Flip my Trigger. Who even says flip my trigger?. Cat- 4 hours ago via Mn bile on Nothing flips my trigger more then when someone lives in America and cannot spe Flip my Trigger Who even says flip trigger? Cat- 4 hours ago via Mn bile on Nothing flips trigger more then when someone lives in America and cannot spe
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Flip my Trigger. Who even says flip my trigger?. Cat- 4 hours ago via Mn bile on Nothing flips my trigger more then when someone lives in America and cannot spe

Who even says flip my trigger?

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Nothing flips my trigger more then when someone lives in
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#10 - ImAWizard
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#4 - tehjman
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Technically, typing and speaking are separate things. (Even though they're both forms of communicating.)   
   
But I still get the point of this post though.
Technically, typing and speaking are separate things. (Even though they're both forms of communicating.)

But I still get the point of this post though.
User avatar #6 to #4 - grahamernazi
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But saying "than" sounds different than "then." The Cat can't speak English.
#85 to #6 - anon id: 35ab4810
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There homophones, unless you have a really outlandish accent.
User avatar #87 to #85 - grahamernazi
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You are a moron and that's why you posted in cowardice.
#90 to #87 - anon id: 35ab4810
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How sew?
User avatar #92 to #90 - grahamernazi
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#95 to #92 - anon id: 35ab4810
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en.wiktionary.org/wiki/than
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/then

Unstressed than is exactly the same. You know, the way it's spoken conversationally almost all the time.
User avatar #97 to #95 - grahamernazi
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It is completely recognizable which one is spoken to a fairly intelligible person that knows English.
#99 to #97 - anon id: 35ab4810
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Not if they aren't speaking in context. They are well established homophones.
User avatar #102 to #99 - grahamernazi
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I have never had a problem differentiating them. All I have to say.
#26 - felixjarl
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She is a cat?
User avatar #9 - seniorpokeman
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This post really flipped my trigger.
User avatar #13 to #9 - theugandanhero
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This post really squished my flipper.
User avatar #22 to #13 - thelegitmetalhead
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That sentence really clonked my jigger.
User avatar #52 to #22 - psykobear
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That sentence really whipped my ******.
User avatar #53 to #52 - thelegitmetalhead
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YES
#159 to #22 - jigger
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i feel clonked
User avatar #160 to #159 - thelegitmetalhead
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Are you sure you're not clinked?
#11 - anon id: 3af9267d
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******* illegal immigrants piss me off. Get the **** out of the country. Learn the language BEFORE you ******* come here and while you're at it, get rid of that accent. We speak English in America. Learn it. If I went to their country, then I'd learn their language. If I go to Germany, I'd learn German. If I go to Russia, I'd learn Russian. If you come to America, learn English
#43 to #11 - ilikerapingmen
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Its amazing how many people don't realize this is copypasta, and that they are getting trolled.
User avatar #51 to #43 - psykobear
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How would people realize this?
Not everyone memorizes the copypastas to avoid trolling.
Most of us don't give a damn.
User avatar #54 to #51 - ilikerapingmen
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Its still a pretty obvious troll

I mean, come on, he posted as anon
#57 to #54 - psykobear
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User avatar #15 to #11 - iizsimon
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american*
#17 to #11 - anon id: 6f1d2e30
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I hate illegal aliens as well, however I hate them for the important reason of they're skipping out on taxes like a bunch of dickish children who eat all the cake without helping make it. Not because they don't speak English.
User avatar #31 to #17 - hippymofuka
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Who told you we don't pay taxes? Yeah i'm illegal and i pay my cut.
User avatar #56 to #31 - dafiltafish
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why? you don't have to pay taxes.
User avatar #41 to #31 - thatguywhohasbacon
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How do you pay taxes without even technically existing?
User avatar #82 to #41 - hippymofuka
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I do exist according to my employer, we use different names to work and we have mod social security but our money still goes to paying taxes, federal and state.
#86 to #82 - anon id: 3af9267d
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The fact that you mentioned that they use fraudulent SS numbers as an example... that is extremely illegal and a huge problem. I seriously hope your employer gets thrown and jail and you get your ass deported. You're taking that job away from a legal American citizen.
User avatar #91 to #86 - hippymofuka
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Why don't they arrest the one that are actually taking the american jobs, you know, like the big corporations; walmart, shell, etc.
#106 to #91 - anon id: 3af9267d
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Actually a lot of these corporations are bringing jobs back to America. Ford for example just closed down a factory in Europe (I forget where) and is reopening it somewhere in the middle states. How is Walmart taking jobs away though? If they open a store in America they hire American employees... They have stores in other countries though but that doesn't take American jobs. They actually hire millions of Americans, they're one of the #1 employers.
User avatar #113 to #106 - hippymofuka
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Because they pay manufactures in other countries to make the products. Like toshiba, makes products in other countries with slave salary, a job that could be worked by americans but instead it's work by some middle-asian country.
#122 to #113 - anon id: 3af9267d
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And right now as we speak congress is trying to do something about this. They're making these corporations keep the jobs in America. But still the original point, stop taking legal American's jobs. You have to start small.
User avatar #124 to #122 - hippymofuka
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So you want me and my parents to quit our jobs, lose our house and starve to death? no thank you.
#129 to #124 - anon id: 3af9267d
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You shouldn't have come here illegally in the first place. Ah you live in Arizona, I should have known. You also look like a dirty Mexican. I like Arizona for it's immigration laws. I hope you get stopped on the street with your fake information and your ass gets deported. Along with your family.
User avatar #139 to #129 - hippymofuka
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I didnt come here, i was brought here. And yeah Arizona is a horrible place for immigrants, too bad for them that i live in Tucson and we have a strong community and we take care of each other so dont get so excited cus i wont get deported.
#144 to #139 - anon id: 3af9267d
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Well then you shouldn't have been brought here illegally. Arizona is a model for how all of America should treat immigrants. I really wish I could report you to the proper authorities... if you wanted to live here than do it the right way, if you don't want to do it the right way than you obviously don't want to be here that badly.
User avatar #145 to #144 - hippymofuka
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That's the ******* point! They are not giving the opportunity to do it the right way to people like me who are forced to lived by these conditions. People in Washington who have a phobia towards immigrant aren't giving the opportunity because they are a bunch of racist old hags. Listen to what one of your leaders, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, says about immigrants for **** sakes.
#146 to #145 - anon id: 3af9267d
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Now it's too late, you already came here illegally and broke US law. That's why you can't do it now, you ****** up and now need to pay for it. Your parents should have done it the right way in the first place. Do all the proper steps then when you're approved come here.

