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#317 - cabbagemayhem (01/28/2013) [-]
Analyze this Sandy Hook conspiracy theory, FJ. I usually click past this stuff, but the points here are too strong and raise serious questions. Be critical of all statements, and roll your eyes at the stereotypical conspiracy theory cliches. I checked some of the sources, and there are indeed questions do need to be answered before the official story can be believed.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EwIvy1GXRU
#363 to #317 - thebritishguy (01/28/2013) [-]
can someone just give me the key points and ideas of this documentary please
can someone just give me the key points and ideas of this documentary please
#365 to #363 - cabbagemayhem (01/28/2013) [-]
No evidence has been released to the public to prove anything went down the way they said it went down. Not even the parents saw their dead children, no records of dead children at the hospital, no sign or word from the "surviving child", and a sketchy story about Adam Lanza.
#366 to #365 - thebritishguy (01/28/2013) [-]
cheers
cheers
User avatar #332 to #317 - oux (01/28/2013) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=snViuRNT5Jk

Stil I find conspiracy theories like this increadibly silly, they're always taking things out of context. Just look at the background of stuff and try and understand it.
#340 to #332 - cabbagemayhem (01/28/2013) [-]
Thank you, more like that. Unfortunately, that only covers some of the lesser points. I posted the link because it raises good questions about the event. If these can be settled, I would be satisfied:

1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.
2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.)
3) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.
4) Why is no one allowed back in the school?
5) Why is the school scheduled to be demolished?
6) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?
7) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night?
8) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?
9) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?
10) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"?

If there is no conspiracy, why do the authorities claim exclusive rights to the knowledge and information about the event?
#348 to #340 - frijoles (01/28/2013) [-]
1. what do you want? The bodies to be delivered to your house to personally inspect?
2.Oh, how many parents do you know personally that had children die that haven't seen their children.
3.Oh, you have the paperwork stating who was admitted into the hospitals that day??? cool can I see them?
4. Cuz it is a crime scene, thats kind of how crime scenes work.
5.Are you gonna tell a five year old child that he has to go back to the place that will cause him to have nightmares for the rest of his natural life?
6. They may have been found and turned out to have nothing to do with the crimes.( My windshield has a very bad crack in it...doesnt mean i was involved in a shooting)
7.I doubt that the police used the word rotting, and as facts come to light sometimes it becomes no longer necessary to analyze the evidence in the same way you may have previously thought.
8.It has always been customary to withhold facts that pertain to ongoinmg investigations.
9.see #8. Also due to the graphic nature of the events, the videos will probably never be released for the public to see, besides you have probably never complained about not getting to see video of the millions of crimes that happened before Sandy Hook.
10. Now you are talking about modern reporting....not something that is very reliable in any case...



And as for the video I am not going to watch a single second past the first minute after the police officer says that misinformation is being posted on social media sites and the graphic overlay literaly says misinformation by Mainstream media. Too funny. That video is designed to scare you and nothing more. The fact that they use that fear mongering 1950's interview for an intro is silly.
#362 to #348 - cabbagemayhem (01/28/2013) [-]
Calm down. We're not talking about the video anymore.

1. I want a picture, a reliable testimony, or any kind of evidence. Why is that so hard to provide?
2. I never met a person that had a child die and haven't seen them, that's why it's odd that the parent's at Sandy Hook weren't allowed to see them.
3. No, I don't have the paperwork, but I heard the police recording. The burden of proof lies on the people making the claim that they died. Where is any proof? And, do you have to groan on your way to get it about how people should just take their word for it?
4. For a time, yes, but at some point things need to be exposed to public scrutiny.
5. It's an expensive structure to destroy, and could be remodeled for other uses. If it goes down without having been analysed, how can I be satisfied?
6. Explanation accepted.
7. Sorry, the point of this one was how they reportedly disposed of the bodies. They reportedly burned the bodies and had closed-casket funerals. Again, the parents never saw their children.
8. I understand that, but has not enough time passed? If not, then the information needs to be released and analysed before the public rushes into an emotional decision about the tragedy. Even if it only changed the facts a little.
9. The videos for something of such significance should be released to individuals over 18 for analysis and education. Regardless, any evidence would be nice. I haven't stepped up to complain about releasing information on other crimes because they had little impact on me. I expect other would, though, they do deserve it.
10. I agree.

At this point, disregard the video. I find it ridiculous, as well. These questions, though, I think merit an answer.
#372 to #362 - frijoles (01/28/2013) [-]
10. moot.

#371 to #362 - frijoles (01/28/2013) [-]
1.reliable testimony is the police radio chatter that claimed three individuals were transported too the hospital with two dead on arrival. (dead children)

3. The trauma rooms were locked down to prepare..they hoped they would get a chance to save them but that chance never came.

