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#522 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
No one needs guns.   
Its just a fact, Amerifags need to stop crying about this and realise guns aren't an essential part of living.
No one needs guns.
Its just a fact, Amerifags need to stop crying about this and realise guns aren't an essential part of living.
User avatar #739 to #522 - DrBobsPatient (02/01/2013) [-]
it's not just the fact of owning a gun, it's the fact that it infringes our constitutional right to own a gun. I don't own one, but am pro gun when it comes to this debate.
#629 to #522 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
you started a huge *********
#623 to #522 - tankthefrank (02/01/2013) [-]
Until someone is trying to kill you, then its essential to living.

Its easy to say what you said if you're from a nice all white suburban neighborhood, but not everyone is, some people live in the inner cities (coincidentally the cities have the strictest gun laws, yet the highest rate of violence)
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videos related, where I'm from, and why I want to own firearms.

Then it comes to the second amendment, Its not so you can go duck hunting on a saturday, it so the government is terrified of the people, and not the other way around, because when the people are scared of the government, very very very bad things happen, and if you dont think that the American government would oppress its citizens, see executive order 9066
And yes I do want a massive arsenal of weapons to defend my rights.

also refer to the links to compare the violent crime rates of the United States and the Soviet Kingdom, erm the United Kingdom. Remember that a rate is the percentage and not the total number of people.
www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
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you will find that the violent crime rate in England and Wales is 3.5 times larger than the US, or you could watch this video if you dont want to do the work.
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tl;dr: get you head out of Piers Morgan's ass and actually do some research to get credible information
User avatar #631 to #623 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
I live in a city. Never needed to defend myself.
second amendment is a billion years old. Keep up with modern times.
And violence is high, I agree, but I blame the economy, this education system and slack boarder control. yes you can blame the same things on your gun violence. but you don't need them. since when will your government turn on its people?
User avatar #549 to #522 - collegedood (02/01/2013) [-]
SECOND AMENDMENT! SECOND AMENDMENT! IF I WANT A GUN I DESERVE THE OPTION TO HAVE ONE!
User avatar #553 to #549 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Please explain what the second amendment is.
I've heard it a billion times and don't know what it is.
#567 to #553 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Essentially owing to American's fear of Government (while being very proud of democracy at the same time for some reason) and multiple lawsuits it came to mean that everyone who wanted a gun could have one. This allows for any ******* short of any mental capacity to get a gun and shoot up a school.
User avatar #560 to #553 - collegedood (02/01/2013) [-]
when the american constitution was written it introduced the bill of rights saying "it is agreed people cant do this and the government cant do that". the second right (amendment) is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." the "the right to bear Arms" part means the government cant legally outlaw guns.

the amendment was made 200+ with the idea that if the american government became tyrannous, the common people could fight back.
User avatar #562 to #560 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
>2013
>200 year old law is still in force
User avatar #675 to #562 - collegedood (02/01/2013) [-]
they tried to make the amendments as timeless as possible. but i do believe it is out of date since automatic rifles are completely different than muskets
#590 to #562 - oedad (02/01/2013) [-]
The brits have 500 year old laws still in force
User avatar #598 to #590 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Yeah, things like treason = beheading in public.
Who wants to kill the royal family?
Who beheads people in public these days?
Compared to the right to own a gun then misusing them and innocent people getting killed.
#531 to #522 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
It's the principle, don't need them but want to keep them.
User avatar #538 to #531 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
But why?
They have no sentimental value. its a tool. Tools don't have sentimental value.
Why would you want to keep them?
#545 to #538 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
A lot of things don't have sentimental value, yet people still buy them and use them. They are safe if used correctly, and most of all they are fun.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmOGVANph5o&list=UUEPTp5WMAzjh9mOrKUwRLmQ&index=6
User avatar #551 to #545 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
And I don't mean using fully auto weapons for hunting. I structured that sentence wrong.
User avatar #550 to #545 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
This man is American, which means his entire arsenal is obtainable by the american people. Why the **** do you need these kind of guns? I understand for hunting or what ever if you live in the middle of no where. but fully automatic assault rifles? If you want to use these things go join the army.
#565 to #550 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
I agree, average Americans do not need these kinds of weapons and high powered assault rifles are not needed. I live in Pennsylvania, and I take part of deer season, I only need one shot.

Although your first statement inclines we take all guns away because they are not needed. Well it is a sense of pride, would you like something that was entitled to you taken away?
User avatar #558 to #550 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Collectors,its different,its cool **** ,theyre fun to shoot,and in all honesty I would rather hunt a wild hog with an AR-15 than a bolt action. Those ******* can take a hit or two and keep coming.

