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4 hours ago via Mn bile on
Nothing flips my trigger more then when someone lives in
America and cannot speak English.
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Nothing flips my trigger more then when someone lives in
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tehjman (02/20/2013) [+]
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Technically, typing and speaking are separate things. (Even though they're both forms of communicating.)
But I still get the point of this post though.
But I still get the point of this post though.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/than
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/then
Unstressed than is exactly the same. You know, the way it's spoken conversationally almost all the time.
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/then
Unstressed than is exactly the same. You know, the way it's spoken conversationally almost all the time.
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N. Korean citizen (02/20/2013) [+]
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Fucking illegal immigrants piss me off. Get the fuck out of the country. Learn the language BEFORE you fucking come here and while you're at it, get rid of that accent. We speak English in America. Learn it. If I went to their country, then I'd learn their language. If I go to Germany, I'd learn German. If I go to Russia, I'd learn Russian. If you come to America, learn English
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N. Korean citizen (02/20/2013) [-]
Before you even start talking about Native Americans let me say my response. We didn't take anything from them. They didn't believe in ownership of land, they had no grasp of what property was. So they didn't actually own the land. We built houses and said we own it. We were the ones who declared ownership of the land, not them. It's like a homeless person breaking into an abandoned house and living there. He doesn't live there because he does not own the land. He is just sleeping there. No ownership at all. I don't care how long they lived there, their philosophy was "it's everyone's land! We're all brothers!" We did not have the same philosophy. The grounds weren't sacred to us so we didn't care. It's just dirt, nothing special about it. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic anyways so they were used to moving around. We were settled by White, English speaking settlers. We were an English settlement, founded by English settlers, from England, that spoke fucking ENGLISH. So they need to learn English because we speak English in this country.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
We're not the only ones who did it, this has been happening throughout all of human history. It's nothing new. I don't understand why everyone gives America so much shit for stuff like slavery and that Native American thing... Did you know between 1530 and 1850 over 1 million white Europeans were captured and enslaved by north Africans? No one knows that... no one ever mentions that... it's bullshit. I love my country and i'm proud of it's history. I have no regrets for what my ancestors have done. Fuck ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider murder horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative. People only seem to talk about the times America has done these things. That's all they focus on. That's what pisses me off.
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N. Korean citizen (02/20/2013) [-]
Like I said, they never believed in ownership. I don't give a fuck how long they were living there, they never owned it. It was everyone's land to them, we did not agree with that way of thinking. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic. This is how the world works and always has worked. It's nothing new and I don't see why people constantly bitch about it. We had the more powerful army, so we fucked shit up. Deal with it. They obviously could not defend themselves good enough. I'm glad it happened actually.
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Fronk (02/20/2013) [-] Holy balls,
Now Military Enforcement is the rule of the land?
Everything is Ok as long as your Military powers over everything?
Seriously?
Ok Illegal Immagrants take peoples jobs because they commit to hard labor at a much lower wage, That is how the world works and always has been I mean DEAL WITH IT RIGHT?
Now Military Enforcement is the rule of the land?
Everything is Ok as long as your Military powers over everything?
Seriously?
Ok Illegal Immagrants take peoples jobs because they commit to hard labor at a much lower wage, That is how the world works and always has been I mean DEAL WITH IT RIGHT?
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
Yes it is. What the fuck are they going to do about it? Remember, the winners write the history books. That's how war works. You think people have rights during war? I don't care if they're the richest most intellectual country in the world, if they have no army, they're fucked. Anyone can go in there and take over easily. Take their money and their knowledge and make them a province. It had to happen, we wouldn't be here today if it didn't nor would this great country be as great as it is now if we hadn't have done it. I'm glad it was done. We settled the land and built modern real societies, unlike those savage uncivilized nomadic tribes.
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thessalonaki (02/21/2013) [-] You're a troll, but I'm going to feed you anyway, because I'm feeling generous, and I like arguing, even if it is with a troll.
So, you like to yap about how the world works. For somebody who claims to know so much about it, you read laughably little. For one, not all Native American tribes were nomadic. Many in coastal areas lived in established villages, with a hierarchical caste system. And no, they did not believe in ownership of property, you're right. But the land was what gave them sustenance. Natives were forced onto lands with little to no viable resources. In short, they were forced onto wastelands where they literally had nothing to live off of. You know, Oklahoma.
And settled by English? Yeah, as well as the French, Spanish, Dutch, Russian (in parts of the Northwest), as well as countless waves of German and Italian immigrants. The Spanish Empire covered the entire western half of North America at it's peak. Mexico owned most of the south west united states for quite a while. Spanish culture is quite prevalent there and has been for centuries, who the fuck are you to tell them what language they can speak? Oh, and in Louisiana, they don't all speak English. A large percent of southern Louisiana speaks Cajun French, because it was settled by, you-fucking-guessed-it, FRANCE. Oh, and the Pennsylvania Dutch, speak a dialect of German.
Culture comes, and culture goes. Society and culture builds a government, not the other way around.
So, you like to yap about how the world works. For somebody who claims to know so much about it, you read laughably little. For one, not all Native American tribes were nomadic. Many in coastal areas lived in established villages, with a hierarchical caste system. And no, they did not believe in ownership of property, you're right. But the land was what gave them sustenance. Natives were forced onto lands with little to no viable resources. In short, they were forced onto wastelands where they literally had nothing to live off of. You know, Oklahoma.
And settled by English? Yeah, as well as the French, Spanish, Dutch, Russian (in parts of the Northwest), as well as countless waves of German and Italian immigrants. The Spanish Empire covered the entire western half of North America at it's peak. Mexico owned most of the south west united states for quite a while. Spanish culture is quite prevalent there and has been for centuries, who the fuck are you to tell them what language they can speak? Oh, and in Louisiana, they don't all speak English. A large percent of southern Louisiana speaks Cajun French, because it was settled by, you-fucking-guessed-it, FRANCE. Oh, and the Pennsylvania Dutch, speak a dialect of German.
Culture comes, and culture goes. Society and culture builds a government, not the other way around.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
We're not the only ones who did it, this has been happening throughout all of human history. It's nothing new. I don't understand why everyone gives America so much shit... Did you know between 1530 and 1850 over 1 million white Europeans were captured and enslaved by north Africans? No one ever mentions that... it's bullshit. I love my country and i'm proud of it's history. I have no regrets for what my ancestors have done. Fuck ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider murder horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative. People only seem to talk about the times America has done these things. That's all they focus on. That's what pisses me off. No not by the Spanish or French. The first settlers to step foot on this land were English Settlers. All those other nationalities came later.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
We didn't take anything from them. They didn't believe in ownership of land, they had no grasp of what property was. So they didn't actually own the land. We built houses and said we own it. We were the ones who declared ownership of the land, not them. It's like a homeless person breaking into an abandoned house and living there. He doesn't live there because he does not own the land. He is just sleeping there. No ownership at all. I don't care how long they lived there, their philosophy was "it's everyone's land! We're all brothers!" We did not have the same philosophy. The grounds weren't sacred to us so we didn't care. It's just dirt, nothing special about it. They were uncivilized savages who were nomadic anyways so they were used to moving around. We were settled by White, English speaking settlers. We were an English settlement, founded by English settlers, from England, that spoke fucking ENGLISH. So they need to learn English because we speak English in this country.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] They had their own societies and societal rules. They had no obligation to abide by European rules of ownership, and it's ridiculous and unfair to hold them to those standards. The fact remains that they lived on the land and the Europeans forced them out of their homes, which was unjust and unethical.
Besides that, it's a false assumption that the natives had no concept of land ownership. Many of them just believed in communal ownership of land (i.e. by the tribe) rather than individual ownership. A form of communism, basically.
Since the natives believed land could not be individually owned, would they have been justified in torching all the European settlements to enforce that rule, or squatting on colonists' property, had they been strong enough to pull it off?
I remember you. We've had this discussion before. As I said last time, the fact that you consider them "uncivilized savages" does not mean they had no rights, or that the settlers were entitled to claim their land by "virtue" of being stronger.
