha, the first video game I ever played was Elder Scrolls three Morrowwind. I bought that about three years ago, along with a used xbox from a friend of mine (I actually bought all of his games and the system, for the great price of 150$, yeah, I got ripped the fuck off, but I did it to help him out with some cash and he wouldn't take charity).

Hell, I didn't have a computer until I graduated and bought a computer when I did my tour in an armory, that way I could keep in touch with my folks and friends with out spending money on postage or on long distance phone calls.

When did I ever hate either of you? No, I called the first one naive (which he is, at least from what he was saying). Oh my god, such a horrible insult.

Better to be naive than know what seeing a friend (someone you've served with sense 2006, who you went through boot camp with) die feels like. Better than having grown up in the war zone, having to look over your shoulder, wondering if that guy walking behind you is just another shmuck, or some gangbanger who's going to rob you.

But you know what? I'm glad you get to be naive. I served so you can be a naive little child and hurl insults at people over the internet. If you are so great and clever, then argue the facts. One, even industrial farms try to make the slaughter as humane as possible, because when animals feel pain, they release adrenaline, but animal adrenaline is poisonous to humans. Two, life in the wild sucks harder than you can imagine, harder than anyone short of Hitler deserves.

Now, try again.

And by the way, please show me how I'm hating.

Gif related, its what I'm doing while reading your "arguments".

You racist, arrogant, retarded fuck

If by gun toting redneck you mean logical, educated view, than yeah. Just because someone has an opinion that differs from you doesn't make them a gun toting redneck. There wasn't anything in his statement that sounded like Pro American propaganda. But people should dismiss your views the second you call them "gun toting rednecks." That just proves your bias.

At least we can spell things like "denial"

oh let me give you a job then. you must be some kind of genius with a IQ of 170 if you can do that. WOW im fully impressed. cant believe how smart you are

This is why no one respects your argument. Notice that the closest I have come to insulting you is to point out that arguing the way you do, makes you appear to be stupid. I never called you stupid, merely pointed out that you could make your point in a much more intelligent way.

Acting belligerent and insulting everyone around you creates to image of a child throwing a tantrum. If you want to be respected (and taken seriously) I would refrain from doing that.

Called me spoiled, insulted my nationality, said fuck, informed me that I won't get laid, and since my opinion differs from yours, you said I should kill myself, How's being 12 going for you? I don't have to insult you because you are doing it for me.

Damn. That's the second time you have told me to kill myself in this argument. Jesus, if you keep going, you might reach a new level of edgy! Animals are used as nutrition for humans. They aren't as important to me as they seem to be to you. I'm sorry that being 12 isn't going so good for you. I mean, you gotta get all that pent out rage out somehow right? Keep on talking. You're just making your cause look stupider and stupider.

"I just hate bullies" says you who is calling a guy who is just saying his opinion on the subject a "redneck", even though you don't even know him. All you have been doing is spewing insults at him and you say you hate bullies.

youre a little slut. the sad thing is youre a virgin slut. so neither side likes you

That comment made no sense whatsoever,"youre a virgin slut". Were you trying to offend me in that comment? How about you think of better insults than "virgin slut".

Just because I disagree with someone, and choose to use my human right to free speech doesn't make me a bully. If I do recall, I'm not the one telling people to kill themselves, nor am I resorting to name calling, or calling people "fags." If you're so enlightened, then why do you resort to using common insults that do nothing but make you sound like an uneducated idiot. You're implying so much that it's kinda humorous. I've graduated school, I don't worship musicians, or actresses, I don't claim to know it all. Just chill out and stop taking the internet so seriously. But hey, you didn't tell me to kill myself in that comment! You're making progress.

I'm sure you know how to talk to a third grader, seeing as you are clearly closer to that grade level than I. But I guess someone that is so highly enlightened such as yourself can't be bothered with correct grammar and punctuation can they? Give it a rest. You aren't even entertaining anymore, you are just repeating yourself. Go learn so new insults, then come back to me.

I'm only wondering at how that guy just keeps going living in his own sphere of "enlightenment" at real life.

Or could he be those kids who act all tough behind the keyboard ?

Well guess what, I'm not a atheist, I believe in multiple gods and goddess because I'm not one of those who says "my religion rules, your sucks, go kill yourself".

First off, humans aren't perfect, just sayin'
Second, who claimed Enlightenment is bad ? It's great, what you're doing, that's not being enlightened.

GIF because I want.

I'm pretty sure he is either a troll, or so full of himself, he can't even see the how humorous his idiotic comments are. It takes a special kind of person to constantly call people rednecks, then call that same person a fag.

AND still believe they are superior and that you should go kill yourself.

If he is so superior it wouldn't take him half a half hour to formulate his half-assed attempts at insulting us. I'm sure his mom will eventually tell him it's time for him to go to bed.

