Did you write this?

Yes.

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You are a wise man.

So annoying that any comment that actually shows how flawed his comment is gets thumbed down, and then all these people are riding his dick, fucking retards.

Is it possible he was thumbed down for also being flawed?

Pretty much... But it is funnyjunk, I don't know what I expect when I'm typing these sometimes...

I found the vegan

I just got the weirdest boner...

Humans for the longest time did what every animal did, fuck everything else and survive. The difference is we were smart. We learned how to take the things around us and use them to aid us. Fuck the cold, fuck the dark, fuck you you and you who tried to eat us. We took all we could to stockpile in case we needed it later like a rodent with nuts. Only recently did we realize that we are the Master of our own survival not the world around us. We saw that it was our responsibly as the rulers of the world to protect those under our rule. We may not be perfect, but we are what we are.

I present to you the most epic of thumbs.

It is people like yourself that make this life worth living. 16 years old and speaks with more wisdom than 95% of the people I meet. You keep doing you, my friend.

I'd like to say I'm a fairly cynical optimist. I've been on this site for about 3 years as a user now, and yet, I've only seen one comment as gloriously uplifting as that one. Thank you for such a great post.

And we have created a world where almost infinite knowledge can be found with a few click of a mouse and we use it too look at funny pictures of cats all day.

No further elaboration is needed, fucking glorious post comrade.

I could never word this.

My face when reading this. That was beautiful.

Nature is better off without human interference.*

My bad, typo.

if your entire post was a typo, then i forgive you. otherwise, you're an idiot.

You mean even more of an idiot than the person that claims animals pollute, takes pride in the nugatory achievements of mankinds, and wrote pretentious nonsense that's basically a sorry-assed excuse for mankind's destructive behaviour?

Or even more than the person who falls for this psuedo-deep rant?

Because if so, I prefer to be an idiot.

We need more people like you.

Wow you actually restored a bit of my faith in humanity.

yfw

The new Socrates.
Preach it.
You're going places.

What I read was:

"Dear every other fucking thing on the planet,

Do you even lift?

Sincerely,
Owner of a V10 Ford Excursion"

Wise words coming from a 16 year-old. I can see you going places friend.

We are mankind. Humans are supreme.

>Implying humans are supreme.

Humans made Daleks. Your argument is invalid.

Davros (who is not a human) made the Daleks.

I mean the story. We created the idea of Daleks for the story of Doctor Who.

Your point is valid.

Humanity ftw.

For the God-Emperor!

It's better to look at the positive. If all we thought about was the negative things in life, we wouldn't be were we are now.

If we don't think of the negative at all, we'll never do anything. Ever. Ever seen the movie Pleasantville? That would be us.

Log in.

My main argument was that we do bad things but try to make up for it. That we were imperfect.

No, YOU'RE perfect.

No, he's more than perfect. He's... GLORIOUS.

I honestly don't understand peoples hatred towards their own species.

I guess it makes sense if you think about it... why would you ever love something that never loved you back? It's so much easier forcing animals to love you, rather than humans, right?

Also, you could reduce the speed in which this "plague" is growing by killing yourself. Your rotting body could create sustenance for the organisms dwelling around your area.

I guess you don't have to, it's not like you're going to procreate anyway, so spreading the plague really wouldn't be an issue for you.

"why would you ever love something that never loved you back?" This line makes it sound like you think I have never been loved before. As if I come from a broken home , and my parents abused me. That's not the case not in the least. Let me explain this to you I hate humans because I can see us for what we are. We are animals warm blooded ruthless mammals. That stop at nothing to get ahead in life. Clouded in judgement by our own greed. Truthfully you are no different you try to act as if humans aren't what I said, but then you go and prove my point. Telling me to kill myself? if that's not a prime example of wrath then what is? Humans come and obliterate anything in their way. Forests, cities, even other people.

i only hate us as humans because when aliens arrive, the humans are gonna be incredibly hostile towards them because in almost every movie ever, the aliens are assholes who want nothing but to kill us, and if they are being friendly, it's just a cover-up for their actual plans, of killing us all. There can be an alien race that never had any wars, but the moment they come here, they're gonna get welcomed with bullets and missiles and then kill us, because we're insecure assholes who will shoot anything that competes with our intelligence.

TL;DR: Humans are gonna be mean to aliens and we're gonna shoot them down when they arrive, which will cause them to counterattack and kill us. Humans are assholes and it is almost inevitable because of movies and shit. THAT'S the only reason i hate humans

That is literally the most retarded thing ever

Our leaders aren't "HURR ALIENS IN FICTIONAL MOVIES ARE EVIL SO REAL LIFE IS EVIL TO"

Our leaders will seek a peaceful solution, there is no if or buts about it, they may be on edge, but they will try and seek peaceful solution, there is a shit ton of more positives to being peaceful then hostile, please use your brain, it's the thing in your head that makes you think

we can't even be peaceful among ourselves, humans can't even get along just because what they believe/where they live/a lot of stuff. as it stands, I believe humans would be more hostile towards aliens then you expect

If you don't like humans so much then why don't you kill yourself?

We are actually one of the more civilized races believe it or not.
Everything goes extinct. Better we cause our own extinction rather than someone else causes it.
The seven deadly sins are man made ideas, they do not fit under your idea of nature.
Can I blame us? You sure seem to.
Contrary to what you believe, what we do is natural. And nature is more about math and physics rather than magical tree gods and whatnot.

We kill other animals for fun, We kill other people for fun, We are chained by other humans and forced to do their bidding, yeah we are civilized. The seven deadly sins are not man made Ideas they all exist in us. We just made them "important" , and I personally agree with it. They are all sins that we should not commit. Yet everyone of us does it. Imagine for a second a world where we weren't wrathful, or greedy, or lustful. what a perfect world that would be. No Hitlers, No Bernie Madoff's and no Josef Fritzl's. What we do is natural? Slavery, rape, murder yeah natural sounds about right. Humans defy their nature it's as simple as that. We aren't programmed to mate for life , and yet we try too. Humans think themselves better then all other animals, but were not .