As for English - individual liberty is more important than cultural or linguistic identity. People have the right to speak whatever language they want, regardless of where they live. It'd be responsible of immigrants to learn English, but if they choose not to or cannot, they have to deal with not being able to communicate with their neighbors and similar challenges.
And stop spamming your own copypasta.
Besides that, it's a false assumption that the natives had no concept of land ownership. Many of them just believed in communal ownership of land (i.e. by the tribe) rather than individual ownership. A form of communism, basically.
Since the natives believed land could not be individually owned, would they have been justified in torching all the European settlements to enforce that rule, or squatting on colonists' property, had they been strong enough to pull it off?
I remember you. We've had this discussion before. As I said last time, the fact that you consider them "uncivilized savages" does not mean they had no rights, or that the settlers were entitled to claim their land by "virtue" of being stronger.
As for English - individual liberty is more important than cultural or linguistic identity. People have the right to speak whatever language they want, regardless of where they live. It'd be responsible of immigrants to learn English, but if they choose not to or cannot, they have to deal with not being able to communicate with their neighbors and similar challenges.
And stop spamming your own copypasta.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
Unethical? You want to talk about ethics? Fuck ethics, they're different in every society. Some societies consider murder horrible, others often do human sacrifices. It's all relative. That's how war works though. You think people have rights during war? I would have loved to see them try to torch our settlements, they would have been simply initiated. They knew better. You don't fuck with the big kid on the playground basically, they learned that the hard way. The fact is they were not strong enough to do so because they were an advanced civilization, like I keep saying, they were savages. A language barrier can make a bad situation A LOT worse. Trying to communicate with the police for example. Another example if someone was ever mugged, they have some angry thug yelling at him for his watch or wallet, and they has no clue what's going on and as a result gets killed.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] "Fuck ethics, they're different in every society."
If ethics are relative, why are property rights universal?
"That's how war works though. You think people have rights during war? "
Yes.
Are you saying you can get away with anything as long as you start a war first? Was the Holocaust okay because Germany was at war? If the US invaded Canada and tortured all its children to death, would that be justified because they were at war?
There are theories of just war and the war against the native Americans was not just.
Might does not make right. I don't understand how you can have that philosophy and call others savages.
I agree with your points about the benefits of learning English in the US, and I think responsible immigrants should learn English if possible. But that decision is theirs to make, not yours.
If ethics are relative, why are property rights universal?
"That's how war works though. You think people have rights during war? "
Yes.
Are you saying you can get away with anything as long as you start a war first? Was the Holocaust okay because Germany was at war? If the US invaded Canada and tortured all its children to death, would that be justified because they were at war?
There are theories of just war and the war against the native Americans was not just.
Might does not make right. I don't understand how you can have that philosophy and call others savages.
I agree with your points about the benefits of learning English in the US, and I think responsible immigrants should learn English if possible. But that decision is theirs to make, not yours.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
It was all absolutely necessary and I regret it in no way, shape, or form. I am proud of my history and heritage and what my ancestors have done. If they hadn't, I wouldn't be here today and this great Nation would not be either. It was a necessary evil.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] Well, at least you admit that it was an evil. That's something, I guess.
It was not necessary at all. The settlers wouldn't have died or anything had they stayed in Europe, and even if they did move to escape persecution, their persecution did not justify committing practical genocide on another population. Or what if they had settled, but simply integrated the natives into their society (or vice-versa) as equals?
We have no way of knowing how things would have turned out had the Americas never been colonized. For all we know that outcome could be just as great, or better. Or it could have been much worse. You can appreciate this outcome without being proud of all the horrible things that were done to get to this point.
Would I go back and change it all if I could? No, because what's done is done and there's no telling what would have happened otherwise. But the ends still do not justify the means.
It was not necessary at all. The settlers wouldn't have died or anything had they stayed in Europe, and even if they did move to escape persecution, their persecution did not justify committing practical genocide on another population. Or what if they had settled, but simply integrated the natives into their society (or vice-versa) as equals?
We have no way of knowing how things would have turned out had the Americas never been colonized. For all we know that outcome could be just as great, or better. Or it could have been much worse. You can appreciate this outcome without being proud of all the horrible things that were done to get to this point.
Would I go back and change it all if I could? No, because what's done is done and there's no telling what would have happened otherwise. But the ends still do not justify the means.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
For us to have integrated we would have had to stoop down to their level, literally going backwards in civilization. We were the more advanced society so they should have risen up to our level. They were not equals and should not have been treated as such. I'm getting tired of saying savages so i'm going to call them barbarians instead. They were barbarians. I'd rather not take that chance of knowing how worse or better it could have been, i'm perfectly fine with the way things are now. Not worth the chance.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] I'm also content with how things turned out so far (relatively - not that there aren't plenty of problems today), and I think life is better now than it was then, but that doesn't mean I'm happy about what was done to the natives.
All people have equal natural rights and should therefore be treated as equals within society. The native Americans were not equals in terms of technological advancement (mostly; the Aztecs had some legit engineering skills) or literacy, but they were equals because they were fellow human beings.
Again, whether you judge the natives to be savages or barbarians is irrelevant. Despite your attempts to dehumanize them, they had the same rights to life and liberty as the European settlers, and they had the right to live a simple and "primitive" lifestyle if they so wished.
I'll also remind you that the "civilized" Puritan settlers you so idolize were executing innocent people for "witchcraft". This is no less barbaric than human sacrifice.
All people have equal natural rights and should therefore be treated as equals within society. The native Americans were not equals in terms of technological advancement (mostly; the Aztecs had some legit engineering skills) or literacy, but they were equals because they were fellow human beings.
Again, whether you judge the natives to be savages or barbarians is irrelevant. Despite your attempts to dehumanize them, they had the same rights to life and liberty as the European settlers, and they had the right to live a simple and "primitive" lifestyle if they so wished.
I'll also remind you that the "civilized" Puritan settlers you so idolize were executing innocent people for "witchcraft". This is no less barbaric than human sacrifice.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
Now this is where the conversation can take a bad turn. I honestly believe everyone is not equal. Some people are born with sever mental disorders and I do not consider them equal to the normal people. I do not mean the people with slight OCD or something, I mean the extreme cases where they can't do anything useful within a society and are just a parasite. I do not believe those leeches have a right to life when they give nothing back and can never be a functioning member of society. Same thing goes with intelligence. I do not believe I am equal to Stephen Hawkins let's say. He is definitely my superior mentally. Physically, I am his superior. But mental strength is more important, so he is greater than I am. They were primitive barbarians and were not on the same mental levels as the settlers, so they were not their equal. We tried to build schools and actually educate them, they couldn't learn. It was a waste of time.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] As far as equality is concerned, we should clarify the term. It makes no sense to say someone is equal or not equal to (or better or worse than) another person, without specifying the trait or ability. So while you can say Stephen Hawking and you are not equals in terms of intellectual ability, or that the Native Americans were not equal to the Europeans in terms of military prowess you cannot say you are not equals, period. That is not useful or meaningful. It's like saying the US is better than all other countries. Better at what?
We can say that people are by default equal in their natural individual rights.These rights are inherent and do not have anything to do with societal contributions. They are more important than and take priority over "society" or the common good.
Natural rights can be forfeited only by one's own actions: the violation of other people's rights. For example, a person who commits unjustifiable homicide (i.e. violates another's right to life) in doing so gives up his own right to life, and puts his fate in the hands of others. Rights do not depend on one's abilities or inherent traits or contributions to society.
People do not owe you their labor.
We can say that people are by default equal in their natural individual rights.These rights are inherent and do not have anything to do with societal contributions. They are more important than and take priority over "society" or the common good.
Natural rights can be forfeited only by one's own actions: the violation of other people's rights. For example, a person who commits unjustifiable homicide (i.e. violates another's right to life) in doing so gives up his own right to life, and puts his fate in the hands of others. Rights do not depend on one's abilities or inherent traits or contributions to society.
People do not owe you their labor.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
The settlers were superior in every way. That is why they are just not equal in general.