2. I have still not seen any evidence that says the families did NOT get a chance to identify the bodies.

4. It is not your job as a public to scrutinize a crime scene, it is the detectives's jobs. we as a public speculate and the media will be always looking for a conspiracy. If they opened the doors of the school for the public to analyze, "we" would see "inconsistant" blood spatter here, and "suspicious" bullet holes there. we arent professionals. I certainly dont want anybody coming to tell me how to do my job when they havent worked it a day in their lives. Same principal applies here. you're just not gonna win on this one.

5. This is the choice of the comunity...And I have no evidence as to the size age or worth of the building. Maybe it is worth rebuilding to accomodate future, larger generations in the community. Maybe the public just overwhelmingly wants to do away with the bad memories. Maybe it's both and they get to knock out two birds with one stone.

6. Moot

7. "repotedly" and see #2

8. see #4 and if the public rushes to an emotional decision that is their own fault. It is the detective's job to get the facts, not quench the public's curiosities. The guns could have been found anywhere. If they were going to fabricate a story this would actually be one of the easiest parts to lie about. I think the fact that they are keeping this secret kind of lends to the fact that there is no conspiracy.

9. NO. videos like this are almost never released unless someone illegaly leaks them. IF there are videos they are property of the school district and copies are in possesion of the PD. Neither entity has any obligation or incentive to me or you to release them.
User avatar #381 to #371 - thatguywhohasbacon (01/28/2013) [-]
I agree somewhat, number 2 is what is bothering me about your statement: You can't convict a murderer on the grounds that you can't prove they DIDN'T do it, you have to prove they did. Same applies here, prove they did see their dead children and it works, but you can't prove they did so it can be safely assumed they didn't.
#376 to #371 - cabbagemayhem (01/28/2013) [-]
1. That only accounts for two children, and doesn't explain #2.
2. www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2087386/pg1
www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12/18/lauren-rousseau-newtown-shooting-sandy-hook-canada_n_2324787.html
3. That's plausible.
4. In this case, it is, because it involves us greatly. If the public does not have access to the information, then the public are merely sheep of whatever they want to tell us. That is not the American way, not the way of our founding fathers, and if that's how you want to live then you deserve to be lied to, but I don't so please keep your highly-opinionated submissive ideologies to yourself. Thank you. I believe the American people have a right to know, and frankly, I don't care if it inconveniences you that a few people might misinterpret what they see.
5. That's possible, but like I said, if it is destroyed without ever being seen, then they are most probably concealing information.
7. The reports appear to be accurate, and need to be addressed.
8. This isn't about curiosities, but essential information concerning the events that transpired. I don't think you appreciate the importance of evidence and reliable information in public affairs.
9. If no evidence is released to support an outlandish claim, do not knock on my door and ask me to believe them. Good day, sir.

“The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men” Plato
#392 to #376 - frijoles (01/29/2013) [-]
5. students have seen it and they have given statements. teachers have seen it and they too have given statements. Also here is the latest news on what to do with the school. www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/13/memorial-or-demolition-newtown-weighs-fate-sandy-hook-elementary-after-massacre/

but look bottom line is that I debunked a few of your theories just using common sense. But you choose to ask for evidence that simply cant be obtained unless you steal it from evidence or exhume bodies. That's just simply not feasible. Soldier are brought home from war in closed caskets everyday, are you going to claim that those soldiers are living in a secret facility run by the government as well? More truth will probably come to light in the future but remember, it really hasn't been that long. The getting facts doesnt take to long it's the puzzling together those pieces that can take time. It has barely been longer than a month so relax. And on top of everything, the fact that there were other suspects at one time and it was originally thought to be Ryan instead of Adam attests to the fact that sometimes mistakes are made. That doesnt make the media and police conspirators or liars, it simply means they got it wrong. How would you feel if your math teacher called you a liar every time you got a question wrong?
#394 to #392 - cabbagemayhem (01/29/2013) [-]
Thanks for the link.
Don't get stuck on the video, I'm not jumping to those conclusions or calling anyone liars, yet. I am only upset about the lack of information on the event. I have only two main quarrels, anymore:
1. Why is there no reasonable evidence that children are actually dead? Our hearts are broken for something no one seems to have seen (who can be questioned).
2. How did Adam Lanza die. Why have I heard reports he was shot in the face 3 times, and no photos to put that to rest.

Of the 8 statements I've seen published^[1]^, none report seeing the shooter or any dead children. If the reporters did their jobs, there would be no room for conspiracy theories, let alone valid questions. You'd think they'd get it right by now, being one of the most politically significant events of our times. I can be patient, just so long as government regulations can, too.

They also messed up Osama Bin Laden. They maintain exclusive rights to all evidence he died, even to the point of saying they can't find the pictures^[2]^. Sandy Hook is worse though because it could cost us more than a little stress.

References:
1. theweek.com/article/index/237882/massacre-in-connecticut-7-disturbing-eyewitness-accounts
2. digitaljournal.com/article/323364
#360 to #321 - maid (01/28/2013) [-]
Whats going on, indeed.
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