Okay, first of all every animal kills other animals for fun, including their own. Everything forces others to do their bidding. The earth is made a slave by the gravity of the sun, the trees enslaved by the fertility of the soil, the ant is made a slave by the queen, the ribosomes are enslaved by the nucleus, it is a trend followed throughout nature. Things end, things control one another, that is nature. You complain about us being under civilized, and then you complain about us not being natural enough, so quite frankly, I think you're arguing with yourself more than me.

Second, the seven deadly sins were just actions humans were capable of doing, and then a catholic priest used his beliefs to make them illegal to every human. I ask you, what happens when I commit these sins? Who punishes me for being human?

Third, I know you would like things to be perfect, everyone does. I can't believe that I'm the only who has told you this but, nothing is perfect. That's the truth. You're pissed off because bad things have happened? You're complaining to me about it? What do you want me to do?
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people, we all know that, but you think that because of that individual, the seven billion humans that exist today are all horrible? Did you ever hear about what happened during the holocaust? A fucking war started, because most of the human race didn't like what was happening, and Hitler was stopped because of it.
You treat the human race as if we are all just a bunch of homicidal maniacs, but if we were, we wouldn't exist, as we would have killed ourselves long ago. We're obviously a lot better than you think we are.

Fourth, every animal rapes and murders, but only humans say that it's wrong. It seems as though you hate nature more than you hate human civility.

You deeply need to rethink this. What's natural is what's possible. Nature isn't your belief system, it's the rules of the universe, it's called possibility.

Humans are the result of every bad thing an animal is capable of doing put into one thing."Everything forces others to do their bidding. The earth is made a slave by the gravity of the sun, the trees enslaved by the fertility of the soil, the ant is made a slave by the queen, the ribosomes are enslaved by the nucleus, it is a trend followed throughout nature. Things end, things control one another, that is nature." Are fucking kidding me? That's not even remotely the same thing people took other people and treated them like they weren't people. Also all the fucking examples you gave are a give and take relationship. For instance the sun traps the earth, but gives it life.

I could go on talking to you , but you are a hopeless child. One who believes the lies told to them by mummy and daddy. The kind that does not argue with the way society raises us. Kind of like a Nazi just following the orders given on to you. Pathetic I hope you awaken soon kid.

You and I likely grew up in the same culture in which we are constantly told we are bad for being human, and no one, including you, has given me an actual reason to believe that. What I wrote up there is my pure skepticism of what I was told. I'm actually going against what my society tries to tell me, I'm not brainwashed.

Obviously, your profuse reference to my age is your desperate attempt to make yourself look more mature than me, ("...you are a hopeless child," "...lies told to them by mummy and daddy," "I hope you awaken soon kid.") You think just that is going to make you look more mature than me? After all of your paradoxical arguments?

You use ideas like the seven deadly sins to try to negate what I say, and then go on to tell me I'm following what other people tell me.

You call me pathetic, yet you become insulted when I believe something different than you. You fight tooth and nail to negate what I say, using the most flawed of arguments you can come up with, it's so moronic that I can barely believe it, and then you insult me, you randomly tell me I'm a Nazi, call me pathetic because you can't do anything to stop me from believing this. It's almost as though you're acting like some dramatic movie character, trying to sound compelling, but what you're really saying is just borderline unintelligible.
I ask you, why do you care what I believe? If you're so mature, why do you think what you believe is so right? My beliefs are the result of doubting everything, including what I have previously believed, and I would be surprised if you formulated 1% of what you believe.
If you really feel like being mature, like having a structured, productive conversation with someone who believes something different than you, I suggest you go through and read our conversation again, read what you said, read what I said. Think about it, and then tell me something intelligent.
If you really don't feel like being mature, do not comment again, as it will effect me negatively.

I call you a child because 1. I have a few years on you and 2. You are blind to the big picture. Ignorant to the true ways of people. When was I ever insulted? We believe in two opposite views. I believe you're views are wrong. It is as simple as that. It was not random name calling. Nazi's followed orders without questioning what they were doing. As much of society does today. I honestly don't care what you believe. You told your views , and then I told mine. Feel free to believe what you want I just think you are wrong. Why do I believe I am right? why do you not? People continue to prove again and again and again how fucked up we are. How fucking arrogant we are how down right cynical we are. "I would be surprised if you formulated 1% of what you believe." Not quite sure what you mean by that.

People are pathetic animals. The only thing remotely impressive about us is our brain, and even then the only impressive thing about it is that it gives us reason. People say human reason is what separates us from the animals. However their are people who don't listen to reason. Ignorant people such as Racists so tell me are they still people? or just animals?

I guess it was wrong for me to expect you to realize all of the fucked up things other animals do. I guess it was wrong for me to expect you to see what I was saying. I understand that you think I'm blind because I believe something different than you, and I'm sorry you think that. I really think you could have learned something from me. I don't know why you think we're all pathetic. Just because Hitler destroyed millions doesn't mean I did. I also don't know why it matters what you think.

And as far as racism goes, it's a left over mechanism from when we used to act more like animals. Think about how geese won't land in a pond if there's just a single swan present there. Compassion is most prevalent in humanity than in anything else, I don't know what made you think animals were more loving than we are. Nothing is perfect, but we're the only ones trying to be, and that's what makes us better than the others.

When I was little, I was asked, "If I could be any animal, what would I be?" I said I wanted to be a human. It's easy to miss out on things you've had your whole life. I'm not surprised that you don't think humans are special, because you are a human, and you take what you have for granted.

You think we're so cold just because we've done some bad things? You belong to a family of creatures who feel bad because what they eat has feelings. We're carnivores, and we feel bad about that. You think a bunch of monsters would feel bad for eating meat? There are some bad humans, but we're a pretty good lot.

Humanity is not perfect, given time, we will do horrible things, that is a guarantee.And what we have done will never change. You can't change the past, and crying over what you can't change is just a waste of time. So why don't you give us a second chance? Let's figure the universe out, let's cure diseases, let's save some species from extinction, and let's not be like the bad humans.

We need more people like you.

can you be the next president of the US or...Panama? Who cares, we need more people like you.

>sixteen-year-old

youngest president ever then!

All of my yes

And with that, I no longer hate humans in general.

>humanity's collective face when

Literally every living thing will do anything it can to survive. But only humans try to survive while being mindful of the others.