I disagree. I value a persons life as how much they can contribute to their society. A common criminal's life is in no way equal to a doctor's who has saved countless lives. I'd sacrifice the criminals life in a heart beat in order to save the doctor. The mentally challenged are useless and are nothing but parasites. They leech off of everyone around them and give nothing back. They can never live on their own, someone always has to take care of them, and they'll never have a job. They're a burden to everyone around them. They can never be a productive member of society.
People do not owe ME their labors, but they do owe the society they live in.
I disagree. I value a persons life as how much they can contribute to their society. A common criminal's life is in no way equal to a doctor's who has saved countless lives. I'd sacrifice the criminals life in a heart beat in order to save the doctor. The mentally challenged are useless and are nothing but parasites. They leech off of everyone around them and give nothing back. They can never live on their own, someone always has to take care of them, and they'll never have a job. They're a burden to everyone around them. They can never be a productive member of society.
People do not owe ME their labors, but they do owe the society they live in.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] It amuses me that you are so patriotic, but don't seem to believe in any of your country's founding principles.
"The settlers were superior in every way. That is why they are just not equal in general. "
In every way, huh? So you're telling me the natives didn't teach the settlers better farming techniques that allowed the original colonies to survive?
"I value a persons life as how much they can contribute to their society."
It doesn't matter how much you value a person's life, they're have a natural right to life regardless of whether you care about it. If you murder someone you consider useless, that is no less a crime than murdering a wealthy philanthropist or an inventor, and you are no less of a murderer.
" I'd sacrifice the criminal's life in a heart beat in order to save the doctor."
That's different, because you're assuming only one of them can live. If I had to pick which one to save, I'd also choose the doctor. But that doesn't mean they don't both have equal rights to life (unless the criminal is a murderer or something similarly horrible), or that the criminal's life is expendable.
But criminals can be a special case. Let's talk about mentally ill or physically disabled people, who have done nothing wrong but are unable to contribute to society. They still have inalienable rights. All natural rights stem from personal autonomy (life, free speech and thought and belief, free assembly, control over one's own body, control over one's own legitimate property, etc).
Autonomy is literally innate. It's the one and only natural entitlement and possession.
Because people have equal rights by default, violating and therefore disregarding the rights of others is equivalent to forfeiting your own rights.
Cont'd (I'm getting really long-winded here, aren't I?)
"The settlers were superior in every way. That is why they are just not equal in general. "
In every way, huh? So you're telling me the natives didn't teach the settlers better farming techniques that allowed the original colonies to survive?
"I value a persons life as how much they can contribute to their society."
It doesn't matter how much you value a person's life, they're have a natural right to life regardless of whether you care about it. If you murder someone you consider useless, that is no less a crime than murdering a wealthy philanthropist or an inventor, and you are no less of a murderer.
" I'd sacrifice the criminal's life in a heart beat in order to save the doctor."
That's different, because you're assuming only one of them can live. If I had to pick which one to save, I'd also choose the doctor. But that doesn't mean they don't both have equal rights to life (unless the criminal is a murderer or something similarly horrible), or that the criminal's life is expendable.
But criminals can be a special case. Let's talk about mentally ill or physically disabled people, who have done nothing wrong but are unable to contribute to society. They still have inalienable rights. All natural rights stem from personal autonomy (life, free speech and thought and belief, free assembly, control over one's own body, control over one's own legitimate property, etc).
Autonomy is literally innate. It's the one and only natural entitlement and possession.
Because people have equal rights by default, violating and therefore disregarding the rights of others is equivalent to forfeiting your own rights.
Cont'd (I'm getting really long-winded here, aren't I?)
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] "People do not owe ME their labors, but they do owe the society they live in."
Society IS you, or more accurately a collection of "yous" (individuals). People are individuals before they are members of society, and society exists to benefit the individuals within it. Society minus individuals doesn't matter at all, and we owe it nothing.
If you're worried about people "leeching" off society without contributing to it (I'm assuming you mean "leeching" off taxpayer-funded services) the natural solution is to deny those people the benefits they are receiving, which they aren't entitled to anyway, until they start contributing to "pay" for it. But I think in the case of people who literally cannot provide for themselves, denying them what they need for subsistence and a decent life is inhumane.
The answer is NOT to violate their natural rights, because people would have rights (autonomy) even if society did not exist.
Anyway, most of what people contribute to society is not freely given out of patriotism or altruism. In a capitalist society, everyone is primarily concerned with their own self-interest, and work so they can benefit from their own work. Society, technology, and quality of life improve mainly as a biproduct of individual self-interest, not because of intentional efforts for the common good.
If people don't or can't work, they can't reap the benefits of their own work. That's their loss and not ours.
Society IS you, or more accurately a collection of "yous" (individuals). People are individuals before they are members of society, and society exists to benefit the individuals within it. Society minus individuals doesn't matter at all, and we owe it nothing.
If you're worried about people "leeching" off society without contributing to it (I'm assuming you mean "leeching" off taxpayer-funded services) the natural solution is to deny those people the benefits they are receiving, which they aren't entitled to anyway, until they start contributing to "pay" for it. But I think in the case of people who literally cannot provide for themselves, denying them what they need for subsistence and a decent life is inhumane.
The answer is NOT to violate their natural rights, because people would have rights (autonomy) even if society did not exist.
Anyway, most of what people contribute to society is not freely given out of patriotism or altruism. In a capitalist society, everyone is primarily concerned with their own self-interest, and work so they can benefit from their own work. Society, technology, and quality of life improve mainly as a biproduct of individual self-interest, not because of intentional efforts for the common good.
If people don't or can't work, they can't reap the benefits of their own work. That's their loss and not ours.
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N. Korean citizen (02/22/2013) [-]
"Free speech and thought and belief"
Their brain in severely damaged, they can not think let alone form coherent sentences. No one cares about some rambling from a retard. They can't think let alone believe in anything. They have nothing to believe in, I doubt they even are aware of their own existence truly. They're like a worm going about their daily business not realizing the bigger world around them.
"free assembly"
Not without their care takers they can't assemble. And even if they did, what the fuck do a bunch of retards have to discuss? Honestly, what color their shit was today? Assuming they even know colors... A group of mentally disabled people can't just assemble somewhere, they'd need an able minded person to set it up. But that would be pointless.
"Control over one's own body"
They have no control... which is why they shit themselves and needs someone else to clean them up. Also even when they're adults (18) they have no say in what they eat, when they go to the doctor, what medicine they take, nothing. What kind of a life is that?
"one's own legitimate property"
They have none of their own property. Everything is owned by their care taker. They can never have a job so they can never have money so they can never buy anything.
"people do not owe me their labors, but they do owe the society"
If a person can not function in a society, they do not belong in that society. Their existence is meaningless and they contribute nothing.
Their brain in severely damaged, they can not think let alone form coherent sentences. No one cares about some rambling from a retard. They can't think let alone believe in anything. They have nothing to believe in, I doubt they even are aware of their own existence truly. They're like a worm going about their daily business not realizing the bigger world around them.
"free assembly"
Not without their care takers they can't assemble. And even if they did, what the fuck do a bunch of retards have to discuss? Honestly, what color their shit was today? Assuming they even know colors... A group of mentally disabled people can't just assemble somewhere, they'd need an able minded person to set it up. But that would be pointless.
"Control over one's own body"
They have no control... which is why they shit themselves and needs someone else to clean them up. Also even when they're adults (18) they have no say in what they eat, when they go to the doctor, what medicine they take, nothing. What kind of a life is that?
"one's own legitimate property"
They have none of their own property. Everything is owned by their care taker. They can never have a job so they can never have money so they can never buy anything.
"people do not owe me their labors, but they do owe the society"
If a person can not function in a society, they do not belong in that society. Their existence is meaningless and they contribute nothing.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-] (reached reply limit here)
Just because you feel entitled to other people serving you (excuse me, "society") does not mean you can simply deny rights to people who aren't useful to you ("society"), and it doesn't mean those people deserve to suffer and die.
Are you talking about braindead people or something? There are varying degrees of mental illness that affect your capabilities to varying degrees, but most mentally impaired people are still capable of thinking and talking and moving and stuff.
People are entitled to their own natural autonomy. Just because they have, by utter accident, less natural capability than most people doesn't mean others can or should strip them of whatever rights they have left.
