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User avatar #77 - niralius (02/27/2013) [-]
just clarifying, in christianity the "teacher" is there... but oh well... prepared for the red thumbs from atheists
#179 to #77 - zombielovez (02/28/2013) [-]
you got a red thumb from me for asking for red thumbs

cut that shit
#89 to #77 - dotasaurus (02/27/2013) [-]
how is the "teacher" there? has god personally taught you something? or are you listening to a pastor/priest/bible telling you how to live?
User avatar #95 to #89 - niralius (02/27/2013) [-]
the "teacher" in this case would be the bible, (yes, to me it is), but a pastor is there to help you based on what God taught through the bible.
#171 to #95 - beastarro (02/28/2013) [-]
The point of the post is to show that even though people want to pass the class (accept God), the fact that they have to randomly pick the right book (religion) or get set on fire (go to hell) is ridiculous.
#175 to #171 - anonymous (02/28/2013) [-]
I think you are falsely assuming that you are objectively either right or wrong in your choice of religion. How could any of us possibly know the mind of God on this matter?
#188 to #175 - beastarro (02/28/2013) [-]
Because hundreds of books have been written according to "the word of God" with specific instructions on what to do and what not to do. If you eat some bacon and the Koran is the correct holy book, you go to hell.


#103 to #95 - dotasaurus (02/27/2013) [-]
So the "teacher" is a obviously flawed and contradictory story of "gods word" that was written by men? That's like reading the book "I like to poop" in kindergarten and calling it scientific genius. Or a college physics professor with an associates degree in knitting.
User avatar #159 to #103 - zdshdci (02/28/2013) [-]
Contradictory? When people argue against the bible they use crazy references that paraphrase a quote from an antagonist in the old testament, which protestant churches don't even read.
#193 to #159 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
So the first chapters of the bible were horrid and god was horrid and did horrid things, but now because we only read the new testament and worship the new god, things are different? Does that make sense to you?

Do you look at a history textbook and skip to the american revolution just because you dont like history before that point?
User avatar #107 to #103 - niralius (02/27/2013) [-]
in christian cases they just follow and learn mostly from the new testament, and yes, we CHOOSE to believe in what this book contains, but that is just us, as what it contains, this same book tells us not to go shoving our beliefs down people's throats.
#134 to #107 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
As I said in a post farther down.

Faith is belief without evidence, by definition.

Science is Fact based on overwhelming evidence.

So the teacher in your case, would be an invisible teacher, with an nonexistant voice, that you HOPE is there, saying something, that you just cannot hear....even tho all your other classmates are out at recess.
User avatar #182 to #134 - zombielovez (02/28/2013) [-]
negitive thumb for "tho"
#195 to #182 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
I'm glad you found the time to put that in quotations.

Appreciate the thumb :)
#197 to #195 - zombielovez (02/28/2013) [-]
didn't take long... you're welcome.   
<no relation what so ever.
didn't take long... you're welcome.
<no relation what so ever.
#200 to #197 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
still creepy as fuck, Saved.
#147 to #134 - anonymous (02/28/2013) [-]
Just to add on the "book of contradictions," slight contradiction in certain cases is a good thing. One man wrote in the bible (don't ask me if it was John, or Luke, or whoever because I won't pretend to know specifically who) that his account of Jesus healing the cripple was healing one cripple. Another man who contributed to the bible claimed it was two men that Jesus helped.

This doesn't mean that either are wrong, but that the man who wrote about one cripple only wrote of what he remembers as being the more significant of the two. This contradiction between how many were healed can help the historical accuracy of the bible, because although the details of how many is different, we know multiple people saw it, and that they CLEARLY did not corroborate.

In a court of law, when two witnesses have the exact same story, lawyers will immediately say "They got together to get their story straight! Their credibility is shot!!"

The fact of the matter is that there is evidence.
User avatar #144 to #134 - niralius (02/28/2013) [-]
but what is so wrong in believeing? isn't that what everyone does on a daily basis? in which case believeing in The big bang is just what you say, a baseless belief, everyone believes in something like it or not
User avatar #166 to #144 - jedimindaugas (02/28/2013) [-]
Based on my own experience, I would describe faith as belief in a specific outcome of uncertainty. I mean we can have faith that someone will succeed even if the odds are against it, or have faith to roll two dices and get 12 point. Extracreditz did a good video on faith www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Vx9qoLzFs

Now about the picture. Teach is the God and the books are various interpretations and religious texts that contradict each other.
#156 to #144 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
There is a difference between Faith, and Belief.

Faith, is belief WITHOUT evidence.

Belief is similar to theory or hypothesis, its an idea with a little evidence to support it, but nowhere near enough to prove it as fact.

There is a chance that a belief can be proven scientifically, but it is nearly impossible to prove personal faith, by scientific standards....because personal faith is just that, personal. most "god" experiences cannot be repeated in a laboratory, or seen by others, or heard, or felt...which makes it impossible to prove.

Am I saying its wrong? Maybe, Just like the teacher analogy, you can hope he's there, and hope he's teaching or speaking, but you have a high probability of missing out on recess. (aka life)
#184 to #156 - anonymous (02/28/2013) [-]
From an epistemological stance, it would make sense that God is not obviously present to us. By this same stance, it is clear that having only isolated "experiences" instead of collective ones makes sense.

Look up John Hick's Soul-making argument
#181 to #156 - anonymous (02/28/2013) [-]
Technically a "theory" doesnt fit here. In science a theory has tons of evidence and is accepted as something as close to "fact" as you can get. A hypothesis is an idea, a theory is a reinforced widely accepted hypothesis that is in all sense correct. Theoretical and Theory have very little relation to one another, Theory has never implied little evidence.
#164 to #156 - anonymous (02/28/2013) [-]
"There is a difference between faith and belief"
"Faith, is belief"
wat
#165 to #164 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
They key words being "without evidence" quote the entire sentence.
#176 to #165 - anonymous (02/28/2013) [-]
That still doesnt even make sense. That means that it is still belief and faith still go hand in hand but are just a little different
#180 to #176 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
you can believe something without faith, but you can't have faith without believing something.

The difference is that faith is without evidence.
User avatar #161 to #156 - niralius (02/28/2013) [-]
I really don't feel like I'm missing life... I am driven by something and that helps me get through problems. I still drink (not heavily) and go do stupid stuff with friends, most of my friends are atheists and I go and do everything with them, we just have different beliefs but we still all have tons of fun.
#167 to #161 - dotasaurus (02/28/2013) [-]
Hey thats great....you're the exception to the rule. And recently there are quite a few exceptions to the rule,

User avatar #205 to #167 - numbersixtyseven **User deleted account** (02/28/2013) [-]
I've met a bunch of christians who are just lovely people to speak to. In any religion, it's often the orthodox believers that mess shit up for the majority.
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