I'm surprised you know what a friendly encounter looks like. As angry, and as arrogant as you are, I'm sure many people don't invite you to their parties. But I'm sure you wouldn't go anyway right? There might be some scary rednecks there, with their rifles, and meat.

so you are gay?

No, but I wish your father was so he wouldn't have bore such a pathetic waste of life.

They don't invite him because every time he busts out these half ass arguments about meat.

lol why you crying so much? does it annoy you that as forceful as i am i am ALPHA and you are beta. you right i dont get invited to parties because i actually throw the parties and its freaking good. sad thing is you are just a loser with 4 eyes and lack of muscle mass. its ok im sure you'll get a gf one day....oops sorry i forgot you 2 are bfs now.

fags

Yeah. Considering the level at which he understands logic, I'm sure the mothers of those kids have told them he isn't aloud to come over and play.

awww did you just make your first friend? glad i could help. im very good at bringing losers together once they realize they are losers. cant wait for your relationship to evolve beyond friendship. make sure to treat him like a gentleman before you pound his gay ass.

fags

I'm not bashing you for the choice to not eat meat. Personally, I eat as little red meat as I can, not for some misguided bullshit, but because red meat isn't the best thing for humans, or more correctly; too much red meat isn't the best thing for humans.

That being said, it pisses me off when people try to say it's "morally wrong for us to treat animals with so little respect, blah blah blee bloo blah". Like I said, animals live worse lives in the wild than they do in all but the most extreme examples you can find in modern life.

It's so american to think you're ENTITLED to meat and however much you want. Meat was once regarded as a luxury, animals were only killed for ceremonies. Every part of the animal was used and they were raised and killed with respect. Now we have millions of animals being bred in ass quantities (which is wreaking absolutely havoc on the environment, it takes 13 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat) and for obese americans to consume at buffets until they have to loosen their belts. At the end of the night all that meat is thrown away. 50 years down the road, americans are burdened with the healthcare for all these obese people with heart disease and a hoard of other medical problems associated with eating too much fat and protein. Mean while, people are dying of starvation in 3rd world countries. But by god, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN! This is 'murica. Everyone else should suffer for your selfish luxuries, and you demand it and you FLAUNT it and then you mock them.

Also, a point I forgot; most buffets sell the scraps to pig farms for the pigs to eat. Hence, most buffets actually waste less than regular restaurants.

It helps you look intelligent and adult if you actually know what you are talking about and provide facts that are actually, well, factual.

Anyone who has ever worked in a restaurant knows that they don't donate to pig farms, what kind of ludicrous statement is that. You think there is just pig farms everywhere? They just save up a bunch of rotting food for a farmer to come pick up? Where do they keep this rotting food? A farmer is so desperate for scraps that he'll drive to a buffet for 20 lbs of rotting food? Let's see YOUR facts, I've provided plenty.

Actually, no you haven't.

Also, I said buffets, not all restaurants. Yet again, try reading. It helps when you actually argue against points I've made.

And farmers do that all the time. In fact, the buffet at the Balagio (not sure how it's spelled) in Las Vegas sells over 100 pounds of scraps to the local pig farms every week. The farmers like it because it provides a varied died for their pigs, and is cheaper than commercial feed.

No. I have the means to purchase meat, so I eat it in reasonable quantities (as in, I don't eat a pound of red meat in one sitting). I do believe that too much meat (especially red meat) IS bad for the human body, but we are omnivores, and require some animal (or fish) protein to function properly. In proper balance meat is an essential part of the human diet.

I love how you read soo deeply into my comment, taking it in a completely different direction than I meant, in fact turning it into something it absolutely wasn't.

Its good to know that I served in the US military so that children like you can go on the internet and pretend that they mean something. I hope yelling at people behind a keyboard makes you feel like a man.

But a little hint, just a little one, telling someone, who just said that they believe in eating small quantities of meat, that they are part of a culture that eats meat in huge quantities and flaunts this fact, leads one to infer that you are possessed (to be polite) of lesser intellectual abilities.

Try reading what people say and actually responding to what they say, not the fiction that you create to allow yourself the moral high ground.

Ok, try reading smart one.

One, I never said I live in Montana.

Two, I never insulted you once. I called you naive. Boo fucking hoo.

Three, I laid out a logical argument about why eating animals isn't wrong.

Four, my image says it all.

Never thought Id see tomthehippie arguing for something against the typical hippie stuff.

I am a total hippie, but I'm realistic. I don't buy into this bullshit about how animals get respected in the wild or any of that crap.

That being said, I stand by the (somewhat) hippie argument that we do eat too much red meat. We should eat more white meat, more fish, more grains and veggies.

Look at other cultures, western cultures are the only ones were one person gets 16+ ounces of meat to themselves at one meal.

Seriously? I made a logical argument about how there is nothing moral about being a vegetarian or being a meat eater, and somehow I must be angry at you and insulting you. I call you on that, and now this?