If a person can speak or think, he has the right to. Your opinion of whether they can or not isn't worth shit.
If nature denies them those abilities, that's one thing and no one can be blamed for that. If you deny them those rights, you are a criminal or a tyrant and you don't deserve those rights yourself.
There are people who are mentally incapable of making decisions for themselves, which is why it makes sense for family members or qualified caretakers to make those decisions for them.
As for "parasites" - society exists only for the benefit of people, and it should help those who are most needing of help. Not because of obligation or entitlement, but because it is a humane thing to do and we would like ourselves to be treated with kindness were we in their position. Disability services are intended for (wait for it) the disabled. They are inherently altruistic in nature.
Just because you feel entitled to other people serving you (excuse me, "society") does not mean you can simply deny rights to people who aren't useful to you ("society"), and it doesn't mean those people deserve to suffer and die.
Are you talking about braindead people or something? There are varying degrees of mental illness that affect your capabilities to varying degrees, but most mentally impaired people are still capable of thinking and talking and moving and stuff.
People are entitled to their own natural autonomy. Just because they have, by utter accident, less natural capability than most people doesn't mean others can or should strip them of whatever rights they have left.
If a person can speak or think, he has the right to. Your opinion of whether they can or not isn't worth shit.
If nature denies them those abilities, that's one thing and no one can be blamed for that. If you deny them those rights, you are a criminal or a tyrant and you don't deserve those rights yourself.
There are people who are mentally incapable of making decisions for themselves, which is why it makes sense for family members or qualified caretakers to make those decisions for them.
As for "parasites" - society exists only for the benefit of people, and it should help those who are most needing of help. Not because of obligation or entitlement, but because it is a humane thing to do and we would like ourselves to be treated with kindness were we in their position. Disability services are intended for (wait for it) the disabled. They are inherently altruistic in nature.
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N. Korean citizen (02/22/2013) [-]
Part 2:
I agree that we should deny these parasites the benefits so many of them receive. They leech off the taxpayer-funded services like you said because they are not entitled to them. These disability services are intended for people who worked and payed taxes and for what ever reason can no longer contribute. They're the ones who deserve the benefits, not the useless members of society.
I agree that we should deny these parasites the benefits so many of them receive. They leech off the taxpayer-funded services like you said because they are not entitled to them. These disability services are intended for people who worked and payed taxes and for what ever reason can no longer contribute. They're the ones who deserve the benefits, not the useless members of society.
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dafiltafish (02/21/2013) [-] (Iceland) Lief Eriksson: 999(ish) (Vinland)
(Spain) Columbus: 1491 (Caribbean)
(England) Cabot: 1497 (Canada)
by the time the English set up a real colony, the Spanish had already started integration and claimed most of the western modern U.S. and then the french get involved and it gets complicated.
(Spain) Columbus: 1491 (Caribbean)
(England) Cabot: 1497 (Canada)
by the time the English set up a real colony, the Spanish had already started integration and claimed most of the western modern U.S. and then the french get involved and it gets complicated.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
The manual labor they do takes jobs away from true Americans. They mow the lawn and take work away from landscapers. They build sheds and stuff and take jobs away from carpenters. They paint houses and sheds or whatever and takes jobs away from professional painters.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] Do unemployed teenagers also take jobs away from professionals when they mow lawns over the summer?
Anyway, you're focusing on the wrong kind of job. Most people who make your argument talk about illegal immigrants with full-time or part-time jobs, such as construction workers or vegetable pickers.
Are you opposed to migrant workers too, who don't permanently live in the US?
Anyway, you're focusing on the wrong kind of job. Most people who make your argument talk about illegal immigrants with full-time or part-time jobs, such as construction workers or vegetable pickers.
Are you opposed to migrant workers too, who don't permanently live in the US?
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
If you come here legally I'm fine with you. I honestly don't like you as much as someone who was born and raised in America, but you're better than illegal immigrants. Those unemployed teenagers are legal American citizens at least. Payment is also a huge problem I have with immigrants. They come here, get a job, get paid, then send their money back to their home country. That's where the money circulates, not here. I blame them partially for the economy problem we're having here. Keep the money here where it can circulate. That would definitely help.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] Meh. Capitalism is not patriotic, nor does it need to be.
When migrant workers and some illegal immigrants (and some legal immigrants) send money to their families back home, that money goes into circulation in their home country, but people in the US benefit from the labor. If you earned your money, you have the right to spend it wherever you want. It's no different from buying foreign products, which we all do anyway.
Why don't you like legal immigrants as much as American-born citizens? Why is simply being American a virtue?
When migrant workers and some illegal immigrants (and some legal immigrants) send money to their families back home, that money goes into circulation in their home country, but people in the US benefit from the labor. If you earned your money, you have the right to spend it wherever you want. It's no different from buying foreign products, which we all do anyway.
Why don't you like legal immigrants as much as American-born citizens? Why is simply being American a virtue?
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
The American citizen whose job the illegal immigrant took does not benefit. If you want to come into this country so badly, at least do it the right way, if you're unwilling to do it the right way, than you don't really want to be here that badly and are just taking the easy way out. If you work here and get paid here, you should spend your money here. Other ways the money leaves America and goes to the other country. It needs to stay right here in order for our economy to function optimally. You buy foreign products from a store here so the store still gets money. I want to keep America American, that's why. But that's a different discussion. And being an American is a virtue because it's the greatest country ever.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] "The American citizen whose job the illegal immigrant took does not benefit."
It wasn't technically his job to begin with, unless he was literally fired so he could be replaced by the illegal immigrant.
"If you want to come into this country so badly, at least do it the right way"
Agreed.
"if you're unwilling to do it the right way, than you don't really want to be here that badly and are just taking the easy way out"
Although illegal immigration is a crime, the legal immigration process can be very difficult. Sometimes it can take 10-20 years to get all the paperwork approved, and sometimes the cost of application can be more than a family's monthly income. If your priority is feeding your family, crossing the border illegally or overstaying your visa might be worth it. It's like when a homeless person shoplifts to feed himself or sleeps in an abandoned house to keep from freezing to death or something. It's a crime, but when your basic needs and well-being are at stake you can do desperate things.
At least illegal immigrant workers contribute their labor to our economy, whereas shoplifters contribute nothing and only take away from it.
"[money] needs to stay right here in order for our economy to function optimally"
Not so. Trade, including international trade, is good for the economy and makes our country more prosperous.
Of course, simply sending your income out of the country without any sort of tangible exchange isn't trade, but it's not as if the money never comes back. Money circulates in the global economy as well as within our borders.
"being an American is a virtue because it's the greatest country ever."
Regardless of whether or not it's the greatest country ever, simply being born in a developed and free country doesn't make you a good person, or better than people of other nationalities.
It wasn't technically his job to begin with, unless he was literally fired so he could be replaced by the illegal immigrant.
"If you want to come into this country so badly, at least do it the right way"
Agreed.
"if you're unwilling to do it the right way, than you don't really want to be here that badly and are just taking the easy way out"
Although illegal immigration is a crime, the legal immigration process can be very difficult. Sometimes it can take 10-20 years to get all the paperwork approved, and sometimes the cost of application can be more than a family's monthly income. If your priority is feeding your family, crossing the border illegally or overstaying your visa might be worth it. It's like when a homeless person shoplifts to feed himself or sleeps in an abandoned house to keep from freezing to death or something. It's a crime, but when your basic needs and well-being are at stake you can do desperate things.
At least illegal immigrant workers contribute their labor to our economy, whereas shoplifters contribute nothing and only take away from it.
"[money] needs to stay right here in order for our economy to function optimally"
Not so. Trade, including international trade, is good for the economy and makes our country more prosperous.
Of course, simply sending your income out of the country without any sort of tangible exchange isn't trade, but it's not as if the money never comes back. Money circulates in the global economy as well as within our borders.
"being an American is a virtue because it's the greatest country ever."
Regardless of whether or not it's the greatest country ever, simply being born in a developed and free country doesn't make you a good person, or better than people of other nationalities.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
1, An American citizen would have and should have gotten that job in the first place.
2. Glad you agree.
3. I disagree, if anything, I think the test should be harder. The American Citizenship test should definitely have a much larger and intense English portion. They need to know English before they get here.