If humans never existed, it is likely that another species would fill the space we never filled, and they might not care as much as we do.

The part where I said, "the pollutants in the air were once in the soil," was a part of the "everything is natural" idea.

Just because the beautiful secrets of the universe don't exist to be admired, that doesn't mean we can't admire them. I am aware they only have meaning because we gave them meaning, what thing has meaning that we did not give it? You seem to be keen on understanding things in an objective way, yet you still believe that the pollutants "belonged" in the soil. The only reason why you care about the health of the earth is because you gave the health of the earth meaning.

The earth is better off with us because, while we may have done some bad, we are literally the only species that can do enough good to actually turn some things around, be they the things we have caused, or otherwise. I guarantee you, if any species of animal did as much harm as we did, they wouldn't do something to stop it. I think you can tell why we are better than them.

In that comment of victory, you reply with only negativity. I ask why.
We are humans, guardians of all that exists. The roots of the planet have grown deep under our careful tending. Where there is life, the wisdom of our countless generations has saturated the soil. Our strength is a luminous sun towards which all intelligence blossoms. And the impervious shelter beneath which it has prospered. We stand before you. Accused of a sin of ensuring human ascendancy. Of attempting to save other species from a certain fate where you are trying to force us to recede... Humanity stands as the greatest species on Earth, trying to eradicate us is a fools gambit. We squander eons in the darkness, while you try to suggest our triumphs aren't our own. The mantle of responsibility belongs to humans alone.
Think of our acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality. Our ascendency is only going to continue. And you are hopeless to stop it.

Meh, it's 1:23 am; I'm tired :L

No we wouldnt, because we wouldnt be around.

The Earth was changing, yes, but at a much slower rate, we increased the rate. At previous rates organisms could much adapt to them, but now many species cannot.

Not necessarily, maybe a species along the way that died out that was similar to homo sapiens, but even then, it was only through interbreeding with the other similar species that we evolved to what we are.
Though it is unlikely that another species would evolve to our level from another line, such as your giant salamanders for example, because it just does not work that way.

yes yes yes i love you yes

I don't care if he's right or wrong
That shit was poetic and beautiful.

You. I like you.

You know nothing of change!

I assume you believe something that doesn't comply with what I just said. If that's the case, it probably would have been better to speak to me intelligently, rather than rhetorically calling me stupid for no documented reason.

right
yeah, sorry, that was brash of me.
okay. so we humans produce a hell of a lot of pollution. a HELL of a lot. so much that it's fucked up the ozone layer in some places. cows produce a hell of a lot too - but we're responsible for that because we made so bloody many of them.

as a conscious species, we have an ethical responsibility to try and fix what we reaped, no? or are you the type of person who goes through life doing shit and saying, 'other people have done worse things and thus I have no ethical responsibility to fix what I have done'?

forgive me sir, but your logic is mighty twisted. we strive for perfection in a way other species don't, but that's because they don't need to - we are far, far from the perfection they've already attained.

"We have an ethical responsibility to try and fix what we reaped."

That's the exact idea I started with. The whole comment was focused on that idea.

Not only do we have that responsibility, we actually act on that responsibility. Humans are the only animals that are mindful of their surroundings. When we hunt too much, we figure it out, when we pollute too much, we figure that out too.

No species has attained perfection, no species is perfect. Every species will go extinct, whether their extinction was caused by a change in environment, or by an overly dangerous predator, or possibly by themselves, every species goes extinct. But only one species not only plans to save itself, but other species too.

Things aren't going well right now, but that doesn't mean we should all just kill ourselves. The earth is better off with us because we're the only ones capable of making intentional, beneficial changes, whether they're necessary because we need to correct our own wrongs, or the wrongs of everyone else.

no, but we SHOULD appreciate that plenty species' extinction has been accelerated by our activities, so we're trying to right the wrong we've caused. I'm not saying we should kill ourselves, either - but I wouldn't put us on a pedestal, saying the world is better of with us, just because we're attempting to right our own wrongs.

I see what you mean, but I do think that makes us special. Anything can make mistakes, but it's pretty hard to right your own wrongs. I mean, we're a species that feels bad for being carnivorous. We feel bad because what we're supposed to eat has feelings. That's kind of special. It's normal for animals to do horrible things, but when we do it, we get all self-critical, freak out, and say the world is better off without us.

I realize we're not perfect, I know of all the bad we do, and I know we do more bad than others, but I think we do more good than others too. They're just animals doing what they have to do, we're animals doing what we have to do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. At this stage in our evolution, we're really just digging ourselves out of the hole we dug when we acted more like the others. Once we right our wrongs, I don't think we'll just stop there. That's why I think the world is better off with us.

Love how people are being pessimists and proving you wrong. I like your comment though. I'd go as far to say I like you too.

So much of this is wrong, the fact that he has written a lot does not make it correct, and then the ones that point out the flaws in his comment are thumbed down. Good work retards.

Talk to me about it then.

but it is correct. We wouldnt do all the things that we've done if God or evolution didnt want us to.

If evolution didnt want us to? You realise evolution is caused by random genetic mutations, the most optimal for the situation surviving and being passed on to further generations. And dont bother trying to bring religion into this, all that causes is a shitstorm of whether or not there is a God.
Do you realise how much more extinction has been caused by humanity? From all the hunting, for consumption, destruction of habitats, no species has come close to the rate of extinction that humanity has caused.

Whilst yes, humanity has achieved many amazing feats, it has been, so far, at the expense of nature.

It's not exactly random but it is quite a coincidence that such intelligent creatures have come to be and have thrived long enough to become what we are now. Also yeah humans have totally made animals more extinct than nature and other animals have. The permean extinction 200 million someodd years ago, yeah we totally caused that. The dino extinction 65 million years ago, yeah man that was totally us. The ice ages, hot damn we totally fucked the world up with that one. Species go extinct ALL THE FUCKING TIME, whether it be from humans, other animals, or NATURAL caused, most humans are at least trying to prevent those extinctions while all animals just accept it as part of life.

First of all, yes evolution is caused by completely random genetic mutations, there is nothing about them that is not random, an organism cannot will itself into a change. Do I actually need to go through evolution with you?