Also they try to keep you out because of statistics. This may sound racist but it's a fact, minorities (mostly blacks and latinos) commit more crimes than whites. Statistically speaking. So that's why. The ones who do something good do not outweigh the bad, it's just not worth it.
User avatar #147 to #146 - hippymofuka
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I didn't ****** up and my parents aren't to blame either. My mom was running away from my abusive father. Mexico has no work that could help my mom take care of 3 kids and the mexican government doesn't bother to help broken families. The only people that can do it "legally" are those who do not need to migrate because they are already in families of means.

As for the crime, think about it, if you come here for a better future but you cannot find a job because Bob Goodlatte said that mexican immigrants should not have equal rights as human beings and they should work like slaves, then where do you go to make money? Very few people who actually commit crimes are proud of it, in the other hand, the majority of criminals are ashamed of what they do for a living, selling drugs or robing people that is not something that some one wakes up one morning and decides to do.
#148 to #147 - anon id: 3af9267d
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So your mom was running from her problems? Maybe she shouldn't have had 3 kids then huh? Or not have gotten with your father in the first place. And now she made it even worse by illegally migrating here. She made her mistakes and now she has to live with them. No one's to blame but herself for making horrible life decisions.

So these people who break the law and illegally come here expect to be treated as equals to the ones who were born here or migrated here the right way? They're just looking for the easiest way to come here. Also, how about instead of making our country worse you make yours better? Have some nationalism and try to fix your country.
User avatar #149 to #148 - hippymofuka
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You should kill yourself, if you seriously see any person as less than equal. And seriously? You are blaming my mom for what happened to her? **** off, dude. You are just a worthless piece of racist inhumane ****.
#158 to #149 - anon id: 3af9267d
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So why don't your own people do something about it instead of jumping the border to **** us up?! You obviously have no nationalists there. I don't blame them though, if I was Mexican, I wouldn't be proud of my **** country either. You haven't done anything good since the Aztecs.

Maybe you'd understand why I hate these illegal immigrants if you grew up in my twn. I grew up in a mostly white town and I saw before my very eyes you ******* Mexicans flood into my once peaceful town and it's been down hill ever since. It's not only you though, the blacks ruined it too. I saw this town go from a beautiful suburb to what it is now. You ******* minorities ruined it. Stores are closing down, there's more crime, and the town just simply doesn't look as nice as it used it.
#156 to #149 - anon id: 3af9267d
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We should have left you out because you have nothing to offer. There's no point in including you in a trading agreement when you have nothing to ******* trade.

I'll say it again, why don't you ******* dirty Mexicans do something about the problems there then instead of running across the border to **** us up?! You obviously have no nationalists there. I don't blame them though, if I was Mexican, I wouldn't be proud of my **** country either. You haven't done anything good since the Aztecs.

They better not reform it. It should become more difficult to become a citizen, not easier. We already have too many, we don't need any more trash than what we already have.
User avatar #157 to #156 - hippymofuka
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You didnt read the agreement fully. It's a trade agreement where goods can cross borders with out taxation. Also, it allows corporations to establish in Mexico and Canada. Because they are foreign Corporations, Mexico cannot regulate them. Corporations like Walmart give out jobs but pay so little is not worth it. They buy land that is owned by people and take it away by force. Now you have people being screwed by American corporations running away looking for a better future. So if you are going to blame anyone for Mexicos tragedy and people coming over, think about who is causing and what you are doing to stop it. Like an Oil spill, close the valve not just cover the ocean. pretty simple stuff.

As for the reform, well, suck it up 'cause it's happening.
#154 to #149 - anon id: 3af9267d
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America can't go around solving everyone else's problem. Other countries need to do it them damn selves. I honestly don't give a **** what happens in Mexico. You're Mexican so you probably do, so you should be the one to try to fix the problems, not us. We have our own **** to deal with.

We should have left Mexico out of NAFTA. Canada and US should have been the only ones in it.

It's illegal for a reason and they know it's illegal so they make the conscious decision to break the law knowing full well the consequences.
User avatar #155 to #154 - hippymofuka
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"We should have left Mexico out of NAFTA. Canada and US should have been the only ones in it. "

Exactly my point!

It's because of NAFTA there is no work in Mexico. Only slave work shops that's why people leave. That's why Natives in mexico lose their land and they look for a better place to live. Read between the lines. Question your own government.

Either way, believe it or not, but 70% of the US agrees with the idea of the Immigration Reform. Like it or not, there is going to be a lot more immigrants turning into Residents. Stay tuned to the news.
#152 to #149 - anon id: 3af9267d
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Reply limit reached on other comment.
We can't just have every person who wants to just come into our country. It wouldn't work out well. We need those laws or else there would be a flood of people coming in. If anything, I think we should let less people in. People who are illegal immigrants are breaking the law, it even says so right there; "Illegal". I'm imagining a better future. I want to keep America American.
User avatar #153 to #152 - hippymofuka
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KKK reference?

And calling something illegal doesnt make it unlawful. It's like calling someone gay and it makes them gay. That's just word play to get people to hate immigrants.

If you would had research NAFTA you would know why there is so much immigration happening. You can close the border with a 100ft tall wall but they will manage to find a way to get in. You need to solve the root of the problem. I too imagine a better future. And even though i am Mexican, i love this country and i will find a way to stop all this nonsense hate.
#150 to #149 - anon id: 3af9267d
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I don't feel like criminals are equal to the rest of us, sorry. Those who break the law should not expect to be welcomed with open arms and just have all the same benefits as every other law abiding citizen. The people who immigrated here legally or were born here deserve these benefits. Or else a lot more people would just come here illegally. Your mom made the choices in her life, no one forced her to have 3 children when she didn't have a stable source of income to support them. She also obviously chose to be with your crazy father, how is that anyone else's fault but her own? She dug her own grave.
User avatar #151 to #150 - hippymofuka
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People starving and looking for a better tomorrow are not criminals, the "laws" that say otherwise are completely inhumane.