4. Like you said, that's not trade because we get nothing back.
5. It's genetics. 'm a strong believer in genetics. You can't fight your biology. Actually speaking of which i'm in college and for my criminology class we have to write a research paper. My topic is Genetic predisposition to crime and i'm going to focus mainly on blacks/latinos/whites and prison rates. Gonna be a fun paper. I can share some of my statistics I have already gathered with you if you'd like.
2. Glad you agree.
3. I disagree, if anything, I think the test should be harder. The American Citizenship test should definitely have a much larger and intense English portion. They need to know English before they get here.
4. Like you said, that's not trade because we get nothing back.
5. It's genetics. 'm a strong believer in genetics. You can't fight your biology. Actually speaking of which i'm in college and for my criminology class we have to write a research paper. My topic is Genetic predisposition to crime and i'm going to focus mainly on blacks/latinos/whites and prison rates. Gonna be a fun paper. I can share some of my statistics I have already gathered with you if you'd like.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] Yeah, we've had this discussion on genetics before. I pointed out that crime, poverty and achievement correlations could have any number of causal factors, and that statistics alone tell you very little about causation in general. You refused to even consider anything besides inherent racial characteristics, dismissing environmental, historical, cultural and socioeconomic factors as "excuses". Some scientist you are.
Anyway, there's certainly no evidence that even suggests that Americans specifically are genetically superior to people of other nationalities, especially considering that the US is one of the most diverse countries in the world.
Anyway, there's certainly no evidence that even suggests that Americans specifically are genetically superior to people of other nationalities, especially considering that the US is one of the most diverse countries in the world.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
I have studied about all of those different theories in college classes already, and that's all they are, theories. I always hated learning about them because I really do think of them as excuses. I'm a strong believer in self responsibility. They can't go throughout life blaming their problems on everyone/everything except themselves. They made the conscious decision to do what they do. They need to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses.
American's and pretty much every race are definitely superior to Africans. Rome was about 2000 years ago. They had these beautiful marble buildings, running water in many places, a basic plumbing system. Look at most parts of Africa today. Mud huts and shit. Scientists say that life originated in Africa, meaning they've had more time than any other group on people on the entire planet to get their shit together, but they failed. Miserably. Egypt is the only exception but that's because they're right by the middle east so they weren't corrupted by the rest of Africa.
American's and pretty much every race are definitely superior to Africans. Rome was about 2000 years ago. They had these beautiful marble buildings, running water in many places, a basic plumbing system. Look at most parts of Africa today. Mud huts and shit. Scientists say that life originated in Africa, meaning they've had more time than any other group on people on the entire planet to get their shit together, but they failed. Miserably. Egypt is the only exception but that's because they're right by the middle east so they weren't corrupted by the rest of Africa.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] Your theory that achievement and "superiority" is determined entirely by genetics is also just a theory, and a weak one at that.
Although you may believe in personal responsibility, it's naive, to say the least, to dismiss all circumstantial factors as "excuses". People do not have absolute free will. After all, you have no problem blaming everything on race, which is clearly not a matter of responsibility but an accident of birth.
Civilization is an excellent example. Although anatomically modern humans originated around Ethiopia, the first civilization is largely believed to have been in Mesopotamia, i.e. outside of Africa. Why? Because that region was in a fertile river valley with abundant resources, plenty of domesticable animals for food and clothing, and relatively few environmental hazards like dangerous predators. It was because of geography, not because the Mesopotamians were somehow "superior" to the Africans.
Human progress proceeds exponentially: it took many thousands of years to make even basic agricultural and technological advances, and for the majority of humankind's existence we were nomadic hunter-gatherers.
After the Agricultural Revolution everything sped up considerably and major advances were made with increasing frequency, because they built upon past achievements.
When you're literally starting from scratch, a lot depends on your resources and environment. It's must easier to settle down and plant crops in a safe, fertile river valley than some predator-infested wasteland.
That's why the first civilizations started around major rivers (Tigris and Euphrates, Indus, Nile, Yangtze). The African civilizations did to, when they got going - not just Egypt, but the Mali and Songhai Empires around the Niger River, and the many other West African civilizations. There were some major civilizations in other parts of Africa (Ethiopia, Bantu kingdoms) but these places were poorly suited to support long-term settlements. Cont'd...
Although you may believe in personal responsibility, it's naive, to say the least, to dismiss all circumstantial factors as "excuses". People do not have absolute free will. After all, you have no problem blaming everything on race, which is clearly not a matter of responsibility but an accident of birth.
Civilization is an excellent example. Although anatomically modern humans originated around Ethiopia, the first civilization is largely believed to have been in Mesopotamia, i.e. outside of Africa. Why? Because that region was in a fertile river valley with abundant resources, plenty of domesticable animals for food and clothing, and relatively few environmental hazards like dangerous predators. It was because of geography, not because the Mesopotamians were somehow "superior" to the Africans.
Human progress proceeds exponentially: it took many thousands of years to make even basic agricultural and technological advances, and for the majority of humankind's existence we were nomadic hunter-gatherers.
After the Agricultural Revolution everything sped up considerably and major advances were made with increasing frequency, because they built upon past achievements.
When you're literally starting from scratch, a lot depends on your resources and environment. It's must easier to settle down and plant crops in a safe, fertile river valley than some predator-infested wasteland.
That's why the first civilizations started around major rivers (Tigris and Euphrates, Indus, Nile, Yangtze). The African civilizations did to, when they got going - not just Egypt, but the Mali and Songhai Empires around the Niger River, and the many other West African civilizations. There were some major civilizations in other parts of Africa (Ethiopia, Bantu kingdoms) but these places were poorly suited to support long-term settlements. Cont'd...
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] ...cont'd
(Pictured: Timbuktu, Mali. Part of various West African empires)
Think of the geography of sub-Saharan Africa. There's plenty of rivers in the jungles of Central Africa, but those areas were and are infested with disease-carrying parasites and similar hazards. Then there's the grasslands of East Africa, with sparse trees, many dangerous predators, and very few domesticable animals that can be herded. The hunter-gatherer lifestyle makes the most sense there, because antelopes and zebras are not domesticable. And in Southern or Southwestern Africa there's a barren desert, the Kalahari.
Camels, sheep, goats, and donkeys are native to precisely those parts of Africa that did develop civilizations. Do you think that's a coincidence?
When you consider that humans have been around for some 200,000 years, and that civilizations only began to arise around 8000 years ago with the Agricultural Revolution, the relatively late development of black African civilization (compared to China or Europe or India) is not actually all that late.
Excuses, you say? I think if we took a bunch of ancient Roman infants - young enough to be "blank slates" - and stuck them in prehistoric Zambia or Mozambique, highly doubt they would develop a culturally advanced civilization in a few generations. Or even a few thousand years.
(Pictured: Timbuktu, Mali. Part of various West African empires)
Think of the geography of sub-Saharan Africa. There's plenty of rivers in the jungles of Central Africa, but those areas were and are infested with disease-carrying parasites and similar hazards. Then there's the grasslands of East Africa, with sparse trees, many dangerous predators, and very few domesticable animals that can be herded. The hunter-gatherer lifestyle makes the most sense there, because antelopes and zebras are not domesticable. And in Southern or Southwestern Africa there's a barren desert, the Kalahari.
Camels, sheep, goats, and donkeys are native to precisely those parts of Africa that did develop civilizations. Do you think that's a coincidence?
When you consider that humans have been around for some 200,000 years, and that civilizations only began to arise around 8000 years ago with the Agricultural Revolution, the relatively late development of black African civilization (compared to China or Europe or India) is not actually all that late.
