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User avatar #60 - timmywankenobi (02/05/2013) [-]
you know when I look at the equality and gender rights issue objectively it seems like men have put more work into society .I mean about 97% of things that have ever been built IE. (roads houses etc) were built by men and 96% of things invented or discovered were done by You need to login to view this link just seem like as far as society is concerned men have been doing all the heavy lifting as a whole. and women as a whole have been more enjoying the fruits of men's labors not to say women haven't invented or discover some important things and women have made may literary contributions.but as a whole statistically women are not carrying their weight in these aspects of society .though as I have been told as a rebuttal by my feminist sister "women are responsible for 100% of child births so I think that evens things out. " anyway make of this what you will I just wanted to share my thoughts and maybe get other people insights on this topic.
User avatar #64 to #60 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
considering your "96" percentage (and anything else of that high of a percent), consider the fact that women weren't allowed to/were highly discouraged from being active members in creating the foundations of society - politics, infrastructure, etc. for millennia, until the past 1.5 centuries.
User avatar #65 to #64 - timmywankenobi (02/05/2013) [-]
I did consider that .
User avatar #66 to #65 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
So they were prevented from carrying their "weight" the majority of the time because they were following social standards.
User avatar #68 to #66 - timmywankenobi (02/05/2013) [-]
Right but to this day women still have shown statistically little interest in inventing and building or making mathematics or scientific discoveries. even though there are more highly educated women now then there has been, possibly ever in history.
User avatar #69 to #68 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
Can you provide some proof?
User avatar #72 to #69 - timmywankenobi (02/05/2013) [-]

The women inventor patent share of annually granted U.S. origin patents rose from 2.6 percent in 1977 to 10.3 percent in 1998.
The majority of the U.S. origin woman-inventor patents are in the chemical technologies.
In 1996, 11.2 percent of the U.S. origin patent grants which were owned by the Federal Government at the time of grant included a woman inventor.
In the past 20 years, about 83 percent of the U.S. origin patent grants to women were for utility patents, 16.5 percent for design patents, and 0.5 for plant patents.
About 35 percent of the U.S. origin women inventors patents granted during the 1977 to 1996 period originated from California, New York, or New Jersey.
User avatar #177 to #72 - awakendhybrid (02/06/2013) [-]
This is only valid in a society that ONLY functions off of invention, infrastructure...etc--which is simply untrue.
User avatar #179 to #177 - timmywankenobi (02/06/2013) [-]
it is called Captialisim.
User avatar #181 to #179 - awakendhybrid (02/06/2013) [-]
Yes I get that and can even sympathize, but humans run off more than just the material of this world. Who is to say that the male and the female really are better suited for different functions...different, but all equally needed to thrive as a species.
User avatar #192 to #181 - timmywankenobi (02/06/2013) [-]
science and evolution say that men and women are suited to different tasks but that is a different tangent of what I was saying and yes both are equally needed but my point is just going by the numbers women are not doing as much to maintain society as men nor are they taking responsibility for problems as men do . yet a increasing number of women demand that women should have or "deserves" to have more privileges and rights (even though they already have more rights and privileges then men) and that they should simultaneously not be held responsible for what they do (the way men are) because they are just women ? I find this to be hypocritical, illogical and confusing .
User avatar #197 to #192 - awakendhybrid (02/06/2013) [-]
Yes. In regards to the people in this world who feel so entitled, I agree.
User avatar #74 to #72 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
So this can be interpreted in 2 ways:

1) Women aren't contributing as much as men, up to 1998 (can you provide something more recent?)
2) They are becoming increasingly influential. Thus, we need some more recent statistics.

Also, what's your source?
User avatar #75 to #74 - timmywankenobi (02/05/2013) [-]
my source is the patent office . I would also like to see more recent data I will look for some.
#71 to #69 - frylord (02/05/2013) [-]
Can you?!
User avatar #73 to #71 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
I'm not going to go through this much effort; I'm just trying to see if he has proof.

But can you honestly say that women weren't kept from being educated, and didn't have the role of the "housewife," in the past?

Sure, in medieval times they had to work the farm to support their families, because most were serfs. But more recently, society actually became more restrictive.

The burden of proof is actually timmy because the standard has been oppression throughout the centuries.
User avatar #78 to #73 - comicsjoey **User deleted account** (02/05/2013) [-]
dude,what he means is: ''the milisecond that women were given rigths to build and carry ************ ,they should have started rigth away, instead of starting to bitch and asking for more ''equality,equality,you can't hit me im a girl'' duh you don't get it do you? because you are 100€ a girl,or you haven't had relation with those bitches you want to punch in the face but can't due to stupid laws.
User avatar #83 to #78 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
User avatar #82 to #78 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
I guess I haven't had a relation with those people (I'm a guy)

As far as I've seen, girls have pulled their own weight. Because they are treated the same. But this hasn't always been the case.

But if they aren't given the same rights, which they weren't until the 1970s (in many respects), then why should they pull their "weight?"

So, the case is twofold: not only were rights not granted (for a while) until after women were encouraged to pull their weight, but before that they weren't even encouraged to do so.

I do agree, however, that the only thing holding women back now is their own social stigma that says that they are being held back. It's a self-fulfilling though process.
User avatar #85 to #82 - comicsjoey **User deleted account** (02/05/2013) [-]
''As far as I've seen, girls have pulled their own weight.''

1) You havent explored this world too much


2) You
User avatar #88 to #85 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
I don't really consider myself lucky.

Honestly, it depends on the individual. That's like saying that blacks don't pull their weight.
User avatar #134 to #88 - yutakenusername (02/05/2013) [-]
You are an intelligent individual and I applaud you for standing your ground against these bumbling fools.
User avatar #106 to #88 - comicsjoey **User deleted account** (02/05/2013) [-]
????? nooo, i'm saying that most of the women I know are bitches who spend all day bitching, feminazis and those sort of bitches, so it's hard for me to understand the utopia you are describing, a place where women don't bitch so much because they know that it is not nice. also, I find funny how my opinion is geeting thumbed down, without mathematical reason, because obviously i am not saying you are lying, I am just saying that where I live things are diferent. If I said 3+6=8786 it would be logical to thumb me down, but if you lived with bitches feminazis of 15 years in your calss during the past years, without being able to punch them straight in the face, you can't understand my pain and solace.
User avatar #120 to #106 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
Ok, fine, maybe you live in a ****** neighborhood, in which case I can't say I feel your pain, but good luck nonethelsess. I'm a freshman at college now and even here, where people are from all over the world, they don't live in feminazi communities.

btw I'm not the one thumbing you down; I have no idea who is.
User avatar #123 to #120 - comicsjoey **User deleted account** (02/05/2013) [-]

anyway I still don't get the joke about the pig in the crowd. Can u explain plz?
User avatar #125 to #123 - HarvietheDinkle (02/05/2013) [-]
It's an easter egg.

No reason for a pig specifically; it's just meant to be random.
User avatar #70 to #69 - timmywankenobi (02/05/2013) [-]
hmm let me see if I can find some
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