This is just sad now.

Come on, lets see how stupid your next comment can be.

Either you're a troll, or the most unintelligent person I've see in awhile. He was clearly arguing your point, which was how causally you believe we kill animals. He was just posting a argument to your statement, which you clearly took much offense to because you continued to argue with him until he stopped posting.

How sad because it's seems that your life seems to be focused upon how people take your comments on a website. Give it up kid. I'll give you credit for still trying to defend your illogical comment.

i even tried to say once i realized how much it was going to start a shitstorm that i tried to walk away. but then everyone started attacking me and thumbing down all my comments after he said that.

red thumbs mean stop

No, he wasn't preaching his opinion as if it was a religion. He didn't do that once. Funnyjunk as a whole has this fucked up opinions of vegetarians. He didn't need to say anything but announce he was a vegetarian and everyone rips him to shreds without even knowing what exactly that entails. You all stick your fingers in your ears and start yelling "LA LA LA LA LA " You can't tell someone something they don't want to know.

i wasn't doing that. you guys just started being mean all of a sudden after trash and tom started inciting everyone against me when it was fine before. i didnt attack anyone i said my piece on what i didnt like.

everyone's face when

This is why if I ever kill an animal, I will thank it for offering itself to me for my survival.

that's what i liked about avatar movie. they still killed but they kept a balance.

Last I checked, we're a ton cleaner than nature is when it comes to killing prey. We have insta-killing devices while nature has sharp claws and teeth. I live in a rural-ish area in a place called Montana. I look at cattle and see that they have a large space all to themselves, plenty of food and water and aren't in any pain whatsoever.
I think you're a tad ignorant on how the whole process works. The way we raise and slaughter our cattle isn't cruel. They're raised on ranches (huge fucking open spaces) and then in a year or so they're led to a slaughter house where they're killed quickly and efficiently then packaged and sent of to Whereeverthefuckville where they're eaten. Their lives(although short) aren't horrible, and their deaths aren't either. The process of slaughtering animals has become refined over the years to be painless and quick

FACTORY FARMS. Just because you're a 13 year old who drove past a ranch once, doesn't mean that all of the world buys their meat from happy little farms in montana. Animals are mass produced and that's a fact.

It's extremely tender and delicious...not worth the guilt. I love meat, and it's my favorite of all the food groups, but veal is just wrong. I had it once, learned what it was and swore to never knowingly eat it again.

explain shark fin soup?

Depends on how the fin is harvested I suppose. That could be said for many different things, such as cattle, chicken, fish ect.. While I wouldn't have a problem with eating Shark Fin Soup, I'd hope that it was harvested humanely and not in the manner of which I'm assuming you're pointing out. It's like hunting animals for their skins and then leaving the meat and bones to rot.

Almost 100 million sharks are being killed each year, with fishing rates outstripping the ability of populations to recover, scientists have estimated.

Sharks need better protection to prevent possible extinction of many species within coming decades, the researchers warned ahead of latest global meeting to discuss the trade in threatened species.

Press Association
guardian.co.uk, Friday 1 March 2013!!!! 14.01 EST
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/01/100-million-sharks-killed-each-year

Sharks are caught, fins sliced off and left at the bottom of the ocean to die.

That's only the minority, not the majority, get your shit straight. It's like religious extremists, even though they're only a minority, they give the rest of their group a bad reputation because people immediately assume everyone else in the group is the same as them.

Most cattle/milk, chicken/eggs, and pigs come from legitimate farms (often industrial, yes, but rarely cramped or anything like what you may have seen on TV at one point or anything) it's just the fact that the farms that DO handle their animals in an extremely cruel manner get more attention and, I agree, they do some really nasty shit in those farms, but it's very rarely actually like that.

It's called factory farming and it IS the majority. How do you think millions of animals are churned out in mass quantities? A bunch of cute little red barns house them? Some middle aged, friendly farmer Joe owns a farm of 40 cows?

You didn't read my entire comment did you?

I said that the majority of farms that churn out animals ARE industrial, but very few of them actually exhibit exceptionally cruel treatment towards their livestock, it's just that the ones that do so receive far more attention, and end up setting a negative stereotype that affects every other farm out there.

but...we don't eat the ones that are going extinct. Like you said, we purposely breed them with the intention to eat them. I'm not sure I'm following your logic.

Then why bring it up if they are not being eaten? How does us eating meat affect animals being hunted for skins and such? Sure it's bad but it is not like we can stop it. People do it illegally.

im against the whole thing of killing in too many numbers. not to feed our familes but to feed every country who wants a certain animal so we can package and ship it

i used to work at dunkin donuts i hated working the sandwich station cuz of bacon and sausage, bacon to me smells like salty turds and sausage is not too pleasant either

im not a vegetarian (or muslim) but i have never tried bacon/sausage/pig