And well done on ignoring the fact that I said extinction caused by species. Im not even going to bother with responding to what you said, as all you are doing is ignoring what I actually say, and making it fit to something you think is correct.

What im trying to tell you is that human causes for extinction do not outweigh the natural cause and never will therefore whatever we do on this Earth cannot in any way harm it more than what nature has. secondly it might seem random but they aren't, mutations occur because of adaption to a habitat, not all of a sudden being born with a long neck or with claws you retard. I'm not ignoring anything you said I'm just telling you that you're retarded for thinking 1 species can do more harm to a certain planet than the entirety of nature can.

I never said they are all of a sudden born with a long neck, have you ever studied biology? The genetic changes that occur are random, those are the mutation, those that have that new trait, if it is beneficial will survive and pass on, this will continue and over a long period of time a species will gradually gain a longer neck. Holy fuck your are a stress, you have no idea what you are talking about at all.

Im a stress because you know I'm right and are mad.

No, you actually dont know what you are talking about, I actually study biology at university, I know what fucking evolution is. You are a stress because you are wrong, go have a quick google of what evolution is. It will tell you that the mutations occur randomly, but evolution itself, the natural selection process, is not random. As I have been saying this whole time.

stopped reading at studying biology, just stop man you lost to a dumb history major at the University of Maryland.

Congratulations you study something completely different, that is why, on this I am correct, I actually know what I am talking about. With something that is history, Im sure you would beat me, as my knowledge in that are is limited. Stop trying to say you are correct, its amazing that you are still trying to do so.

lol im fucking with you I believe what I want to believe in, and that is that we aren't the worst thing to ever come about on the Earth

Notice the part where I said "no species has come close", last time I checked asteroids were not a species.

Check again? Are you trying to say that asteroids are a species?

And yes, obviously introducing a new species to a habitat will generally dominate in it, as the rest of the species has not evolved to have a defense against them, especially with a species such as humanity. But the fact is, humans dont use the resources, the resource in this case being animals, in a sustainable manner, they hunt for fun, they over fish, etc.

Yet after all that we're killing, enslaving and torturing our fellow creatures who also share this world and we're headed towards self destruction. The other species are in harmony with nature, we aren't. And despite achieving all that you've mention, we still let our brothers die of hunger. Technologically we may be on top, but morally we're bankrupt.

Everyone on earth is about to die of starvation, and you can save them all by wanting them to live.
Do you want them to live? Of course you do. So does everyone. We don't let people die of starvation, we simply can't help it.

We don't eat our children, and when we commit atrocities, many of us look down on it. The fact that you care just kind of proves my point. Misanthropy is the product of what makes us so great, we care.

We can help it, if we were the reduce the amount of food consumed by people, especially considering the amount of waste there is, we could easily, at current world populations feed everyone. But its not economic, for multiple reasons, as pointed out by selfdenyingbeggar below

>We should help the starving
>By starving ourselves
Genius

Exactly the reason we cant do it, that attitude. And no it would not be starving ourselves, people eat much more then is required to survive.

Not all of them. We should sacrifice it for those who don't have anything? It sounds cruel but I'm not giving up my food when I haven't enough for myself.

If you dont have enough, then you would be one of the ones given extra food. It would not be taking food from someone like you, it would be from those who eat more then is required, who waste to much.

I have enough, but not enough to give. I'm middle class. I wouldn't accept food either. Rich or poor people starve, I wouldn't take someone's food.

The only solution to save the Earth. Kill yourself. Do it.

Nope, the way to saving Earth is to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

And what are you doing to achieving that end?

Water tank, solar panels, vegetable garden, compost, only at a necessity do I drive, recycling etc.

So really so far, not a huge amount, but then Im only young and cannot afford, as sadly the more sustainable option are more often then not, the more expensive.

You aren't helping anyone with a two foot wide compost bucket, btw.

Its about making your footprint smaller, if everyone were to have a two foot wide compost it would help... You seem to forget the fact that people need to do things on an individual level as well as trying to influence other to do so.

Not everyone is going to. Most people won't. They shouldn't have to and there is no need to beside speculation by some a compound piles effect on the environment has never been confirmed. They don't even know if cars cause global warming.

Your last sentence just proved how much of a retard you are, and how do you not get the concept of each person reducing their individual ecological footprint. If everyone does even a little, not everyone of course will at first, but its a gradual thing, the more people that do it, the more pressure others will feel to do so as well. Eventually leading to a majority doing so.

The man who brought the polar ice caps melting to the public got in trouble for false journalism. I am actually of a higher intelligence than you. You also just indirectly made a pretty good example of sheeple.

You have no basis for your assumption that you are smarter then me.
What about them being sheeple? Is it not beneficial for the world if people are convince to live more sustainably? Even if you believe in global warming or not?
There have been more examples since that article, I assume you are talking about the one regarding the polar bears and the ice caps. The whole in the ozone layer, caused by humanity, is having a big impact on the polar caps. It is proven that the world is indeed warming, most scientists agree that its being sped up by humanity, others do not. Either way, the ice caps are still melting, which can be seen by the fact that they are infact getting smaller.

Well, "...Smarter then me." made no sense. And the same can be said for you. You called me retarded with no basis. So why shouldn't I resort to pointing out that my intelligence is far higher than yours? We have differing opinions, it does not make either of us any dumber. If anything, we are both intellectuals for having carried on an argument with valid points for so long.

we can help it. If you think we can you've got to do some research.

A good percentage of the population doesn't want people to die of starvation, and that same percentage of people can't do anything to stop it. There are some selfish people out there that could do something, but like I said, we're not perfect.

People need to be poor to be industrious. That right there is why most powerful people won't do anything to stop it. As for those who are dying of hunger, measure could be taken, but taking Africa as an example, why would you want healthy, educated people living there if you can just suck up their resources?. There's a lot more other reasons, but I've given you a few so you can think a little.

Well, while I'm willing to admit we have flaws, it doesn't matter what I admit, because it is the regardless truth that mankind has flaws. My argument was not that we were perfect, it was that we were amazing, and that we are a lot better than people like to believe.

that's subjective as fuck. You could say that we're worse than we believe and also that we're better than we believe.