I am an law abiding resident, I have never in my life broken an actual law here or hurt anyone or done anything that could be frown upon.

The people who legally came here where never in need of doing so, they had money to pay for such a thing.

You seriously think it's my moms fault? You must be one of those sexist assholes who blame women on everything that happens huh? How was my mom suppose to know that my dad would turn abusive after a 7 years together, eh?

Like seriously, I am in complete shock that there is a person out there lie you. If you seriously think of life in that way, i don't know what kind of future you are imagining.
#42 to #31 - anon id: 3af9267d
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Illegal Immigrants do not pay taxes, yet live in this country. That is one of my many issues with illegal immigrants. If some illegal Mexican mows a lawn and gets 100 dollars he pays no payroll or income tax.
User avatar #72 to #42 - Ruspanic
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No one pays payroll or income tax for mowing lawns, illegal immigrant or not.
#79 to #72 - anon id: 3af9267d
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The manual labor they do takes jobs away from true Americans. They mow the lawn and take work away from landscapers. They build sheds and stuff and take jobs away from carpenters. They paint houses and sheds or whatever and takes jobs away from professional painters.
User avatar #83 to #79 - Ruspanic
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Do unemployed teenagers also take jobs away from professionals when they mow lawns over the summer?
Anyway, you're focusing on the wrong kind of job. Most people who make your argument talk about illegal immigrants with full-time or part-time jobs, such as construction workers or vegetable pickers.

Are you opposed to migrant workers too, who don't permanently live in the US?
#89 to #83 - anon id: 3af9267d
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If you come here legally I'm fine with you. I honestly don't like you as much as someone who was born and raised in America, but you're better than illegal immigrants. Those unemployed teenagers are legal American citizens at least. Payment is also a huge problem I have with immigrants. They come here, get a job, get paid, then send their money back to their home country. That's where the money circulates, not here. I blame them partially for the economy problem we're having here. Keep the money here where it can circulate. That would definitely help.
User avatar #100 to #89 - Ruspanic
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Meh. Capitalism is not patriotic, nor does it need to be.
When migrant workers and some illegal immigrants (and some legal immigrants) send money to their families back home, that money goes into circulation in their home country, but people in the US benefit from the labor. If you earned your money, you have the right to spend it wherever you want. It's no different from buying foreign products, which we all do anyway.

Why don't you like legal immigrants as much as American-born citizens? Why is simply being American a virtue?
#104 to #100 - anon id: 3af9267d
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The American citizen whose job the illegal immigrant took does not benefit. If you want to come into this country so badly, at least do it the right way, if you're unwilling to do it the right way, than you don't really want to be here that badly and are just taking the easy way out. If you work here and get paid here, you should spend your money here. Other ways the money leaves America and goes to the other country. It needs to stay right here in order for our economy to function optimally. You buy foreign products from a store here so the store still gets money. I want to keep America American, that's why. But that's a different discussion. And being an American is a virtue because it's the greatest country ever.
User avatar #107 to #104 - Ruspanic
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"The American citizen whose job the illegal immigrant took does not benefit."
It wasn't technically his job to begin with, unless he was literally fired so he could be replaced by the illegal immigrant.

"If you want to come into this country so badly, at least do it the right way"
Agreed.

"if you're unwilling to do it the right way, than you don't really want to be here that badly and are just taking the easy way out"
Although illegal immigration is a crime, the legal immigration process can be very difficult. Sometimes it can take 10-20 years to get all the paperwork approved, and sometimes the cost of application can be more than a family's monthly income. If your priority is feeding your family, crossing the border illegally or overstaying your visa might be worth it. It's like when a homeless person shoplifts to feed himself or sleeps in an abandoned house to keep from freezing to death or something. It's a crime, but when your basic needs and well-being are at stake you can do desperate things.
At least illegal immigrant workers contribute their labor to our economy, whereas shoplifters contribute nothing and only take away from it.

"[money] needs to stay right here in order for our economy to function optimally"
Not so. Trade, including international trade, is good for the economy and makes our country more prosperous.
Of course, simply sending your income out of the country without any sort of tangible exchange isn't trade, but it's not as if the money never comes back. Money circulates in the global economy as well as within our borders.

"being an American is a virtue because it's the greatest country ever."
Regardless of whether or not it's the greatest country ever, simply being born in a developed and free country doesn't make you a good person, or better than people of other nationalities.
#111 to #107 - anon id: 3af9267d
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1, An American citizen would have and should have gotten that job in the first place.
2. Glad you agree.
3. I disagree, if anything, I think the test should be harder. The American Citizenship test should definitely have a much larger and intense English portion. They need to know English before they get here.
4. Like you said, that's not trade because we get nothing back.
5. It's genetics. 'm a strong believer in genetics. You can't fight your biology. Actually speaking of which i'm in college and for my criminology class we have to write a research paper. My topic is Genetic predisposition to crime and i'm going to focus mainly on blacks/latinos/whites and prison rates. Gonna be a fun paper. I can share some of my statistics I have already gathered with you if you'd like.
User avatar #114 to #111 - Ruspanic
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Yeah, we've had this discussion on genetics before. I pointed out that crime, poverty and achievement correlations could have any number of causal factors, and that statistics alone tell you very little about causation in general. You refused to even consider anything besides inherent racial characteristics, dismissing environmental, historical, cultural and socioeconomic factors as "excuses". Some scientist you are.

Anyway, there's certainly no evidence that even suggests that Americans specifically are genetically superior to people of other nationalities, especially considering that the US is one of the most diverse countries in the world.
#120 to #114 - anon id: 3af9267d
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I have studied about all of those different theories in college classes already, and that's all they are, theories. I always hated learning about them because I really do think of them as excuses. I'm a strong believer in self responsibility. They can't go throughout life blaming their problems on everyone/everything except themselves. They made the conscious decision to do what they do. They need to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses.