Personally,I want to start a collection of WW2 era guns. Many of those might be automatic. I have my grandfathers M1 Paratroopers Carbine(with original folding stock and no I wont sell it) and they want to take guns like that away from us. Its history. In my state,I cant use that gun even at a range anymore because I only have 2 15 rd and 1 30rd mags for it. In my state,they even were talking about doing a full on gun confiscation with the NY Safe Law.

So yes,its a touchy issue,and we really dont want to be a police state. Gun Control is a very emotional issue with lots of misinformation. The reality is theres not that much gun violence(and if there is,its actually handguns,see Sandy Creek) and violence has been steadily decreasing overall in the US. But where the violence does occur,sadly is in urban areas. Those areas.tend to be poor,or have some sort of other social issue that is allowing the violence in general to occur,from drugs,to gangs,it could be anything really.
User avatar #561 to #558 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Want to see a gun collection? Go to a museum.
Want to shoot a gun? Go to a range and use what they have there.
Is this really an argument? Its ridiculous.
#574 to #561 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
1-Perhaps one would rather have their own,and have something they can hand down. My rifle was handed down to me,and my rifle will be handled down to my son when hes old enough. Some museums dont even have real guns,some are knock offs,fakes,or chinese trash. Some might not even be real guns in the first place. I want to see a real gun,not a wax copy.

2-Not all gun ranges will have what I want to shoot. Some of the smaller ranges are BYOS. Bring your own stuff. Guns and ammo included. Guns are fun to shoot,varaity is the spice of life. Also,most AR style platforms are quite comfortable to shoot vs the standard long stock. Also, it isnt that hard to convert that Ruger Mini 14 to an AR style.

Guns arent scary,people are scary, Guns are a tool,or a work of art in some cases,theres some beautiful flintlock guns that I would love to own,but I could never afford due to their rarity and cost.

http://www.ogrank. com/content/view/698/59/
http://www.youtube. com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooa98FHuaU0

Thanks to the stupid tinyurl spammer asshats I hope the links mostly work if not ill repost them.

Pic related. Its a Ruger Mini 14. Looks scary to some people. Should be taken away. People cant handle this kind of stuff. But its just a Ruger Mini 14.
User avatar #585 to #574 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
To be honest, I don't care for any of the technical stuff, so don't bother.
And yes, I agree that the old Blunderbuss styled guns from the old days look cool, but that doesn't mean I feel the urge to own one.
Like I said in another reply, You've been brought up in a place where guns are deemed acceptable. If you don't live in the us (UK) you wouldn't see the attraction towards guns because they're they're just a catalyst for trouble.
User avatar #570 to #561 - almostlover ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
See the issue you keep bring up is fully automatic firearms. Not a lot of americans own full autos because of the difficulty in obtaining them. This picture is 100% true, why ban an AR-15 style gun but not the other? They both do they same thing, civilian versions are all semi-auto (1 trigger pull 1 bullet). People dont always enjoy going to a museum to see a collection. They want to be able to own hold and tend for the gun collection them selves. Americans do go to the range to shoot guns, but not every american that likes to shoot can afford a gun to rent at a range because they charge for ammo and the use of it. Also on that point not every gun range has firearms to rent to people.
User avatar #582 to #570 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
I think the issue is theres so much misinformation about guns. With that stupid cunt in the government who hates guns(yet has a CCW permit and armed guards) wants to ban them,yet knows so little about them.

People need to become educated in gun control and guns. A perfect way to give veterans jobs. Let them teach people about guns and gun safety. My rifle wont jump out of the safe and start killing people. My rifle wont load itself will it? I have to put the magazine in it and load it and I have to pull the trigger.

People dont understand that guns are an inanimate object. Like the painters paintbrushes. The brush is a tool to make art. Some of it may not be pretty,some of it may be pretty. But you cant fault the brush for the painters lack of skills.

A gun is a tool,a tool that can feed my family,defend myself and my country. No more,no less. We dont blame cars for drunk drivers(a ****** argument but it applies)

User avatar #576 to #570 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
I've never had the urge to fire a gun, or own any, let alone an entire collection.
It's only because you've been brought up in a society where guns are acceptable you feel the need to fight for them.
If you live this side of the pond you'd see my point exactly.
User avatar #600 to #576 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
If I were looking at all the statistics I would see that people in the UK tend to get stabbed versus shot.

The most common method of killing continues to be by sharp instrument, with 232 victims killed in this way in 2010/11, compared with 210 in 2009/10.

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Why dont we ban knives? And make everyone use safety knives?

