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#604 - HumbertoL
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(02/01/2013) [-]
They are not equal.... The AR-15 has a faster fire rate.

That's like saying a Honda is the same as a Lamborghini because they can both use the same kind of gasoline.
#713 to #604 - anon
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Flagged your picture as porn.
#702 to #604 - xadakk
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(02/01/2013) [-]
You just went full retard. You are why i can't talk about my SKS in public...
Pic related...my ******* SKS.
#626 to #604 - tankthefrank
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Holy **** you are retarded , you realize they are both SEMI-autos, the fire rate is only restricted to how you fast you can pull the trigger.
#731 to #638 - fapperdefap
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(02/01/2013) [-]
that looks like an M16
#708 to #638 - DrBobsPatient
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(02/01/2013) [-]
It says "fully automatic version only" ... The automatic version is only available to swat units. It's illegal for a law abiding civilian to purchase/own a fully automatic rifle.
#639 to #638 - HumbertoL
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(02/01/2013) [-]
800 round/min

That's a pretty fast finger
#648 to #639 - tankthefrank
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Are you even ******* reading the picture you posted???!???!???!?!!!
it says 800 rounds/min (fully automatic versions ONLY)
seriously how are you this incompetent

semi-auto, one pull one round
automatic, one pull, continuous rounds
civilians own *********************************
#688 to #648 - alexhill
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(02/01/2013) [-]
STFU and chill out its a gun
#701 to #688 - ScruffytheJanitor
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Tell that to Obama.
#740 to #701 - alexhill
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(02/01/2013) [-]
As in IDGAF not everyone is American and gives 2 ***** about guns and I'm bored of this retarded gun logic arguments
#651 to #648 - HumbertoL
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Your argument was that they are both only semi-automatic

And the picture is to prove that the AR15 is not necessarily just semiautomatic.

The fully automatics are also available to civilians. That's why they want to ban them.
#742 to #651 - SteyrAUG ONLINE
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(02/01/2013) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

They've been banned for civilian purchase since 1986. The only automatics out there are the ones that were registered at the time of the ban. And in order to purchase one you have to go through an extremely rigorous background check, acquire a class III firearms license (essentially making you a dealer) and THEN find someone willing to part with the automatic they own.
#703 to #651 - anon
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(02/01/2013) [-]
THAT'S FOR COP/SWAT USEyou ******* dumbass.
#691 to #651 - anon
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Fully automatic firearms have been banned for civilians since the 1930's. The only way to legally posses one it to obtain either a manufacturers license or a Class III weapons license. Both of those require you to be entered into a national database and registration with the ATF.
#752 to #691 - xadakk
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(02/01/2013) [-]
You say banned for civilians then say you can get one with a Class III license...Its not banned for civilians then.
#666 to #651 - tankthefrank
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(02/01/2013) [-]
they want to ban the semi autos, if legislation is passed it would be just as easy (and by that i mean extremely hard) for a civilian to go through the process of obtaining a full-auto. and the mini-14's rate of fire at SEMI-auto is 750 rounds per min, compare that to the AR's 800 rounds per min at FULL-auto and its pratically identical anyways.
link for proof: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-14
#620 to #604 - volleys
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Neither of them are automatic, so technically as fast as you can pull the trigger thats how fast it will shoot.
#645 to #620 - HumbertoL
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(02/01/2013) [-]
There is a version of the AR15 that is fully automatic and can fire at 800 round/min

(see above picture and link)
#652 to #645 - volleys
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Yes, but thats not the typical civilian model, you have to get a class 3 license or buy one on the streets. You could make pretty much any weapon automatic if you wanted to. There still wouldnt be much difference if either of these were automatic, it would be so fast that we wouldn't be able to tell.
#649 to #645 - tankthefrank
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(02/01/2013) [-]
you are infuriating me
#680 to #649 - FuckyouMrCrowley
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Don't worry tank i found that whole point he was offering up pretty stupid also
#614 to #604 - admiralshepard
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(02/01/2013) [-]
You're only limited by how fast you can pull the trigger on both weapons. The shooter decides how fast he can fire the weapon, so how can one fire an AR-15 faster than a Mini 14?
#630 to #614 - osskari
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(02/01/2013) [-]
there's still a max fire rate and i think the ar-15 is faster
#644 to #630 - admiralshepard
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(02/01/2013) [-]
Okay, I'll buy that, an M4A1 Carbine, which is a fully automatic military variant of the AR-15 in the picture, cycles around 950 rounds per minute, so we'll peg the AR's cyclic rate somewhere around there. A full scale M14 fires around 800 rounds per minute on fully automatic, again, military grade. Since the Mini 14 is a scaled down M1A (the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14) and fires the same round as the AR, it should theoretically have a slightly higher cyclic rate. Either way, we'll just use the M4's cyclic rate, and the M14's cyclic rate to make this easy. Both weapons fire at a faster rate than is humanly possible to pull the trigger. So essentially, both weapons fire as fast as the operator can pull the trigger.
#757 to #644 - volleys
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(02/02/2013) [-]
The M4A1 is not the same as the AR-15. The AR-15 is the semi-auto version, so the fire rate is non existent, it is "how fast you can pull the trigger". But, yes if we were talking about the military versions then yes your point is correct. Personally though I don't care about how fast it shoots, I want to hit my intended target. It is much harder to hit firing in full auto, you may hit something just not as often as aiming.
#760 to #757 - admiralshepard
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(02/02/2013) [-]
I didn't say they're the same thing. However, the way in which they operate is nearly identical, barring the fact that the AR lacks a select fire trigger group. Osskari was making the claim that the "maximum" rate of fire on an AR-15 is higher than that of a Mini 14. I used the fully automatic equivalents as examples to demonstrate the maximum cyclic rate of the design, not the weapons themselves. My conclusion was that both designs are capable of a rate of fire that cannot be reproduced with a human trigger finger. Therefore, whatever edge one design has over the other is completely nullified, because the rate of fire is only limited by how fast the shooter can pull the trigger. Lastly, as someone who's qualified on the M16 (sharpshooter, nothing special like expert or hawk-eye) I agree with you wholeheartedly that fully automatic *three-round burst in my case* is useless when trying to lay down accurate fire.
#662 to #644 - osskari
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(02/01/2013) [-]
you can also buy a slide fire stock for the ar-15 wich makes it (kinda) ful-auto. then it can shoot about 900 rpm
#758 to #662 - volleys
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(02/02/2013) [-]
It isn't the same. Slide fire stocks create a huge problem with accuracy.