Excuses, you say? I think if we took a bunch of ancient Roman infants - young enough to be "blank slates" - and stuck them in prehistoric Zambia or Mozambique, highly doubt they would develop a culturally advanced civilization in a few generations. Or even a few thousand years.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
You can't argue with cold hard statistics, they're facts. Some kids living in the same exact environments don't become criminals, while others do. You can't blame the environment. Africa has rivers too. For example, the Nile River. The Nile River valley is a very big river and great source of water, and has very fertile soil. Egypt was able to utilize it, why couldn't these other "civilizations" do that? And i'm using civilization very loosely... The Mesopotamian's, along with every other civilization, were intellectually superior to Africans. Human progress proceeded exponentially everywhere except Africa, where it has remained at a constant level for many, many years. Like I said, Africa had many river valleys with fertile soil as well. All the reasons you listed in the continued comment make sense back then, but in the modern world they don't need to worry about these things. They still haven't changed and become civilized, they're still tribal people. I'm pretty sure if we took those babies and allowed them to, they'd have something a hell of a lot better than what Africa is like now.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-] Read my posts more carefully. I addressed all this stuff about river valleys.
"human progress proceeded exponentially everywhere except Africa, where it has remained at a constant level for many, many years. "
It remained constant for all humans for like 96% of human existence. Look, I even drew you a helpful diagram. See that flat almost-horizontal part? That's most of human history, including in Europe and Asia. If you look at just Africa-minus-Egypt, the curve would be shifted a teensy bit to the right.
Homo sapiens reached the Middle East (e.g. the fertile valley of Mesopotamia) 125,000 years ago, but only developed the first civilization like 8,000 years ago.
We were all primitive savages for most of out existence, and the people who came out of first were those who had the most resources.
And "cold hard statistics" tell you nothing about causation. You can find stats to "support" any theory you care to make up, but that doesn't mean the theory is correct.
If you did a literacy study in the Middle Ages, you'd find that girls had much lower literacy than men. Would you conclude that men are inherently smarter than women?
If so, you'd be a colossal idiot, because women at the time were literally denied access to education.
"human progress proceeded exponentially everywhere except Africa, where it has remained at a constant level for many, many years. "
It remained constant for all humans for like 96% of human existence. Look, I even drew you a helpful diagram. See that flat almost-horizontal part? That's most of human history, including in Europe and Asia. If you look at just Africa-minus-Egypt, the curve would be shifted a teensy bit to the right.
Homo sapiens reached the Middle East (e.g. the fertile valley of Mesopotamia) 125,000 years ago, but only developed the first civilization like 8,000 years ago.
We were all primitive savages for most of out existence, and the people who came out of first were those who had the most resources.
And "cold hard statistics" tell you nothing about causation. You can find stats to "support" any theory you care to make up, but that doesn't mean the theory is correct.
If you did a literacy study in the Middle Ages, you'd find that girls had much lower literacy than men. Would you conclude that men are inherently smarter than women?
If so, you'd be a colossal idiot, because women at the time were literally denied access to education.
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N. Korean citizen (02/22/2013) [-]
If I looked at Africa minus Egypt the line would remain to slightly go up at the same rate up to this moment. They haven't advanced at all. They lived in mudhuts 8,000 years ago and they live in mudhuts today. All of these reasons still do not explain why today, in the modern world, with all these opportunities and resources Africa now has resources to, they still can not get their shit together. This is why it is in their DNA. As a people, they have a much limited intelligence quota than other groups of people. Their brain isn't as evolved. I have a theory to explain why but that's a theory of my own. It's my own idea to explain why they seem to be so much less intelligent than everyone else. I'm sure you wouldn't agree with it so i'm not gonna type it unless you ask me to elaborate on it.
But now the statistics point. That explains why it'll be like that back then. But in the modern world, everyone has equal opportunities. They can no longer use the same excuses they used to.
But now the statistics point. That explains why it'll be like that back then. But in the modern world, everyone has equal opportunities. They can no longer use the same excuses they used to.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-] Do you seriously believe most Africans live in mudhuts? Are you fucking stupid?
"But in the modern world, everyone has equal opportunities."
Absolutely wrong. I shouldn't even have to explain how naive and false this idea is.
I'm out of time, but look up the Songhai, Mali, Ethiopian, Great Zimbabwe empires. Look up the West African people who sold the slaves to the Europeans who colonized the Americas. If it weren't for the slavery and the colonialism in Africa some of these civilizations might even still exist.
Actually, just do more research in general about history and causal factors, instead of making up pseudoscientific theories to support your preconceived beliefs.
"But in the modern world, everyone has equal opportunities."
Absolutely wrong. I shouldn't even have to explain how naive and false this idea is.
I'm out of time, but look up the Songhai, Mali, Ethiopian, Great Zimbabwe empires. Look up the West African people who sold the slaves to the Europeans who colonized the Americas. If it weren't for the slavery and the colonialism in Africa some of these civilizations might even still exist.
Actually, just do more research in general about history and causal factors, instead of making up pseudoscientific theories to support your preconceived beliefs.
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Ruspanic ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-] (forgot to address this point: environmental or any other factors never equally affect every individual in the population, but they do affect general trends and statistical correlations).
< These are Sami people circa 1900, a time, when most European cities were industrialized.
The Sami are native to northern Scandinavia (they are white Europeans), and their ties to that land can be traced back to prehistoric times. For most of their existence they have been nomadic hunters and fishermen.
Why? Because they're genetically inferior to other white people?
Of maybe it's because they live in a fucking frozen wasteland.
< These are Sami people circa 1900, a time, when most European cities were industrialized.
The Sami are native to northern Scandinavia (they are white Europeans), and their ties to that land can be traced back to prehistoric times. For most of their existence they have been nomadic hunters and fishermen.
Why? Because they're genetically inferior to other white people?
Of maybe it's because they live in a fucking frozen wasteland.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
The fact that you mentioned that they use fraudulent SS numbers as an example... that is extremely illegal and a huge problem. I seriously hope your employer gets thrown and jail and you get your ass deported. You're taking that job away from a legal American citizen.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
Actually a lot of these corporations are bringing jobs back to America. Ford for example just closed down a factory in Europe (I forget where) and is reopening it somewhere in the middle states. How is Walmart taking jobs away though? If they open a store in America they hire American employees... They have stores in other countries though but that doesn't take American jobs. They actually hire millions of Americans, they're one of the #1 employers.
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hippymofuka (02/21/2013) [-] Because they pay manufactures in other countries to make the products. Like toshiba, makes products in other countries with slave salary, a job that could be worked by americans but instead it's work by some middle-asian country.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
You shouldn't have come here illegally in the first place. Ah you live in Arizona, I should have known. You also look like a dirty Mexican. I like Arizona for it's immigration laws. I hope you get stopped on the street with your fake information and your ass gets deported. Along with your family.
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hippymofuka (02/22/2013) [-] I didnt come here, i was brought here. And yeah Arizona is a horrible place for immigrants, too bad for them that i live in Tucson and we have a strong community and we take care of each other so dont get so excited cus i wont get deported.
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N. Korean citizen (02/22/2013) [-]
Well then you shouldn't have been brought here illegally. Arizona is a model for how all of America should treat immigrants. I really wish I could report you to the proper authorities... if you wanted to live here than do it the right way, if you don't want to do it the right way than you obviously don't want to be here that badly.
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hippymofuka (02/22/2013) [-] That's the fucking point! They are not giving the opportunity to do it the right way to people like me who are forced to lived by these conditions. People in Washington who have a phobia towards immigrant aren't giving the opportunity because they are a bunch of racist old hags. Listen to what one of your leaders, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, says about immigrants for fuck sakes.
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N. Korean citizen (02/22/2013) [-]
Now it's too late, you already came here illegally and broke US law. That's why you can't do it now, you fucked up and now need to pay for it. Your parents should have done it the right way in the first place. Do all the proper steps then when you're approved come here.
Also they try to keep you out because of statistics. This may sound racist but it's a fact, minorities (mostly blacks and latinos) commit more crimes than whites. Statistically speaking. So that's why. The ones who do something good do not outweigh the bad, it's just not worth it.
Also they try to keep you out because of statistics. This may sound racist but it's a fact, minorities (mostly blacks and latinos) commit more crimes than whites. Statistically speaking. So that's why. The ones who do something good do not outweigh the bad, it's just not worth it.
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hippymofuka (02/23/2013) [-] I didn't fucked up and my parents aren't to blame either. My mom was running away from my abusive father. Mexico has no work that could help my mom take care of 3 kids and the mexican government doesn't bother to help broken families. The only people that can do it "legally" are those who do not need to migrate because they are already in families of means.