American's and pretty much every race are definitely superior to Africans. Rome was about 2000 years ago. They had these beautiful marble buildings, running water in many places, a basic plumbing system. Look at most parts of Africa today. Mud huts and ****. Scientists say that life originated in Africa, meaning they've had more time than any other group on people on the entire planet to get their **** together, but they failed. Miserably. Egypt is the only exception but that's because they're right by the middle east so they weren't corrupted by the rest of Africa.
User avatar #125 to #120 - Ruspanic
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Your theory that achievement and "superiority" is determined entirely by genetics is also just a theory, and a weak one at that.
Although you may believe in personal responsibility, it's naive, to say the least, to dismiss all circumstantial factors as "excuses". People do not have absolute free will. After all, you have no problem blaming everything on race, which is clearly not a matter of responsibility but an accident of birth.

Civilization is an excellent example. Although anatomically modern humans originated around Ethiopia, the first civilization is largely believed to have been in Mesopotamia, i.e. outside of Africa. Why? Because that region was in a fertile river valley with abundant resources, plenty of domesticable animals for food and clothing, and relatively few environmental hazards like dangerous predators. It was because of geography, not because the Mesopotamians were somehow "superior" to the Africans.

Human progress proceeds exponentially: it took many thousands of years to make even basic agricultural and technological advances, and for the majority of humankind's existence we were nomadic hunter-gatherers.
After the Agricultural Revolution everything sped up considerably and major advances were made with increasing frequency, because they built upon past achievements.
When you're literally starting from scratch, a lot depends on your resources and environment. It's must easier to settle down and plant crops in a safe, fertile river valley than some predator-infested wasteland.
That's why the first civilizations started around major rivers (Tigris and Euphrates, Indus, Nile, Yangtze). The African civilizations did to, when they got going - not just Egypt, but the Mali and Songhai Empires around the Niger River, and the many other West African civilizations. There were some major civilizations in other parts of Africa (Ethiopia, Bantu kingdoms) but these places were poorly suited to support long-term settlements. Cont'd...
#127 to #125 - Ruspanic
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...cont'd

(Pictured: Timbuktu, Mali. Part of various West African empires)

Think of the geography of sub-Saharan Africa. There's plenty of rivers in the jungles of Central Africa, but those areas were and are infested with disease-carrying parasites and similar hazards. Then there's the grasslands of East Africa, with sparse trees, many dangerous predators, and very few domesticable animals that can be herded. The hunter-gatherer lifestyle makes the most sense there, because antelopes and zebras are not domesticable. And in Southern or Southwestern Africa there's a barren desert, the Kalahari.
Camels, sheep, goats, and donkeys are native to precisely those parts of Africa that did develop civilizations. Do you think that's a coincidence?

When you consider that humans have been around for some 200,000 years, and that civilizations only began to arise around 8000 years ago with the Agricultural Revolution, the relatively late development of black African civilization (compared to China or Europe or India) is not actually all that late.

Excuses, you say? I think if we took a bunch of ancient Roman infants - young enough to be "blank slates" - and stuck them in prehistoric Zambia or Mozambique, highly doubt they would develop a culturally advanced civilization in a few generations. Or even a few thousand years.
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You can't argue with cold hard statistics, they're facts. Some kids living in the same exact environments don't become criminals, while others do. You can't blame the environment. Africa has rivers too. For example, the Nile River. The Nile River valley is a very big river and great source of water, and has very fertile soil. Egypt was able to utilize it, why couldn't these other "civilizations" do that? And i'm using civilization very loosely... The Mesopotamian's, along with every other civilization, were intellectually superior to Africans. Human progress proceeded exponentially everywhere except Africa, where it has remained at a constant level for many, many years. Like I said, Africa had many river valleys with fertile soil as well. All the reasons you listed in the continued comment make sense back then, but in the modern world they don't need to worry about these things. They still haven't changed and become civilized, they're still tribal people. I'm pretty sure if we took those babies and allowed them to, they'd have something a hell of a lot better than what Africa is like now.
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Read my posts more carefully. I addressed all this stuff about river valleys.

"human progress proceeded exponentially everywhere except Africa, where it has remained at a constant level for many, many years. "
It remained constant for all humans for like 96% of human existence. Look, I even drew you a helpful diagram. See that flat almost-horizontal part? That's most of human history, including in Europe and Asia. If you look at just Africa-minus-Egypt, the curve would be shifted a teensy bit to the right.
Homo sapiens reached the Middle East (e.g. the fertile valley of Mesopotamia) 125,000 years ago, but only developed the first civilization like 8,000 years ago.

We were all primitive savages for most of out existence, and the people who came out of first were those who had the most resources.

And "cold hard statistics" tell you nothing about causation. You can find stats to "support" any theory you care to make up, but that doesn't mean the theory is correct.

If you did a literacy study in the Middle Ages, you'd find that girls had much lower literacy than men. Would you conclude that men are inherently smarter than women?
If so, you'd be a colossal idiot, because women at the time were literally denied access to education.
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If I looked at Africa minus Egypt the line would remain to slightly go up at the same rate up to this moment. They haven't advanced at all. They lived in mudhuts 8,000 years ago and they live in mudhuts today. All of these reasons still do not explain why today, in the modern world, with all these opportunities and resources Africa now has resources to, they still can not get their **** together. This is why it is in their DNA. As a people, they have a much limited intelligence quota than other groups of people. Their brain isn't as evolved. I have a theory to explain why but that's a theory of my own. It's my own idea to explain why they seem to be so much less intelligent than everyone else. I'm sure you wouldn't agree with it so i'm not gonna type it unless you ask me to elaborate on it.

But now the statistics point. That explains why it'll be like that back then. But in the modern world, everyone has equal opportunities. They can no longer use the same excuses they used to.
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Do you seriously believe most Africans live in mudhuts? Are you ******* stupid?

"But in the modern world, everyone has equal opportunities."
Absolutely wrong. I shouldn't even have to explain how naive and false this idea is.

I'm out of time, but look up the Songhai, Mali, Ethiopian, Great Zimbabwe empires. Look up the West African people who sold the slaves to the Europeans who colonized the Americas. If it weren't for the slavery and the colonialism in Africa some of these civilizations might even still exist.
Actually, just do more research in general about history and causal factors, instead of making up pseudoscientific theories to support your preconceived beliefs.
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(forgot to address this point: environmental or any other factors never equally affect every individual in the population, but they do affect general trends and statistical correlations).