I didn't realize I was speaking to someone who cared so practically about subjectivity and objectivity. Let's be objective then. Objectively, the human race is a group of organisms that has a negative effect on its environment. However, the human race recognizes the bad that it does, and tries to make up for it. It is the only group of organisms that does this.

We're better than some people believe because no one can seem to get that.

I don't think we're a cancer on this planet, and I think we have a lot of potential, more than we even have begun to explore. But I think the first part to really use that potential is to become conscious of how we're throwing it away to waste.

No we don't, you're kind of usinga childish viewpoint. It's like saying, "I want to stay on mi diet but I'm gonna eat this ice cream" you may want to be on a diet an become fit, but you want the ice cream more, that's why you eat it. So, as a species we would like for our animal/plant friends to be safe and ofr our human companions to be provided but we care A whole lot more about our own selves, that's why we won't stop destroying things until we absolutely realize that we're all gonna suffer the consequences, and it seems that point will be reached when situation is FUBAR. Or, the majority would like that kind of abuse to stop, but the majority aren't running things, even as most of them are led to believe so, that could be another reason.

Ehhh.... we are still learning.


Relgion isn't helping though...

thankfully we're moving past that (I think)

I hope...

They do. That's kinda my point you just stepped on there. We have reached mars (as a species) but we still do that.

Beautiful and articulate.

You are a amazing person, well done.

Actually cows pollute very very very much.

Also we try to figure out why we're sick so we can fix it. Animals don't really do that. Of course we have the immune system, but that's our natural resistance towards things.

What does the mayfly have to do with anything? How fast do you think they can fly?

Glad you agree.
Glad you agree.

Homing pingeon can't fly to space to communicate.

>we are the fastest living things on the planet
no were not
>Homing pingeon can't fly to space to communicate.
they dont need to
>Also we try to figure out why we're sick so we can fix it. Animals don't really do that. Of course we have the immune system, but that's our natural resistance towards things.
cool story, wtf does that have to do with destroying the planet. its not like its a factor or anything. Hey look we can cure your soar throat, now we dont have to worry about using all our natural ressources at an alarming speed.

its not because were smarter that automaticaly were not doing anything wrong.

right now, you guys are in denial. i dont want to know that the human race is amazing yet completely doomed by itself.

also, its really hard to disagree to a fact, human have flown higher than any other animal. Somehow you guys refuse to see how fucked it is.

anyways, have a good blissfull life, i hope you enjoy your daily dose of Fox News

Yes, yes we are. Haven't seen any other animal drive a vehicle at over 1200 km/h.

Felix Baumgartner had a sped of 1357.64 km/h.

They don't need to, that's not the point. Thanks for agreeing.

He didn't deny the fact that we're "destroying" the planet. He said we're the only ones to try to fix it. Volcanos and cows and a whole damn lot of other animals in this world are ruining it for others. We're not ruining the planet. The planet is fine. We're ruining ourselves. The world has been through a whole lot of shit.

Hey, look. Soar throat isn't the only thing we can cure.

No one is in denial, you're just stuck up and retarded. "I don't want to know that the human race is amazing, yet completely doomed by itself".

Seems like you're in denial, it's actually pretty funny.

Hah! Oh boy. So much downs syndrome.

I don't even watch fox news.

And why is it fucked up that humans have flown higher than any other animal?

dunno

I think you should get some friends.

Perhaps you'd hate humanity a lot less if your social interactions didn't consist mainly of animals who are forced to live in the same building as you.

So not being in total denial makes me an antisocial?

Why are you so afraid of the truth?

Because I know damn well that it's not the truth?

Why would I ever hate humanity? Humanities been nothing but good to me.

I'm in a steady relationship with a loving family and a car made by humans.

It's because you're a recluse. You don't know what it's like to be loved by another human, so in retaliation, you hate them back as a whole.

What makes you think im not just cynical? I have actualy a loving family with a good relatinoship with our car too. I just love to see how the world is completely void of a purpose. The only goal that anyone should aim for is happiness, happiness itself being mainingless since the impact of a happy human being is, well, nothing really. I like the cold reality that the earth is slowly (keyword slowly here) exhausting all its ressources because we want to ride cars and build houses. Whats wrong with that? Nothing imo. though destroying our eco system so it cant regenerate once were gone, not cool.

anyways, ill leave you and your ignorance of the definition of cynical!

Enjoy a short and fast-paced life filled with blissfull happiness.

With great power comes great responsibility.

Holy shit that was deep.

If we were gone we would leave a space that would be filled by another potentially harmful race. They might make worse mistakes than we did, and they might not care. But we know of our mistakes, and we know not to make them again. We have the desire to better the planet and ourselves, that is why the earth is better off with us, it just takes some patience.
You said it yourself, "Until we get our technology up to par with sustainability." If that happens, which I can almost promise it will, the earth indeed will be better off with us.

<This idiot would still like you to believe our cars are killing Polar Bears and we are all terrible for not having the money to afford solar panels.

car are one of the biggest cause of global warming...
he just expect you to use it carefully not to go all out hippy and have solar panels.

Really? He says the sea levels are rising. And then he buys a house on the coast. I don't know if the guy takes HIMSELF literally...

i lol'd

I'm just sick and tired of hippies trying to convince me I'm nothing but a plague.

Why the fuck would I listen to or follow a person that's convinced me and all my friends are some disease that needs to be eradicated?

why are you so affected by the hippies? if you dont like it you can simply go in denial, the same way OP did.

So sit back and take it?

No thank you.

aawwwww so cute

That was beautiful

If Yellowstone erupted, scientists believe that it would cause more air pollution than everything we've ever done combined.

So no matter what we can do, nature will always 1 up us. And nature will always be able to adapt to pollution, there's fish that live with virtually no light and very little to eat, and the manage just fine.

The only species capable of intentionally saving the planet is the human race. Whether it be from asteroids, or aliens, or pollution, we are the only ones who know and care enough to fight back. There are billions of species, and we are the only ones. I believe that is a godsend.

You're not clever
You're not loved
You're not an intellectual
You just have a large dildo in your anus

Well, there's obviously a difference between me, who posted a large, opinionated comment and received significant praise from at least 340 different people, and you, who took the time to post a very sorry attempt to make me look stupid, despite the hundreds of people that thought otherwise.

