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#580 - anonymous (02/11/2013) [-]
I don't understand the need for gays to need the right to get *married*, which is a ritual with deep roots in religion. I understand their reasoning, but why don't they call it something different and work towards gaining the same privileges married couples get, such as shared insurance etc. Politics is a game, I'm 100% sure that if they called it something other than "marriage" it would pass much easier. America is a bureaucracy. Wording goes a long way.

And don't give me "if heterosexuals can do it than gays should too" because ill counter with childbirth.
#605 to #580 - headhunternl (02/11/2013) [-]
Call it something different..

hmm

How about "Butt Buddies"
#583 to #580 - anonymous (02/11/2013) [-]
ITT:
Anon thinks marriage began with religion.
Anon thinks gay people don't wish to be recognized as a couple under God.
Anon thinks separate but equal doesn't promote alienation.
Anon thinks homosexuals cannot have surrogates and sperm donations.
Anon is stupid.
#594 to #583 - LewdFlapjack (02/11/2013) [-]
-Okay, jackass. Marriage in THIS COUNTRY is religious in origin. You can argue and call me anon all you want. You'll still be wrong.
-Also, if God doesn't accept gays, WHY IN THE **** WOULD gayS WANT TO BE MARRIED UNDER GOD. Its a logical fallacy that CANNOT be denied.
-Separate but equal does promote alienation, but if they wish to be treated like everyone else why do they insist that they are in fact different than everyone else. Tolerance is not treating everyone the same, it's treating everyone with respect.
-Anon thinks this anon is solely talking about female homosexuals because that is the only scenario in which the fourth argument is valid.

Look, ******* . If you want to have an actual intellectual conversation, the by all means reply. If you, however, wish to make me look like a bigoted jackass. then go kill yourself. I am anything but.

Tl;dr. Anon is a *********** *********** who cannot infer knowledge from a basic argument.
#608 to #594 - anonymous (02/11/2013) [-]
America began as a colonization that was against both taxes and religious persecution. Persecuation against gays go against the beginnings of America.

God accepting gays is a widely discussed issue. Many Christians do not think that God wouldn't accept gays. In fact, America is the only first world country besides China where the residents think God hates gays and evolution is false, proven by many studies. You're a minority.

Do not use a moronic arguement like "all gay people state they are different". All women are different from men, but they still have near equal rights under the same laws.

Surrogates are used for male homosexuals. Which is why I mentioned them. Male couples have children with the help of surrogates or adoption.

You're quite stupid. Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.
#624 to #608 - LewdFlapjack (02/11/2013) [-]
I don;t even feel the need to offer counterpoints. America was founded because a bunch of rich guys didn't want to pay taxes anymore. Religion had nothing to do with it. The reason religious freedom enters the picture is because protestants came to America pretty much as exiles.
No, god accepting gays is a cut and dry issue.ask any devout catholic. The only way to religiously accept gays is to ignore the old testament, which many do. doesnt mean the bible pardons it.
WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT FROM MEN. gayS ARE DIFFERENT FROM STRAIGHTS. DIFFERENCE IS WHAT MAKES OUR COUNTRY SO GREAT. ITS A MELTING POT.
You use political rhetoric in your arguments. it sad. downthumb me all you want. you are still a moron.
You misunderstand my ******* point. I WANT gayS TO GET THE SAME PROVELEGES HETEROS ENJOY. There is an efficient way to go about it, and arguing with religious types is NOT THAT WAY.
#628 to #624 - anonymous (02/11/2013) [-]
Except it's not efficient. The exact same thing was offered for African American rights vs Caucasian rights. I'll get to the point instead of arguing against your others, since you don't seem to understand yet.

It failed. Numerous times. And it made African Americans feel alienated. And there were quite a few supremacists that were against their rights in general, but they still lost in the end.

You're not well educated on history. You're not educated on your own religion, and the different sects in it. You didn't understand what a surrogate was. You think that difference means different laws, even though I've stated many times that it doesn't.

Put simply, educate yourself. Learn why separate but equal failed. Learn that your religion has more than "devout" catholics and born agains. Learn that your way of fixing things would not work, and has been proven by the history of our nation to be a bad idea.
User avatar #627 to #624 - Brucis (02/11/2013) [-]
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. "

Colossians 2:13-14

TL;DR Old Testament ain't **** .
User avatar #616 to #608 - Brucis (02/11/2013) [-]
>America is the only first world country besides China where the residents think God hates gays and evolution is false

Hey hey hey, let's not go that far. I highly doubt that most people think that in the US. There's a lot of vocal people who hate it when something that contradicts what they believe in is endorsed. Unfortunately, these people often get their way. And let's not get into statistics and studies, as while they seem infallible they can be, and often are, twisted to suit whatever purpose they were commissioned for.
#622 to #616 - anonymous (02/11/2013) [-]
Perhaps not, but it is a huge amount compared to other first world countries, you cannot deny that. I'm from America, and I know that most people in the US are not well educated on what evolution is, how it goes, and why it's okay to believe in both God and evolution. Many also aren't educated on what being homosexual is, why it's genetic and uncontrollable, and why it's okay for someone to be homosexual.
User avatar #625 to #622 - Brucis (02/11/2013) [-]
>but it is a huge amount compared to other first world countries, you cannot deny that
I won't.

>I know that most people in the US are not well educated on what evolution is, how it goes, and why it's okay to believe in both God and evolution.
That's a generalization. Most can be 50.1%-99.9%. And even then it's among the group that the study was conducted on. A group of takers in a tightly religious area will likely give far different percentages than an area known to be more progressive (so to speak). An entire nation wide survey (300mil+ people) is not possible while still remaining accurate. People won't do it, will try to skew answers, cheat, etc etc.

>Many also aren't educated on what being homosexual is, why it's genetic and uncontrollable, and why it's okay for someone to be homosexual.
Same as above, although why it's genetic has more credibility than not knowing what evolution is.


Again, I mostly agree. But I highly doubt that it's to the extent you make it out to be.
#597 to #594 - LewdFlapjack (02/11/2013) [-]
I'm not against equal rights for gays. I AM against blind ignorance.
User avatar #581 to #580 - demonictoasters (02/11/2013) [-]
Counter it with childbirth? Lol gays can do that too. SO go ahead and try that argument. For the record marriage has been a tradition among many different peoples, not always being linked to religion.
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