< These are Sami people circa 1900, a time, when most European cities were industrialized.
The Sami are native to northern Scandinavia (they are white Europeans), and their ties to that land can be traced back to prehistoric times. For most of their existence they have been nomadic hunters and fishermen.
Why? Because they're genetically inferior to other white people?
Of maybe it's because they live in a ******* frozen wasteland.
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That pisses me off about them too, they're skipping out on taxes. They also take jobs. inb4 the jobs that no one wants. Just shut the **** up. If you have a family and just lost your job, you'll do what ever it takes to keep food on the table. You'll mow a damn lawn, do some manual labor, it doesn't matter. I don't understand where this false sense of entitlement comes from. Especially with kids around my age (19). They act like they're too good to do certain jobs like fast food and stuff. They need to get over themselves. You have no reason to feel accomplished and like you deserve anything.
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Tell your corporations to stop causing inflation in their home countrys, than maybe they won't need to come and here the clean your ****. Also tell your governemnt to stop supporting dicators in their countrys while people like you yell freedom.
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They should fix their own damn problems instead of ******* up our country.
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Again, it's American corporations that are making those economics problems and. Read up on "economic hitmen".
Also your government support puppet democracies and dictators which allows your corporations to dumb uneccessary and overpriced goods in their countrys, while the puppet democracy president and dicatators get rich, this happens in places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.

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So they should do something about it, don't just be an angry old man shaking his fist at kids for being on his lawn. Get off your ass and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. How is it our fault that heir government employees are so easily corruptible?
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Because the American military is backing these corporations, and no one nation in the wolrd can take on our military (maybe if 2 or 3 nations decide to fight together, then yes, but not one on one).
I'm not talking about the ordinary soldier who just signed up for military service to escape financial troubles, I'm talking about the military leaders. Remeber Eisenhower warning about the "military industrial complex".
Again, read up on "Economic hitmen", you might understand it better, of course unless you listen to the mainstream media (especially Fox News and MSNBC).
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By the way, most if not all government officals are corrputed, including our government. Except here it is legal corrpution in the form of Lobbys and special interest groups. For example, you have to Isrealu lobby lobbing for the removel of Hagel as a defense secreatry, so we are allowing foreign powers to dictate our nomiantions.
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How did we find about about the Kony thing last year? Just start **** about it to educate the people and **** will get done. Don't just complain and expect it to go away.
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You thing you can comapre a whole industry backed by the military, approved by out leders comapres to a commander rebel in some jungles. Come on.

By the way it has been talked about, ever since Eisenhower, but you know what, not enough people care because they are too busy with video games, tv and other consumeristic goods, and whenever there is a problem, lets blame the foreigners in this country.

You can start with thist video:
1. Two minute video explaining what economic hitmen are: www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Fzm1hEiDQ

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#32 to #11 - hippymofuka
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There is no official US language so shut your trap.
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We were settled by English speaking settlers. We were an English settlement, founded by English settlers, from England, that spoke ******* ENGLISH. So they need to learn English because we speak English in this country.
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and the Spanish, and the French.

in the words of hippymofuka, "shut your trap"
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No not by the Spanish or French. The first settlers to step foot on this land were English Settlers. All those other nationalities came later.
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You forgot the natives, buddy.
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We didn't take anything from them. They didn't believe in ownership of land, they had no grasp of what property was. So they didn't actually own the land. We built houses and said we own it. We were the ones who declared ownership of the land, not them. It's like a homeless person breaking into an abandoned house and living there. He doesn't live there because he does not own the land. He is just sleeping there. No ownership at all. I don't care how long they lived there, their philosophy was "it's everyone's land! We're all brothers!" We did not have the same philosophy. The grounds weren't sacred to us so we didn't care. It's just dirt, nothing special about it. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic anyways so they were used to moving around. We were settled by White, English speaking settlers. We were an English settlement, founded by English settlers, from England, that spoke ******* ENGLISH. So they need to learn English because we speak English in this country.
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They had their own societies and societal rules. They had no obligation to abide by European rules of ownership, and it's ridiculous and unfair to hold them to those standards. The fact remains that they lived on the land and the Europeans forced them out of their homes, which was unjust and unethical.

Besides that, it's a false assumption that the natives had no concept of land ownership. Many of them just believed in communal ownership of land (i.e. by the tribe) rather than individual ownership. A form of communism, basically.

Since the natives believed land could not be individually owned, would they have been justified in torching all the European settlements to enforce that rule, or squatting on colonists' property, had they been strong enough to pull it off?

I remember you. We've had this discussion before. As I said last time, the fact that you consider them "uncivilized savages" does not mean they had no rights, or that the settlers were entitled to claim their land by "virtue" of being stronger.

As for English - individual liberty is more important than cultural or linguistic identity. People have the right to speak whatever language they want, regardless of where they live. It'd be responsible of immigrants to learn English, but if they choose not to or cannot, they have to deal with not being able to communicate with their neighbors and similar challenges.

And stop spamming your own copypasta.
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Unethical? You want to talk about ethics? **** ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider murder horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative. That's how war works though. You think people have rights during war? I would have loved to see them try to torch our settlements, they would have been simply initiated. They knew better. You don't **** with the big kid on the playground basically, they learned that the hard way. The fact is they were not strong enough to do so because they were an advanced civilization, like I keep saying, they were savages. A language barrier can make a bad situation A LOT worse. Trying to communicate with the police for example. Another example if someone was ever mugged, they have some angry thug yelling at him for his watch or wallet, and they has no clue what's going on and as a result gets killed.
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"**** ethics, they're different in every society."
If ethics are relative, why are property rights universal?

"That's how war works though. You think people have rights during war? "
Yes.
Are you saying you can get away with anything as long as you start a war first? Was the Holocaust okay because Germany was at war? If the US invaded Canada and tortured all its children to death, would that be justified because they were at war?
There are theories of just war and the war against the native Americans was not just.
Might does not make right. I don't understand how you can have that philosophy and call others savages.