See what I mean? If someone wants to kill someone it dont matter how they do it,theyre gonna do it regardless. Guns,or not.
User avatar #608 to #600 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
No because a man with a knife cant go into a school and kill people like a man with gun.
Also a knife is a necessary tool for every day stuff, which a gun isn't. Don't even argue that, it's just a fact.
people in the UK can live just fine without a gun. Why can't you?
User avatar #587 to #576 - almostlover ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Now your assuming that because of the way i was raised i dont see both ends? I do see both ends. I agree with the 10 rd magazine thing. But that doesnt mean i agree with having guns banned for absolutely no reason.The whole sandy hook thing was done with a hand gun. No assault rifle of any kind was used(to my knowledge). Now just because you dont like firearms nor wish to won shoot or partake in a fun recreational sport doesnt mean you should ruin it for the people who do like to collect, do like to shoot, do like to own firearms.
User avatar #595 to #587 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
I didnt say that, I said you live in a society where they're acceptable, not a society where you're completely ignorant.
If you want to collect them, then take the firing mechanism out.
If you want to shoot them, go to a range and shoot when they own there.
Or to be really over the top, take the firing mechanism's out of the collection, give them to the gun range where they have some bank to store the mechanisms, when you want to use them, go to the range, assemble your gun with your own mechanism (so you're not reusing someone else's) then when your done, take the mechanism out and take the gun home.
is that not reasonable?
User avatar #613 to #595 - almostlover ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
No it's not reasonable. To set up a bank for firing mechanisms that would take a lot of tax payer money and would make it all a big hassle when there really doesnt need to be. If you take the firing mechanism out of a firearm even in a collection it can deface the value. This gun ban is similar to homosexuals aloud to get married. They dont harm anyone, and yet there are the bad ones who give homosexuals bad names just as there are gun owners who give bad names to the good gun owners
User avatar #624 to #613 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Some homosexuals giving other homosexuals a bad name. HAHAHA oh really, that's hilarious, what do they do? prance around and act fabulous?
and a waste of tax payers money? there are talks of armed guards at every school. where's that money going to come from then?
#632 to #624 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
How about this idea for you.   
   
Why not give all those homeless veterans a job by having them stand guard. Have them teach guns and gun safety.
How about this idea for you.

Why not give all those homeless veterans a job by having them stand guard. Have them teach guns and gun safety.
User avatar #641 to #632 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Why would a homeless veteran want to guard a school.
Why is a veteran homeless in the first place?
Do you not treat your hero's with respect?
Why not eliminate the guns then you can use that free time teaching maths and science instead of gun safety.
#654 to #641 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Because these veterans cant get jobs anymore because nobody wants to hire them.   
   
It gives them a job,something to do,and something that they can look forward to.   
   
Treating them with respect? I know many veterans who love teaching the proper safety from guns(Ive learned from vets)   
   
Who said anything about taking away from math and science? You arent. You can easily add to a day with a yearly course that teaches gun safety.
Because these veterans cant get jobs anymore because nobody wants to hire them.

It gives them a job,something to do,and something that they can look forward to.

Treating them with respect? I know many veterans who love teaching the proper safety from guns(Ive learned from vets)

Who said anything about taking away from math and science? You arent. You can easily add to a day with a yearly course that teaches gun safety.
User avatar #658 to #654 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Surely a veteran should have a pension good enough to retire with, without having to worry.
Any why take the time learning about guns which aren't even needed when you can spend more time learning maths and science. You know, the stuff that is necessary and gets people jobs.
User avatar #663 to #658 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Actually,not always. If you have an ex,for example with children,the pension would go to that.

Learning about something that exists and is in our society is something that should happen. Be optional yes,but a yearly course.

We will still be teaching math and science. How would we be taking away from those? Explain to me that. Your arguments lack any substance.
User avatar #671 to #663 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Before you start screaming MUH GUNS. You don't need them. Its just a fact.
and you only have so many hours in the day to teach children. Why use that time to teach them about something that isn't necessary?
it's like teaching them how to make fire by rubbing stick together.
and i shan't be replying any more, I have a train to catch.
#676 to #671 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
random .gif to throw at you just to piss you off.   
   
Actually,an optional yearly course is perfectly acceptable. Because many people own guns. And having the safety from both parents/family/friends AND having a society teaching safe use you can hopefully help reduce gun issues(such as accidental firing)
random .gif to throw at you just to piss you off.