You have internet access too, dick.

omq u got me
trolololololololo

Yeah, man, he sure got you.

hees so gud at troling

I think we could learn a thing or two about how to save the environment AND how to rumble jammies from this man who has truly contributed to society in a great way by being such a good troll.

I don't know about you, but whenever I make people feel bad, I feel good. I am an important person.

Me too and I think that makes me important also!

Yeah. AND he doesn't pollute and hurt the environment! What a hero.

I thought the same but didn't have the balls to express what I thought. Thank you, it's good to see someone else who feels the same about something.

That was.. true

You don't have to be one side or the other. Everything he said still syncs with your desires for humankind. I'm sure that the idealist within him wishes humans would take care of nature as well, to be the responsible ones.

ikr, i dont understand why people would believe oterhwise. It seems rather obvious that OP has some self esteem issue and doesnt like being reminded humankind is fucking shit up.

You don't need to find balance. You need to find a noose. And a stool.

You know nothing about me yet you still have the audacity to make such a statement.

I wonder why? Is it just because I tore down someone you idolized for a few seconds. He sounded so intelligent, and it seemed to make sense that you just clinged to it without actually understanding shit about it.

You're pathetic, I would recommend a rope and stool, but that's too dignified for you.

And truthfully I hope you can disregard all that has been said here and go on to live a happy and prosperous life.

If however these words eat you up inside and reduce you to the point where you have no will to live, I would recommend spending your life developing a zombie virus, releasing it to spark a zombie apocalypse. Finding a suitable sized horde and jump into it.

You don't know me, and you still have the audacity to make such a statement? I wonder why. Is it just because I tore down someone you idolized (yourself) for a few seconds?

First, let's go with what I do know. You absolutely adore Ryderjamesbubble so much so that you go to prowl the replies searching for people who disagree, so that you can make pathetic, unthought-out comments that are completely irrelevant to what's being discussed. You seem to be unable to cope with the fact that people will inevitbaly disagree with this man. This leads me to believe that my previous statement about your reverance of this man to be correct. However I do not know this. This is only my own inference. And I am aware of this.


Now my comments about the suggested method of self abortion were satirizing your own. Nothing else. In fact I actually temper this by telling you the truth mid way. (in hindsight that switch method was probably too much for your pathetic mind to comprehend, so my apologies.)

And worst of all, I'm taking the time to reply to someone who doesn't even put the effort into coming up with his own comment. I'm actually wondering if you're capable of stringing together a line of complex thoughts.

You obviously cannot fathom that someone would not agree with you. I look for arguments because I agree with what he says, and people post their opinions. I also post mine. I am under the impression you are incapable of distinguishing intelligence from what you seem to believe is a complex mind made up of thoughts that would be sought after by the masses, the envy of those considered intellectuals. Actually, it's just YOUR brain. It is capable of telling your fingers to type, but it doesn't know much more than that. I am, in all honestly, and I can guarantee this, 10x more intelligent than you ever will be. You could not fathom what goes on in my mind. You are nothing to me. You are just another obstacle. You are another chess piece placed in front of me by fate to test my intelligence. I just made my move. I just won. You have been defeated. I did not give you an in depth argument because you did not even present a challenge to me. Why would I waste my time giving attention to your poorly thought out, invalid arguments? That makes me smarter, since I choose not to waste my time writing to those I find stupid. I have time now, but I may not later. So I hope this clears it up for you.

You are also a disgrace to anyone who was ever a Fallout fan, you shit.

And you think all fallout fans agree with your thoughts on things completely unrelated to fallout? Unlikely. You are not smart. I am smart. You think you are smart. That's the difference between you and me, shithead.

I love fallout. It's been proven? really now? And I know there's more to learn, I try not to learn from those that do not get a point across or make sense. Also, excuse me if you do not personally subscribe to my honesty towards those who attempt to convey that they are more intelligent than me, but I am an INTJ. INTJ, the mastermind, one percent of the general population, fucko.

You know, it's been proven that those who believe themselves to be smart, are in fact the stupidest humanity has to offer. You are a shining example of this idiocy. Preaching that you're smart, (You're fucking not) because you don't make an intelligent argument.

You are not smart.

It takes a smart man to realize there is always more to learn. You practically claim omniscience, which id fucking pathetic cause you do not even know how to form a proper sentence. (A "smart" man would, and could apply that into basic typing. But you're not smart, so you can't.)

You haven't posted a single opinion, you have just insulted people like a 3rd grade child.

"You could not fathom what goes on in my mind. You are nothing to me. You are just another obstacle. You are another chess piece placed in front of me by fate to test my intelligence. I just made my move. I just won. You have been defeated."

I almost died of laughter when you said this. I mean, honestly, do you seriously believe this shit. I mean, I know people are capable of convincing themselves of certain things, but come on. There is no way you can't see how stupid you actually are. I half expected you to start telling me about how you were in the Navy Seals and shit, and top of sniper school, blah blah blah guerilla warfare, hunting me down.

If you were smart you would know that intelligence cannot be quantitative, it is impossible to be "10x smarter" than someone, or even twice as smart.

There is something about you I cannot fathom though. How someone as stupid as you exists.

Alas I've decided to not waste any more time arguing with some fucknut.

Now I'm going to go do something productive. Which is more than you are likely to do your entire life.

In honesty you kinda messed up in tearing down a person that has said a positive and well thought out and explained philosophical excerpt. You were doing good with supporting your opinion but you kinda fell out when you said after all the anti human stuff, then you say all anti human stuff is a bit in a moot point. Also you make us out to be a large like minded group that's doesn't care about nature. Compared to past global emissions from factories and cars, we have greatly improved. There is also no entire need for balance completely, for that's the thing about human, and mother nature's nature, we adapt to survive. Even if humans mess up the entire world, as long as there is a single microbe, mother nature can begin again.

TL;DR You kind of mooted your own speech, Mother Nature is most likely to compleatly screw us over before we do to her, and cheer up you too negative.

I do understand that people are different, and there are people who are aware of these problems and are trying to find a solution. I just think it isn't enough.