I agree with your points about the benefits of learning English in the US, and I think responsible immigrants should learn English if possible. But that decision is theirs to make, not yours.
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It was all absolutely necessary and I regret it in no way, shape, or form. I am proud of my history and heritage and what my ancestors have done. If they hadn't, I wouldn't be here today and this great Nation would not be either. It was a necessary evil.
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Well, at least you admit that it was an evil. That's something, I guess.

It was not necessary at all. The settlers wouldn't have died or anything had they stayed in Europe, and even if they did move to escape persecution, their persecution did not justify committing practical genocide on another population. Or what if they had settled, but simply integrated the natives into their society (or vice-versa) as equals?
We have no way of knowing how things would have turned out had the Americas never been colonized. For all we know that outcome could be just as great, or better. Or it could have been much worse. You can appreciate this outcome without being proud of all the horrible things that were done to get to this point.

Would I go back and change it all if I could? No, because what's done is done and there's no telling what would have happened otherwise. But the ends still do not justify the means.
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For us to have integrated we would have had to stoop down to their level, literally going backwards in civilization. We were the more advanced society so they should have risen up to our level. They were not equals and should not have been treated as such. I'm getting tired of saying savages so i'm going to call them barbarians instead. They were barbarians. I'd rather not take that chance of knowing how worse or better it could have been, i'm perfectly fine with the way things are now. Not worth the chance.
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I'm also content with how things turned out so far (relatively - not that there aren't plenty of problems today), and I think life is better now than it was then, but that doesn't mean I'm happy about what was done to the natives.

All people have equal natural rights and should therefore be treated as equals within society. The native Americans were not equals in terms of technological advancement (mostly; the Aztecs had some legit engineering skills) or literacy, but they were equals because they were fellow human beings.

Again, whether you judge the natives to be savages or barbarians is irrelevant. Despite your attempts to dehumanize them, they had the same rights to life and liberty as the European settlers, and they had the right to live a simple and "primitive" lifestyle if they so wished.

I'll also remind you that the "civilized" Puritan settlers you so idolize were executing innocent people for "witchcraft". This is no less barbaric than human sacrifice.
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Now this is where the conversation can take a bad turn. I honestly believe everyone is not equal. Some people are born with sever mental disorders and I do not consider them equal to the normal people. I do not mean the people with slight OCD or something, I mean the extreme cases where they can't do anything useful within a society and are just a parasite. I do not believe those leeches have a right to life when they give nothing back and can never be a functioning member of society. Same thing goes with intelligence. I do not believe I am equal to Stephen Hawkins let's say. He is definitely my superior mentally. Physically, I am his superior. But mental strength is more important, so he is greater than I am. They were primitive barbarians and were not on the same mental levels as the settlers, so they were not their equal. We tried to build schools and actually educate them, they couldn't learn. It was a waste of time.
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As far as equality is concerned, we should clarify the term. It makes no sense to say someone is equal or not equal to (or better or worse than) another person, without specifying the trait or ability. So while you can say Stephen Hawking and you are not equals in terms of intellectual ability, or that the Native Americans were not equal to the Europeans in terms of military prowess you cannot say you are not equals, period. That is not useful or meaningful. It's like saying the US is better than all other countries. Better at what?

We can say that people are by default equal in their natural individual rights.These rights are inherent and do not have anything to do with societal contributions. They are more important than and take priority over "society" or the common good.

Natural rights can be forfeited only by one's own actions: the violation of other people's rights. For example, a person who commits unjustifiable homicide (i.e. violates another's right to life) in doing so gives up his own right to life, and puts his fate in the hands of others. Rights do not depend on one's abilities or inherent traits or contributions to society.
People do not owe you their labor.
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The settlers were superior in every way. That is why they are just not equal in general.

I disagree. I value a persons life as how much they can contribute to their society. A common criminal's life is in no way equal to a doctor's who has saved countless lives. I'd sacrifice the criminals life in a heart beat in order to save the doctor. The mentally challenged are useless and are nothing but parasites. They leech off of everyone around them and give nothing back. They can never live on their own, someone always has to take care of them, and they'll never have a job. They're a burden to everyone around them. They can never be a productive member of society.

People do not owe ME their labors, but they do owe the society they live in.
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It amuses me that you are so patriotic, but don't seem to believe in any of your country's founding principles.

"The settlers were superior in every way. That is why they are just not equal in general. "
In every way, huh? So you're telling me the natives didn't teach the settlers better farming techniques that allowed the original colonies to survive?

"I value a persons life as how much they can contribute to their society."
It doesn't matter how much you value a person's life, they're have a natural right to life regardless of whether you care about it. If you murder someone you consider useless, that is no less a crime than murdering a wealthy philanthropist or an inventor, and you are no less of a murderer.

" I'd sacrifice the criminal's life in a heart beat in order to save the doctor."
That's different, because you're assuming only one of them can live. If I had to pick which one to save, I'd also choose the doctor. But that doesn't mean they don't both have equal rights to life (unless the criminal is a murderer or something similarly horrible), or that the criminal's life is expendable.

But criminals can be a special case. Let's talk about mentally ill or physically disabled people, who have done nothing wrong but are unable to contribute to society. They still have inalienable rights. All natural rights stem from personal autonomy (life, free speech and thought and belief, free assembly, control over one's own body, control over one's own legitimate property, etc).
Autonomy is literally innate. It's the one and only natural entitlement and possession.
Because people have equal rights by default, violating and therefore disregarding the rights of others is equivalent to forfeiting your own rights.

Cont'd (I'm getting really long-winded here, aren't I?)
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"People do not owe ME their labors, but they do owe the society they live in."
Society IS you, or more accurately a collection of "yous" (individuals). People are individuals before they are members of society, and society exists to benefit the individuals within it. Society minus individuals doesn't matter at all, and we owe it nothing.

If you're worried about people "leeching" off society without contributing to it (I'm assuming you mean "leeching" off taxpayer-funded services) the natural solution is to deny those people the benefits they are receiving, which they aren't entitled to anyway, until they start contributing to "pay" for it. But I think in the case of people who literally cannot provide for themselves, denying them what they need for subsistence and a decent life is inhumane.
The answer is NOT to violate their natural rights, because people would have rights (autonomy) even if society did not exist.