Actually,an optional yearly course is perfectly acceptable. Because many people own guns. And having the safety from both parents/family/friends AND having a society teaching safe use you can hopefully help reduce gun issues(such as accidental firing)
User avatar #607 to #595 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
If you take the firing pin out of it and safe it,thats fine(its what I do) But if you disable it entirely,its worthless. Welded,locked up,etc kills any value in them. Functional examples are what sells. Non functionals sell for parts value most often.

Most people have their guns safely put away. I do not store my gun loaded,or with the firing pin in it. I do not store my ammo in the open of the gun locker(its in its own firebox locked up with a different key) I even use a trigger lock on mine to keep the neighbor happy.

Everyone I know here,does something similar. Only one person I know has his gun in the open,and thats because its an 1880 shotgun that has its pins removed and will never shoot again.
User avatar #611 to #607 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Ok, be sensible with me now.
Do you really need a gun. have you needed to use it within the past week?
#729 to #611 - tankthefrank (02/01/2013) [-]
Do you really need a condom. have you used one in the past week?

Its about having and not needing, rather than needing and not having.
User avatar #627 to #611 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
When you have people breaking into homes and stealing just one town over? Yes. Its like a condom,I would rather have it and not need it,then need it and not have it. When I know theres going to be local wildlife when Im out and about driving up north and something happens and I break down? Yes I would rather have it.

I dont think a knife is going to work that well against someone who could have a gun,or for all intents and purposes has the intent to kill you. I dont think a knife would work that well against a feral animal whos every intent is eating you.

When you have a gun,your intent is to kill something. Be a target,or a living thing.

Yes,theres some times where having a gun is a requirement.
User avatar #637 to #627 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
You don't need a gun. You just said it yourself.
Stop arguing for something you don't need.
Its like a child complaining because his xbox has been taken away from him.
The child doesn't need the xbox, it's just there for entertainment. Go find something else to entertain yourself with.
#646 to #637 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
You are just running around in circles and have yet to counter my arguments.   
   
Why is violence on the decrease(for the past 20 years) and yet gun violence is low(and hardly ever done with AR style rifles,most often with pistol caliber weapons) and said violence is in the suburbs? Why is that?   
   
Oh,and if you don't need guns,why do your police's higher ranking officers carry guns? You shouldn't need to.    
   
You are right,I don't always need my gun,but I would rather have my gun,and not need it. Because if I need it and its not there,well,I guess I'm 						******					.   
   
Enjoy stabbing 						****					 I guess.
You are just running around in circles and have yet to counter my arguments.

Why is violence on the decrease(for the past 20 years) and yet gun violence is low(and hardly ever done with AR style rifles,most often with pistol caliber weapons) and said violence is in the suburbs? Why is that?

Oh,and if you don't need guns,why do your police's higher ranking officers carry guns? You shouldn't need to.

You are right,I don't always need my gun,but I would rather have my gun,and not need it. Because if I need it and its not there,well,I guess I'm ****** .

Enjoy stabbing **** I guess.
User avatar #656 to #646 - therealjc (02/01/2013) [-]
Because a pistol is easier to conceal.
Armed police officers have guns so we don't have to.
If no one has guns, who's going to rob you then?
There are your answers.
#728 to #656 - tankthefrank (02/01/2013) [-]
I think for some reason you seem to believe that making these firearms illegal will vaporize them into thin air simultaneously. The truth is when you make it against the law to own them, you take them away from the law-abiding but not from the law-breakers

see >drugs
#668 to #656 - thamuz ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Wow. Either you are trolling,or you are without a doubt the most retarded limey bastard I have had the displeasure of dealing with.   
   
I posted data,you have nothing to counter that. Whos going to rob me? How about the knife wielding delinquent whos going to stab me if I don't give him his crack money?   
   
That was with out a doubt,the worst comment you have posted.
Wow. Either you are trolling,or you are without a doubt the most retarded limey bastard I have had the displeasure of dealing with.

I posted data,you have nothing to counter that. Whos going to rob me? How about the knife wielding delinquent whos going to stab me if I don't give him his crack money?

That was with out a doubt,the worst comment you have posted.
User avatar #618 to #611 - almostlover ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
For recreational uses yes. Its enjoyable for a lot of people like football is to a football player.
User avatar #527 to #522 - falgabird (02/01/2013) [-]
Im Amurican and i agree with you!
#602 to #527 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
Oh look, an "Amurican" that agrees with a European! He must be a blue fish living in a red fish pond.
User avatar #603 to #602 - falgabird (02/01/2013) [-]
Was supposed to be a joke... i agree not a funny one.
#619 to #603 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
Don't beat yourself up, you tried.
You failed.
But you learned what not to do next time.
User avatar #621 to #619 - falgabird (02/01/2013) [-]
Be amurican?
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