And I'm certainly not anti-human. I've said it before, we need to find a balance. Because the way we are headed, the earth is due to run out of the resources our modern society needs. Oil, and Gas. Wood, clean air, water. These things are all in serious danger, despite the claims that there are policies, or measures put in place to protect them. (Though they help, they are only decelerating the process.)

We do need to find a balance. One where our biosphere can co-exist in harmony with the still globalizing world.

But considering the major advancements in eco-friendly tech, and the more used renewable resources we should be golden. Oil and Natural gas can run out but not for a long while, and don't forget, as long as there is swamp environments, these resources can be made over time. forests can be replanted, Air can be cleaned over time via lower production from human stand points, and said trees, and technically water never runs out because of the water cycle, you just need cleaner areas which it dumps into which even then we purify it. Also, sorry it's just that what you said made you out as Anti human, which is what probably made people more negative/aggressive toward you (saying insults doesn't help prove your point either).

Meh, I kinda like my red thumbs.

Its a common misconception that when an ecosystem is devastated it will repair itself. If we deplete the forests, poison the water, and use up the oil.

We will never see these resources again in our lifetime.

It is true that trees grow back, but they also rely on each other. Their roots tether the soil and when clearcutting, occurs it is a rare thing for even a single tree to grow back.

And There are very few water sources that are not polluted, and that number is looking to shrink further with the Canadian Bill C-45 (Which reduces the protected lakes and rivers from 2.5 million to 82) Truth be told I'm not an expert on water, and as much as I know the resource itself cannot be wholly consumed, I do know that drinking water is a consumable resource. (Which extends to impact animals who rely on it.)

If Oil and gas run out, they're gone, that's it, no more. We won't be around for the millions of years needed to see new oil. (Alternative energy is one of those things we need to look into, again, finding a balance.)

Air is one of those things we heavily impact that cannot repair itself unless we let it. Our emissions only continue to increase, despite the claims anyone makes to the contrary.

I think the only real point I want to strike is that we need to find a medium where we aren't burning through the world's resources. We need to first realize and accept that humanity is a parasite. So that we can make an effort to change it. Certainly there are some who have already done and are doing this, but not everyone.

I suggest you find some friends.

I suggest you not resort to petty 5th grade attacks to compensate for your severe lack of intelligence.

This wasn't an insult, although you seem like a rather pitiful recluse.

Trust me, if your social interactions didn't comprise mainly of animals who are forced to live in the same building as you, maybe you'd be less hateful towards humanity.

I don't blame you for hating something that never loved you to begin with. I'd hate humanity too if I had no friends.

I know you expect me to play ball and get all butthurt, but all I can really say is that I do in fact have friends. Many of them.

They hold no bearing over my worldview however.

You would find that these two things are unrelated if you had any inkling of non-stupidity.

You can convince yourself whatever you'd like to keep yourself from committing suicide, but admit it, you're a pain in the ass to be around.

No one would ever love someone with such retarded and twisted views such as yourself.

It's cute that you think you can touch me

Of course not, I'm just a guy on the internet.

But think about this the next time you're depressed and thinking about killing yourself:

I can guarantee you're going to die alone.

You've been alive for an estimated +16 years, and you've yet to find someone. That's not going to change with your attitude.

You can try an convince yourself you actually hate humanity because we're "evil", but we all know the reason why you do is only because no one likes you... No one ever will.

You know I've found that if I keep replying I will be rewarded with more shining examples of your stupidity.

I would, but you're enjoying this because it's human contact.

You're depraved so you enjoy whatever you can get.

I enjoy exploiting stupidity.

You know nothing of me, yet you are so desperately trying to say something that will resonate inside me. You want me to go to school tomorrow and be torn apart by some words some internet fucktard said. It's fucking pathetic.

I am living a healthy happy life. I have friends who's company I enjoy and who enjoy my company. I am receiving my diploma with over 120 credits. I've been accepted into my desired University.

Oh but of course that's just, "stuff I tell myself isn't it." To convince myself over some mental problem I undoubtedly have. Is that right? Cause obviously you know so much more about me than me.

In fact I should just make you the consultant about all issues related to, I'm sorry, what was my name? When was I born? Who are my mother and father?

You're trying too hard, and it's painfully apparent. It's rather entertaining though, especially knowing how easy it is to continue. Make a simple response and bask in the rampant idiocy.

In fact watch this, I can make bold claims with no grounds too.



You've been alive for 16+ years, safe bet. You've been hated by everyone you've ever met for your insatiable need to make others feel worse about themselves to compensate for your crippling insecurity.

My opinion, that was one of the best logic fights in my time on the internet, you magnificent Mofo!

you are about 2 months late to the punch bro.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't try to prove yourself to me.

Also, I wouldn't consider hating humanity living a healthy life. I can't fuckin stand people like you.

Instead of bitching about us, why not grow the fuck up, and step in line.

According to you, you seem to have a really good life, which is all thanks to HUMANITY dipshit. You have no reason to hate us, as you ARE one of us. What you just described is the life of your average higher class white boy.

You're part of your own problem.

Again you know nothing of me. So, if its okay with you, sift through your mind and figure out every assumption you've made. There are some techniques I can dig up from my grade 7 notes about analyzing sources if you want them. Help you pull apart facts from assumptions.

He said "before life developed on it." That means before plants. The planet was so lush and colorful when the sky was filled with methane and rivers flowed with lava. That was his point.

Magnificent.

mfw reading

I been arguing this point with hippies for some time now.

This man knows his shit.

lol you serious animals always try to maintain their territory

You sir are awesome.

Humans are not the only animals to cure sickness. Research has observed some primates which use natural medicine to cure certain afflictions. Everything else I agree with.

Also, everything is made of star stuff, humans are natural, therefore cities are natural, synthetically created chemicals are natural, they are the product of a species which was naturally created, "unnatural" should only be used to describe stuff not from this world or science fiction dimension-traversing beings.

The point is, human beings are a simply way for the cosmos to know itself. The universe seems dead from an outside observer, but within a human mind, lots more is possible. Creativity, art, imagination, wonder, scientific observation, exploration, discovery, and possibly most important to us humans, feelings, emotions and experience. The universe could not be aware if it weren't for the intelligent life that it created - us. While we don't want to intentionally cause suffering to other species, we are the most important species on the planet, and don't ever forget that.