Anyway, most of what people contribute to society is not freely given out of patriotism or altruism. In a capitalist society, everyone is primarily concerned with their own self-interest, and work so they can benefit from their own work. Society, technology, and quality of life improve mainly as a biproduct of individual self-interest, not because of intentional efforts for the common good.

If people don't or can't work, they can't reap the benefits of their own work. That's their loss and not ours.
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"Free speech and thought and belief"
Their brain in severely damaged, they can not think let alone form coherent sentences. No one cares about some rambling from a retard. They can't think let alone believe in anything. They have nothing to believe in, I doubt they even are aware of their own existence truly. They're like a worm going about their daily business not realizing the bigger world around them.
"free assembly"
Not without their care takers they can't assemble. And even if they did, what the **** do a bunch of retards have to discuss? Honestly, what color their **** was today? Assuming they even know colors... A group of mentally disabled people can't just assemble somewhere, they'd need an able minded person to set it up. But that would be pointless.
"Control over one's own body"
They have no control... which is why they **** themselves and needs someone else to clean them up. Also even when they're adults (18) they have no say in what they eat, when they go to the doctor, what medicine they take, nothing. What kind of a life is that?
"one's own legitimate property"
They have none of their own property. Everything is owned by their care taker. They can never have a job so they can never have money so they can never buy anything.
"people do not owe me their labors, but they do owe the society"
If a person can not function in a society, they do not belong in that society. Their existence is meaningless and they contribute nothing.
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Just because you feel entitled to other people serving you (excuse me, "society") does not mean you can simply deny rights to people who aren't useful to you ("society"), and it doesn't mean those people deserve to suffer and die.

Are you talking about braindead people or something? There are varying degrees of mental illness that affect your capabilities to varying degrees, but most mentally impaired people are still capable of thinking and talking and moving and stuff.

People are entitled to their own natural autonomy. Just because they have, by utter accident, less natural capability than most people doesn't mean others can or should strip them of whatever rights they have left.

If a person can speak or think, he has the right to. Your opinion of whether they can or not isn't worth ****.
If nature denies them those abilities, that's one thing and no one can be blamed for that. If you deny them those rights, you are a criminal or a tyrant and you don't deserve those rights yourself.

There are people who are mentally incapable of making decisions for themselves, which is why it makes sense for family members or qualified caretakers to make those decisions for them.

As for "parasites" - society exists only for the benefit of people, and it should help those who are most needing of help. Not because of obligation or entitlement, but because it is a humane thing to do and we would like ourselves to be treated with kindness were we in their position. Disability services are intended for (wait for it) the disabled. They are inherently altruistic in nature.
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Part 2:
I agree that we should deny these parasites the benefits so many of them receive. They leech off the taxpayer-funded services like you said because they are not entitled to them. These disability services are intended for people who worked and payed taxes and for what ever reason can no longer contribute. They're the ones who deserve the benefits, not the useless members of society.
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(Iceland) Lief Eriksson: 999(ish) (Vinland)
(Spain) Columbus: 1491 (Caribbean)
(England) Cabot: 1497 (Canada)

by the time the English set up a real colony, the Spanish had already started integration and claimed most of the western modern U.S. and then the french get involved and it gets complicated.
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English, French and Spanish were dominant languages in during that time so yeah...I don't see why you say only English.
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#12 to #11 - lyphowut
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America does not have a national language, like the other countries you mentioned.
When the colonists settled here, they didn't learn Native-American.
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Before you even start talking about Native Americans let me say my response. We didn't take anything from them. They didn't believe in ownership of land, they had no grasp of what property was. So they didn't actually own the land. We built houses and said we own it. We were the ones who declared ownership of the land, not them. It's like a homeless person breaking into an abandoned house and living there. He doesn't live there because he does not own the land. He is just sleeping there. No ownership at all. I don't care how long they lived there, their philosophy was "it's everyone's land! We're all brothers!" We did not have the same philosophy. The grounds weren't sacred to us so we didn't care. It's just dirt, nothing special about it. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic anyways so they were used to moving around. We were settled by White, English speaking settlers. We were an English settlement, founded by English settlers, from England, that spoke ******* ENGLISH. So they need to learn English because we speak English in this country.
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So is That way we also made them move out of their land and reservoirs when they finally claimed Legal Ownership?
and Made them walk hundreds of miles to new different place and made them move out AGAIN because we found valuable resources?
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We're not the only ones who did it, this has been happening throughout all of human history. It's nothing new. I don't understand why everyone gives America so much **** for stuff like slavery and that Native American thing... Did you know between 1530 and 1850 over 1 million white Europeans were captured and enslaved by north Africans? No one knows that... no one ever mentions that... it's ********. I love my country and i'm proud of it's history. I have no regrets for what my ancestors have done. **** ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider murder horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative. People only seem to talk about the times America has done these things. That's all they focus on. That's what pisses me off.
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dat american bigotry
dat american bigotry
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*western bigotry

I'm not agreeing with anon, he's a ******* idiot but that's not an american thing, it's most of the western powers (England, France, Spain, america, etc.).
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It's ******* everywhere. Not just American. Not just Western. Every country has racists. Just the one in the western nations have interne.t
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No you are like the bums who came into our houses and said "It's ours now, get out!"
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Like I said, they never believed in ownership. I don't give a **** how long they were living there, they never owned it. It was everyone's land to them, we did not agree with that way of thinking. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic. This is how the world works and always has worked. It's nothing new and I don't see why people constantly bitch about it. We had the more powerful army, so we ****** **** up. Deal with it. They obviously could not defend themselves good enough. I'm glad it happened actually.
User avatar #28 to #25 - Fronk
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Holy balls,
Now Military Enforcement is the rule of the land?
Everything is Ok as long as your Military powers over everything?
Seriously?
Ok Illegal Immagrants take peoples jobs because they commit to hard labor at a much lower wage, That is how the world works and always has been I mean DEAL WITH IT RIGHT?
#38 to #28 - anon id: 3af9267d
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Yes it is. What the **** are they going to do about it? Remember, the winners write the history books. That's how war works. You think people have rights during war? I don't care if they're the richest most intellectual country in the world, if they have no army, they're ******. Anyone can go in there and take over easily. Take their money and their knowledge and make them a province. It had to happen, we wouldn't be here today if it didn't nor would this great country be as great as it is now if we hadn't have done it. I'm glad it was done. We settled the land and built modern real societies, unlike those savage uncivilized nomadic tribes.
#55 to #38 - thessalonaki
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You're a troll, but I'm going to feed you anyway, because I'm feeling generous, and I like arguing, even if it is with a troll.   
   