As for the crime, think about it, if you come here for a better future but you cannot find a job because Bob Goodlatte said that mexican immigrants should not have equal rights as human beings and they should work like slaves, then where do you go to make money? Very few people who actually commit crimes are proud of it, in the other hand, the majority of criminals are ashamed of what they do for a living, selling drugs or robing people that is not something that some one wakes up one morning and decides to do.
As for the crime, think about it, if you come here for a better future but you cannot find a job because Bob Goodlatte said that mexican immigrants should not have equal rights as human beings and they should work like slaves, then where do you go to make money? Very few people who actually commit crimes are proud of it, in the other hand, the majority of criminals are ashamed of what they do for a living, selling drugs or robing people that is not something that some one wakes up one morning and decides to do.
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N. Korean citizen (02/23/2013) [-]
So your mom was running from her problems? Maybe she shouldn't have had 3 kids then huh? Or not have gotten with your father in the first place. And now she made it even worse by illegally migrating here. She made her mistakes and now she has to live with them. No one's to blame but herself for making horrible life decisions.
So these people who break the law and illegally come here expect to be treated as equals to the ones who were born here or migrated here the right way? They're just looking for the easiest way to come here. Also, how about instead of making our country worse you make yours better? Have some nationalism and try to fix your country.
So these people who break the law and illegally come here expect to be treated as equals to the ones who were born here or migrated here the right way? They're just looking for the easiest way to come here. Also, how about instead of making our country worse you make yours better? Have some nationalism and try to fix your country.
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N. Korean citizen (02/24/2013) [-]
So why don't your own people do something about it instead of jumping the border to fuck us up?! You obviously have no nationalists there. I don't blame them though, if I was Mexican, I wouldn't be proud of my shit country either. You haven't done anything good since the Aztecs.
Maybe you'd understand why I hate these illegal immigrants if you grew up in my twn. I grew up in a mostly white town and I saw before my very eyes you fucking Mexicans flood into my once peaceful town and it's been down hill ever since. It's not only you though, the blacks ruined it too. I saw this town go from a beautiful suburb to what it is now. You fucking minorities ruined it. Stores are closing down, there's more crime, and the town just simply doesn't look as nice as it used it.
Maybe you'd understand why I hate these illegal immigrants if you grew up in my twn. I grew up in a mostly white town and I saw before my very eyes you fucking Mexicans flood into my once peaceful town and it's been down hill ever since. It's not only you though, the blacks ruined it too. I saw this town go from a beautiful suburb to what it is now. You fucking minorities ruined it. Stores are closing down, there's more crime, and the town just simply doesn't look as nice as it used it.
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N. Korean citizen (02/24/2013) [-]
We should have left you out because you have nothing to offer. There's no point in including you in a trading agreement when you have nothing to fucking trade.
I'll say it again, why don't you fucking dirty Mexicans do something about the problems there then instead of running across the border to fuck us up?! You obviously have no nationalists there. I don't blame them though, if I was Mexican, I wouldn't be proud of my shit country either. You haven't done anything good since the Aztecs.
They better not reform it. It should become more difficult to become a citizen, not easier. We already have too many, we don't need any more trash than what we already have.
I'll say it again, why don't you fucking dirty Mexicans do something about the problems there then instead of running across the border to fuck us up?! You obviously have no nationalists there. I don't blame them though, if I was Mexican, I wouldn't be proud of my shit country either. You haven't done anything good since the Aztecs.
They better not reform it. It should become more difficult to become a citizen, not easier. We already have too many, we don't need any more trash than what we already have.
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hippymofuka (02/24/2013) [-] You didnt read the agreement fully. It's a trade agreement where goods can cross borders with out taxation. Also, it allows corporations to establish in Mexico and Canada. Because they are foreign Corporations, Mexico cannot regulate them. Corporations like Walmart give out jobs but pay so little is not worth it. They buy land that is owned by people and take it away by force. Now you have people being screwed by American corporations running away looking for a better future. So if you are going to blame anyone for Mexicos tragedy and people coming over, think about who is causing and what you are doing to stop it. Like an Oil spill, close the valve not just cover the ocean. pretty simple stuff.
As for the reform, well, suck it up 'cause it's happening.
As for the reform, well, suck it up 'cause it's happening.
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N. Korean citizen (02/23/2013) [-]
America can't go around solving everyone else's problem. Other countries need to do it them damn selves. I honestly don't give a shit what happens in Mexico. You're Mexican so you probably do, so you should be the one to try to fix the problems, not us. We have our own shit to deal with.
We should have left Mexico out of NAFTA. Canada and US should have been the only ones in it.
It's illegal for a reason and they know it's illegal so they make the conscious decision to break the law knowing full well the consequences.
We should have left Mexico out of NAFTA. Canada and US should have been the only ones in it.
It's illegal for a reason and they know it's illegal so they make the conscious decision to break the law knowing full well the consequences.
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hippymofuka (02/23/2013) [-] "We should have left Mexico out of NAFTA. Canada and US should have been the only ones in it. "
Exactly my point!
It's because of NAFTA there is no work in Mexico. Only slave work shops that's why people leave. That's why Natives in mexico lose their land and they look for a better place to live. Read between the lines. Question your own government.
Either way, believe it or not, but 70% of the US agrees with the idea of the Immigration Reform. Like it or not, there is going to be a lot more immigrants turning into Residents. Stay tuned to the news.
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N. Korean citizen (02/23/2013) [-]
Reply limit reached on other comment.
We can't just have every person who wants to just come into our country. It wouldn't work out well. We need those laws or else there would be a flood of people coming in. If anything, I think we should let less people in. People who are illegal immigrants are breaking the law, it even says so right there; "Illegal". I'm imagining a better future. I want to keep America American.
We can't just have every person who wants to just come into our country. It wouldn't work out well. We need those laws or else there would be a flood of people coming in. If anything, I think we should let less people in. People who are illegal immigrants are breaking the law, it even says so right there; "Illegal". I'm imagining a better future. I want to keep America American.
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hippymofuka (02/23/2013) [-] KKK reference?
And calling something illegal doesnt make it unlawful. It's like calling someone gay and it makes them gay. That's just word play to get people to hate immigrants.
If you would had research NAFTA you would know why there is so much immigration happening. You can close the border with a 100ft tall wall but they will manage to find a way to get in. You need to solve the root of the problem. I too imagine a better future. And even though i am Mexican, i love this country and i will find a way to stop all this nonsense hate.
And calling something illegal doesnt make it unlawful. It's like calling someone gay and it makes them gay. That's just word play to get people to hate immigrants.
If you would had research NAFTA you would know why there is so much immigration happening. You can close the border with a 100ft tall wall but they will manage to find a way to get in. You need to solve the root of the problem. I too imagine a better future. And even though i am Mexican, i love this country and i will find a way to stop all this nonsense hate.
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N. Korean citizen (02/23/2013) [-]
I don't feel like criminals are equal to the rest of us, sorry. Those who break the law should not expect to be welcomed with open arms and just have all the same benefits as every other law abiding citizen. The people who immigrated here legally or were born here deserve these benefits. Or else a lot more people would just come here illegally. Your mom made the choices in her life, no one forced her to have 3 children when she didn't have a stable source of income to support them. She also obviously chose to be with your crazy father, how is that anyone else's fault but her own? She dug her own grave.
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hippymofuka (02/23/2013) [-] People starving and looking for a better tomorrow are not criminals, the "laws" that say otherwise are completely inhumane.
I am an law abiding resident, I have never in my life broken an actual law here or hurt anyone or done anything that could be frown upon.
The people who legally came here where never in need of doing so, they had money to pay for such a thing.
You seriously think it's my moms fault? You must be one of those sexist assholes who blame women on everything that happens huh? How was my mom suppose to know that my dad would turn abusive after a 7 years together, eh?
Like seriously, I am in complete shock that there is a person out there lie you. If you seriously think of life in that way, i don't know what kind of future you are imagining.
I am an law abiding resident, I have never in my life broken an actual law here or hurt anyone or done anything that could be frown upon.
The people who legally came here where never in need of doing so, they had money to pay for such a thing.