*are simply a way

lol

I'm so damn glad we're all being positive in this thread - nothing frightens me more than mass panic & despair.
I want to become a Scientist, perhaps in the ecological fields, like Geosciences, to help the planet, and to help us, humans, animals, plants, machines live better. In harmony.

I'm also only 16, I'm only one individual, but I'm willing to exceed.

you'd be suprised at what one individual can do

just take it.

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

But, that's just a story.

He was quoting The Matrix, and using a very relevant quote at that. Do shut up before you hurt yourself.

troll harder

troll harder

Ah,but you see
People change, and viruses adapt

I love you

that was amazing

Wise-man James speaketh the trutheth

You awesome little motherfucker, you. ryderjamesbudde for FJ president.

You are by far the smartest 16 year old I have ever come across. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

according to recent studies cats have driven several thousand species extinct

Because humans brought them to places (mainly isolated islands) where they wouldnt have ended up otherwise, and if there were eg. birds that couldn't fly (like the Dodo) the cats would simply hunt them to extinction.

Apart from Cow farts, which are worse. The hole in the Ozone layer was caused by accident, CFC's were quickly banned and now the hole is repairing.

>the hole is repairing

yea, sure.

http://www.theozonehole.com/nasa7292003.htm

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?newsid=42902&cr=ozone#.UTFNHDBA3z4

cows farts contain methane which has been found to be more harmful the smog from car, suck it

Cows never produced enough methane to cause massive damage until humans started farming them and packing them in masses

then I'll also leave you with this

www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/10-animals-that-are-bad-for-the-environment/disrupting-natures-balance

1. Elephants: But when fences, farmland and human encroachment shrink the range
2. Locusts: (More of an inference based on increased fluctuating weather patterns caused by global warming.) caused by rain followed by drought, pushing greater numbers of the insects into a smaller area.
3. Crown of Thorns Fish: partly blamed on these sea stars which have experienced a population explosion over the last decade or so. The outbreaks are likely due to pollution from agricultural runoff,
4. Cattle: Driven by the growing food demands of an expanding human population
5. Common Carp: No argument, however their role is contributory towards a wetlands ecosystem.
6. Goats: where human populations have attempted to establish a settlement
!!
7. Cane Toads: they were purposely introduced to foreign habitats!!
8. Bark Beetle: No argument, but they're role in forest destruction only compliments ours, and doesn't really justify standing on its own when compared.
9. Rats: when they are introduced to non-native areas.

10. Humans... Well then, I'm not quite sure if this was against or towards my point.

But almost all of these animals devastating effect only comes in when humans start fucking with shit.

No other species pollutes like we do, and various microbes and phosynthetic lifeforms remove pollution and CO2.
More than several species of animals self-medicate, and some species of monkey even make their own bug repellant.
We're not great sprinters, but aside from horses we're pretty much the best long-distance runners on the planet.

You make very good points about how awesome we are, but don't undersell other life, it does some pretty amazing stuff. Also a bit of generalization on stopping pollution and extinction. China?

were actually better runners than horses, too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_versus_Horse_Marathon

regardless of the 'controversy' surrounding this modern event, humans and protohumans are the best long distance runners in history. 22 miles? sheeeit...humans can run for a hundred+

I would bend over for you, that was the most beautiful thing I've read in months

This comment was so awesome that I will proceed to masturbate to it. Right now.

Few questions.

1.) could have swore that plants drop their leaves to create more soil so that more plants can grow so that there is more food for animals so that more animals poop in the soil.

2.) aren't humans doing most of the damage?

3.) aren't most humans not trying?

I am ready for your rage.jpg

no one is answering, instead they just gun thumb down.

i've noticed......

ok this is what is gonna happen now.

you are going to go to /tg/ and post this

that will spawn one of the most wonderful things 4chan can produce

a HFY thread (Humanity, Fuck Yeah)

I like you. Did you write that yourself?
Extinction happens anyway because of natural selection. We may have sped it up, but the world has been been thru worse than us. Its a strong planet, and even if the ecosystems seems delicate, it can take it. The planet is fine, we may be fucked. And everything is natural. Everything came from the nature. Even radioative uranium. Plastic too, because we made it from the earth. We'll follow the rules of adaptation, and either survive and take what that requires, or break. Not even us are free from that rule. Hakuna Matata. As long as we dont nuclear bomb everything; don't worry

I did write it myself, and I like you too.

You magnificent bastard

There is hope yet for future generations.

read this and then get the fuck out

dude, we are all the essential fuel and labor to help humanity to conquer the universe

Actually, the reason you have so many likes is because
the reason you have so many likes
so many likes
likes
likes
likes

GLOURIOUS HUMAN MATER RACE!

For the Emperor!

The galaxy is ours to claim. We will either live as conquerors or die drenched in the blood of those that would deny us our birthright!

I like you.

I seriously don't understand why you guys who support people who want to have a healthy environment get thumbed down. You only have another opinion than other people, and it's so stupid of others to thumb you down just because you are thinking something different than them ><

This thread and content isn't about supporting the environment. It's about humans being a disease of the planet.

Yeah, I know, but I just thought that it's unnecessary to thumb down people who just have an another opinion.

If that's your opinion, then you should support thumbing people down so they might commit suicide.

Nah, don't feel like it.

See? Everyone talks about supporting the environment, but when it comes time to act, they just don't want to do their part.

True. I want to do something, but I just can't get my ass out of my house and take actions. Of course, I can stop being on my computer and I can farm my own food and hunt and stuff, but I'm too lazy.

Don't worry. It would be no service to the world if everyone stopped using computers and started farming their own food. We worked hard for thousands of years to be lazy, and we're not done yet.

Very true.

You can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs. There's no such thing as clean, just clean enough. If you want to go live in the woods until you discover footprint-less growth, go ahead.
Pro Tip: It's impossible all the way down to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Th-th-th-... Thank you. Thank you so much.

You are a very wise 16 year old.

The point is that we care.

I signed in on another computer to thumb you up twice.

This was beautiful

random shit, I like your avatar, i made it :)

Source? I... need it for Science

Neon Genesis Evangelion

give this mother fucker frontpage and a medal

that is by far the most amazing paragraph of script i have ever had the fortune to behold in my entire life