So, you like to yap about how the world works. For somebody who claims to know so much about it, you read laughably little. For one, not all Native American tribes were nomadic. Many in coastal areas lived in established villages, with a hierarchical caste system. And no, they did not believe in ownership of property, you're right. But the land was what gave them sustenance. Natives were forced onto lands with little to no viable resources. In short, they were forced onto wastelands where they literally had nothing to live off of. You know, Oklahoma.   
   
And settled by English? Yeah, as well as the French, Spanish, Dutch, Russian (in parts of the Northwest), as well as countless waves of German and Italian immigrants. The Spanish Empire covered the entire western half of North America at it's peak. Mexico owned most of the south west united states for quite a while. Spanish culture is quite prevalent there and has been for centuries, who the **** are you to tell them what language they can speak? Oh, and in Louisiana, they don't all speak English. A large percent of southern Louisiana speaks Cajun French, because it was settled by, **********************, FRANCE. Oh, and the Pennsylvania Dutch, speak a dialect of German.   
   
Culture comes, and culture goes. Society and culture builds a government, not the other way around.
You're a troll, but I'm going to feed you anyway, because I'm feeling generous, and I like arguing, even if it is with a troll.

So, you like to yap about how the world works. For somebody who claims to know so much about it, you read laughably little. For one, not all Native American tribes were nomadic. Many in coastal areas lived in established villages, with a hierarchical caste system. And no, they did not believe in ownership of property, you're right. But the land was what gave them sustenance. Natives were forced onto lands with little to no viable resources. In short, they were forced onto wastelands where they literally had nothing to live off of. You know, Oklahoma.

And settled by English? Yeah, as well as the French, Spanish, Dutch, Russian (in parts of the Northwest), as well as countless waves of German and Italian immigrants. The Spanish Empire covered the entire western half of North America at it's peak. Mexico owned most of the south west united states for quite a while. Spanish culture is quite prevalent there and has been for centuries, who the **** are you to tell them what language they can speak? Oh, and in Louisiana, they don't all speak English. A large percent of southern Louisiana speaks Cajun French, because it was settled by, **********************, FRANCE. Oh, and the Pennsylvania Dutch, speak a dialect of German.

Culture comes, and culture goes. Society and culture builds a government, not the other way around.
#66 to #55 - anon id: 3af9267d
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We're not the only ones who did it, this has been happening throughout all of human history. It's nothing new. I don't understand why everyone gives America so much ****... Did you know between 1530 and 1850 over 1 million white Europeans were captured and enslaved by north Africans? No one ever mentions that... it's ********. I love my country and i'm proud of it's history. I have no regrets for what my ancestors have done. **** ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider murder horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative. People only seem to talk about the times America has done these things. That's all they focus on. That's what pisses me off. No not by the Spanish or French. The first settlers to step foot on this land were English Settlers. All those other nationalities came later.
User avatar #50 - dafiltafish
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Well this wasn't that bad. People I know have called people speaking Russian illegal Mexicans.
User avatar #5 - asukalangley
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How can a cat get angry when people can't speak English in America?
#75 - anon id: 48ca0725
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90% of you are missing the point. America = North and South. The minority of countries native tongue is English. She's basically telling people in Peru that they better "get their **** together and learn English.
#78 to #75 - pxthreezerothree
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No, you're missing the point. North and South America are separate continents that make up the Americas. The word American without a modifier refers to those from the US specifically. And don't give me that ******** about "United Statians" or whatever. Ecuador just means Equator in Spanish, no one is giving them a bunch of ******** about the Equator spanning the globe. No body is going to start calling people from Kenya Ecuadorians.
User avatar #110 to #78 - kalthorak
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It depends on geographic system you are using, in the United States it is common to teach and use the one where North and South America are separate continents, in other places like most of Latin America it's taught the system in which America is one continent composed of three subcontinents, North, Central and South America, and the islands surrounding it.
User avatar #143 to #110 - kalthorak
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The traditional model, which is used by the majority of countries and the UN, is one with 5 populated continents, America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia or as we call it here Oceania since Australia is a country.
#142 to #110 - pxthreezerothree
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I'm aware of that. In a few places it's six. Here it is seven but in Russia it is 5 but with Europe and Asia combined. That makes more sense than combining North and South America. Eight makes the most sense (separated by continental plates, which would still keep North and South America separate). It's a bit arbitrary but the majority of the world views North and South America as two different continents.
User avatar #88 to #78 - churrundo
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can you tell me how many rings does the olympic flag have?
#93 to #88 - pxthreezerothree
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5 but what does that matter? Are you appealing to a flag for the definition of a continent?
#94 to #93 - churrundo
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they count it as one...
#141 to #94 - pxthreezerothree
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Noted but the flag was designed by Pierre de Coubertin (founder of the modern Olympic Games). He also thought women and Germans shouldn't be allowed to participate, so his opinion isn't incontrovertible proof that there are only five continents.
User avatar #80 to #78 - alhemicar
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^
#40 - greenyrockss
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He had to edit that sentence? ... -_-
#96 to #40 - Rhizka [OP]
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he added the smiley face
User avatar #46 to #40 - xgeneration
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probably made a typo?
#30 - ironstrike
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If you want to get technical, I'm fairly sure the misuse of then and than is one of the easiest grammatical mistakes made by most people.

That, and it's completely irrelevant considering Cat wasn't *speaking* - Cat was typing.

I point out grammar flaws from time to time - but don't know why. I mean when you're hanging with friends and they're illiterate you wouldn't stop them every time they made a mistake.
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