You seriously think it's my moms fault? You must be one of those sexist assholes who blame women on everything that happens huh? How was my mom suppose to know that my dad would turn abusive after a 7 years together, eh?
Like seriously, I am in complete shock that there is a person out there lie you. If you seriously think of life in that way, i don't know what kind of future you are imagining.
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N. Korean citizen (02/20/2013) [-]
That pisses me off about them too, they're skipping out on taxes. They also take jobs. inb4 the jobs that no one wants. Just shut the fuck up. If you have a family and just lost your job, you'll do what ever it takes to keep food on the table. You'll mow a damn lawn, do some manual labor, it doesn't matter. I don't understand where this false sense of entitlement comes from. Especially with kids around my age (19). They act like they're too good to do certain jobs like fast food and stuff. They need to get over themselves. You have no reason to feel accomplished and like you deserve anything.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
Again, it's American corporations that are making those economics problems and. Read up on "economic hitmen".
Also your government support puppet democracies and dictators which allows your corporations to dumb uneccessary and overpriced goods in their countrys, while the puppet democracy president and dicatators get rich, this happens in places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
Also your government support puppet democracies and dictators which allows your corporations to dumb uneccessary and overpriced goods in their countrys, while the puppet democracy president and dicatators get rich, this happens in places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
Because the American military is backing these corporations, and no one nation in the wolrd can take on our military (maybe if 2 or 3 nations decide to fight together, then yes, but not one on one).
I'm not talking about the ordinary soldier who just signed up for military service to escape financial troubles, I'm talking about the military leaders. Remeber Eisenhower warning about the "military industrial complex".
Again, read up on "Economic hitmen", you might understand it better, of course unless you listen to the mainstream media (especially Fox News and MSNBC).
I'm not talking about the ordinary soldier who just signed up for military service to escape financial troubles, I'm talking about the military leaders. Remeber Eisenhower warning about the "military industrial complex".
Again, read up on "Economic hitmen", you might understand it better, of course unless you listen to the mainstream media (especially Fox News and MSNBC).
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
By the way, most if not all government officals are corrputed, including our government. Except here it is legal corrpution in the form of Lobbys and special interest groups. For example, you have to Isrealu lobby lobbing for the removel of Hagel as a defense secreatry, so we are allowing foreign powers to dictate our nomiantions.
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [-]
You thing you can comapre a whole industry backed by the military, approved by out leders comapres to a commander rebel in some jungles. Come on.
By the way it has been talked about, ever since Eisenhower, but you know what, not enough people care because they are too busy with video games, tv and other consumeristic goods, and whenever there is a problem, lets blame the foreigners in this country.
You can start with thist video:
1. Two minute video explaining what economic hitmen are: www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Fzm1hEiDQ
By the way it has been talked about, ever since Eisenhower, but you know what, not enough people care because they are too busy with video games, tv and other consumeristic goods, and whenever there is a problem, lets blame the foreigners in this country.
You can start with thist video:
1. Two minute video explaining what economic hitmen are: www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Fzm1hEiDQ
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ilikerapingmen (02/21/2013) [-] Its amazing how many people don't realize this is copypasta, and that they are getting trolled.
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dafiltafish (02/21/2013) [-] Well this wasn't that bad. People I know have called people speaking Russian illegal Mexicans.
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asukalangley (02/20/2013) [-] How can a cat get angry when people can't speak English in America?
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N. Korean citizen (02/21/2013) [+]
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90% of you are missing the point. America = North and South. The minority of countries native tongue is English. She's basically telling people in Peru that they better "get their shit together and learn English.
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pxthreezerothree (02/21/2013) [-]
No, you're missing the point. North and South America are separate continents that make up the Americas. The word American without a modifier refers to those from the US specifically. And don't give me that bullshit about "United Statians" or whatever. Ecuador just means Equator in Spanish, no one is giving them a bunch of bullshit about the Equator spanning the globe. No body is going to start calling people from Kenya Ecuadorians.
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kalthorak ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] It depends on geographic system you are using, in the United States it is common to teach and use the one where North and South America are separate continents, in other places like most of Latin America it's taught the system in which America is one continent composed of three subcontinents, North, Central and South America, and the islands surrounding it.
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pxthreezerothree (02/22/2013) [-]
I'm aware of that. In a few places it's six. Here it is seven but in Russia it is 5 but with Europe and Asia combined. That makes more sense than combining North and South America. Eight makes the most sense (separated by continental plates, which would still keep North and South America separate). It's a bit arbitrary but the majority of the world views North and South America as two different continents.
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pxthreezerothree (02/22/2013) [-]
Noted but the flag was designed by Pierre de Coubertin (founder of the modern Olympic Games). He also thought women and Germans shouldn't be allowed to participate, so his opinion isn't incontrovertible proof that there are only five continents.
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Loppytaffy (02/21/2013) [+]
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Damn.
Well, then she best not learn about America's first collonies; Swedish, Finnish, Spanish, German, French, whatever other European country was bored at the time and fancied a trip across the pond.
Well, then she best not learn about America's first collonies; Swedish, Finnish, Spanish, German, French, whatever other European country was bored at the time and fancied a trip across the pond.
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Loppytaffy (02/21/2013) [-] Delaware is a Finnish state and New Sweden speaks for itself. I think the Gemans were turfed out quite quickly, but the Hessian mercinaries aparently liked it because they went back to help England during the Revolutionary war, and they just got blind drunk for a solid week.
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Loppytaffy (02/21/2013) [-] Well Portugal was part of the Spanish empire at the time, it's on the west Spanish border just below France.
The Dutch didn't care much, they were all for forcing japan to open their borders and being bros by introducing Chinese tea to British and starting a culture revolution.
The Dutch didn't care much, they were all for forcing japan to open their borders and being bros by introducing Chinese tea to British and starting a culture revolution.
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Loppytaffy (02/21/2013) [-] I dunno about that, but Sealand is separate from Britain, but it's still British.
Kugelmugel is separate from Austria, it's still Austrian.
Seborga and Sicily are separate from Italy, they're still Italian.
Greenland is separate form Denmark, it's still Danish.
Seychelles, Canada and America were all separate from Britain and France, they were still British and French.
Then there Australia, Hong Kong, India, Singapore, Filipines; the British Empire, all part of Britain.
Kugelmugel is separate from Austria, it's still Austrian.
Seborga and Sicily are separate from Italy, they're still Italian.
Greenland is separate form Denmark, it's still Danish.
Seychelles, Canada and America were all separate from Britain and France, they were still British and French.
Then there Australia, Hong Kong, India, Singapore, Filipines; the British Empire, all part of Britain.
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ironstrike (02/21/2013) [-]
If you want to get technical, I'm fairly sure the misuse of then and than is one of the easiest grammatical mistakes made by most people.
That, and it's completely irrelevant considering Cat wasn't *speaking* - Cat was typing.
I point out grammar flaws from time to time - but don't know why. I mean when you're hanging with friends and they're illiterate you wouldn't stop them every time they made a mistake.
That, and it's completely irrelevant considering Cat wasn't *speaking* - Cat was typing.
I point out grammar flaws from time to time - but don't know why. I mean when you're hanging with friends and they're illiterate you wouldn't stop them every time they made a mistake.
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Dwarf (02/21/2013) [-] **Dwarf rolled a random image posted in comment #7 at Obama is love ** Poster with autism...
Okay, items, can you stop trying to be funny? A gay Man wasn't funny, Phanact Is God wasn't funny, Anonymous Pussy wasn't funny, you're not funny. You're what grinds my gears, items, FUCK YOU!
Okay, items, can you stop trying to be funny? A gay Man wasn't funny, Phanact Is God wasn't funny, Anonymous Pussy wasn't funny, you're not funny. You're what grinds my gears, items, FUCK YOU!
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trollmobile ONLINE (02/21/2013) [-] YEAH!
and if you ever move somewhere else, we will harass you for not speaking our native language at once, or preferably before you get here.
and if you ever move somewhere else, we will harass you for not speaking our native language at once, or preferably before you get here.
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temporalguardian (02/20/2013) [+]
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Nothing makes me happier than knowing grammar better than an american in an arguement.
