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User avatar #19 - KawaiiChan ONLINE (02/04/2013) [-]
I still can't stop wondering why everyone has a weapon of some sort (knife or gun)... The soldiers I understand... but why the **** does all the other ones need them? O.o
User avatar #244 to #19 - Blitzken (02/05/2013) [-]
and the female soldier only had a mini box cutter and not gun
#161 to #19 - ghghfhi (02/05/2013) [-]
First off, most people carry a knife around as a tool, not a weapon. Secondly, the only type of people that post in those threads are smug bastards that want to show off that they carry a gun around.
#32 to #19 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (02/04/2013) [-]
Librarian and delivery man I can understand. Libraries hold quite a bit of cash on premises with a massive lack of security, and a delivery man is, well, a delivery man.
User avatar #526 to #32 - KawaiiChan ONLINE (02/05/2013) [-]
Yeah... but I also think i'ts because I live in Sweden that I think it's so weird... Almost no one carry around guns or knifes here (atleast not guns) , and you wouldn't see a librarian in a million years carry something like that here.
#535 to #526 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (02/05/2013) [-]
I live in England. Same here, the most someone would carry is the occasional pocket knife. It's different in America though. Guns are an ingrained part of the culture, and will be until that culture is changed.

And by that I don't mean gun restriction laws. That only makes it harder for civilians to get weapons for house defense and sport. I mean better education and welfare, since most crime is borne from poverty.
User avatar #29 to #19 - thepastryistrue (02/04/2013) [-]
I carry a swiss pocket knife around me... But mostly for the screw driver...
But I wondered about the guns as well... I could definitely not live in a country, where I have to carry around a gun to feel safe.
User avatar #357 to #29 - Fgner (02/05/2013) [-]
I just feel safe knowing people around me carry guns. 99.99999% are sane people who would gladly save my life if a criminal came up to me.
User avatar #524 to #357 - thepastryistrue (02/05/2013) [-]
I don't want to kick the whole gun-discussion off, but I feel safe knowing that there aren't even that many criminals around here from whom I have to be saved. If I want to go outside after dark and walk around even the weirdest neighbourhoods, I feel safe to do so.

And I think that is an ideal which is a priori preferable over a society in which people have to carry guns to feel safe.
User avatar #527 to #524 - Fgner (02/05/2013) [-]
Yes, of course the ideal is to have a country without a need for violence. I don't blame the availability of weapons in the United States for the crime rate, correlation is not causation. I blame the countries (the people, not the government) violent nature. Other first world countries (no offense) are much softer than Americans, we're as a country pretty violent people. The problem needing to be addressed is this violent attitude, much more than guns. In my old ethics class, we were debating this very topic, and when asked what I thought, I was the only one who said "isn't the problem more that we have the most homeless, crazies, criminals, and blood hungry murderers than anyone else, not what weapons they use to go through with the act?"

Furthermore, crime also rises from desperation. We don't take good care of our people. And don't misunderstand. I'm drawing a fine line between letting food stamps go toward lobster meals (yes, that's right, it happens way to often) and taking care of a citizen. My ex's parents started getting food stamps and they didn't even apply. They owned a business on the beach and bought a new car every other year. They weren't poor, but they got food stamps because they were immigrants. Meanwhile, I met a guy at a movie theatre who was starving and homeless whom didn't get any help at all.

So a solution to the countries crime isn't weapons (in my opinion), but addressing these two important factors. We need to rework the safety net systems to prevent abuse of the system, while making sure people who need help get it.

But alas, that's not how it is right now. So I prefer the weapons. Also, I prefer the weapons on grounds that the right to bear arms is to allow the people to overthrow the government when it gets to corrupted (and therefore they won't go corrupt out of fear). Like it's starting to now. Ironically, while the government gets more corrupt, the people scream to take away our strength over them.

Just my two cents.
User avatar #528 to #527 - thepastryistrue (02/05/2013) [-]
That's right. The problem is the violence, not the guns itself. As long as the society is enforcing or at least not well enough cushioning violent behaviour, guns are a necessary evil.

But guns as a mean to prevent corruption of the government... I don't know, but that does not seem to work really well, does it? I think democratic boards and control gremiums that are staffed with experts in certain fields, that control the government and give account of their actions not only to each other, but publicly as well. That should be a better way, then fear...

But it's easy for me to say, in Germany we have a sovial market economy, which has mechanisms to prevent the economy to influence political decisions. That way corruption is not that present in our society. If a politician seems to be influenced by a larger company or pressure group, there's always a huge uproar, because his first intentions should be the interests of the people and not the ones of economical pressure groups.
User avatar #532 to #528 - Fgner (02/05/2013) [-]
Yeah, I've always admired Germany, I actually have plans to go for citizenship and move there after my education. My cousin just became a citizen last Christmas.

Anyway, yeah, the American system doesn't answer to anyone. The president has "executive orders" which essentially give him absolute power without answering to anyone. The people can only vote on offices, but we have no power once they get in office for years. Impeachment is virtually a noop. There's truly no way for us to defend ourselves against the government diplomatically. Remember, we were founded through a violent war knowing that our previous government refused to listen to diplomacy. Only makes sense that we established a government only fixable through the same means, you know?

You're a smart man, thank you for such an engaging conversation.

P.S. Have any advice about Germany and/or moving there for an American?
User avatar #533 to #532 - thepastryistrue (02/05/2013) [-]
You're certainly welcome, and thanks for the compliment, I can only return it.

I'm far from saying that the German political system is perfect, but... I don't want to say "by falling on our noses", since we metaphorically speaking begged for being punched in the face in the last hundred years ;), our experiences in history have emerged a couple of social and political mechanisms to prevent further experiences of that kind. ;) It's, so to speak, a mirrored development compared to the US.

Advice on moving to Germany... Hm... that's difficult. Try not to go to Eastern Germany, the rental fees may be lower, but there's nothing much to gain. ;) Hamburg is very nice, but expensive. Try Cologne or something in this area, there's much going on. It always depends on what you want to do. About the formalities of naturalisation, or getting a visum or something like that, I have absolutely no knowledge. But I learned from a friend that you have to have a translated and notarised birth certificat if you want to marry. ;)
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