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#148 - wheresthefudge
Reply +37
(01/27/2013) [-]
mfw people use the term 'liberal' wrong.
mfw people use the term 'liberal' wrong.
#185 to #148 - anon
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(01/27/2013) [-]
Basically, Democrats were liberal for a long period (opposing federal powers and tariffs), but FDR got the country to switch its understanding of liberal and conservative. When running for office the first time, he actually criticized the Republican conservative Hoover for overspending, but after taking power he changed his goal to spending loads more to end the Great Depression (shockingly, it didn't end until he died over a decade later). However, the whole time he called himself a liberal and his opponents conservative, and everybody was willing to debate him on his own terms. We've been discussing politics in backwards terms ever since, much to Europe's chagrin.
#160 to #148 - anon
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(01/27/2013) [-]
In the American context it is different from elsewhere. I understand your confusion.
#150 to #148 - datuser
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(01/27/2013) [-]
Then how is it really used?
#170 to #150 - wheresthefudge
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(01/27/2013) [-]
The idea of classical liberalism is much closer to what we'd call libertarianism now.   
There's also the idea of the political spectrum, where 'liberal' and 'conservative' on either extreme of the spectrum. By this way of thinking, a liberal want to have more freedoms, and a conservative wants to keep things the way they are. The far extremes (radical, reactionary) take these and push them further (a radical wants everything to be legal, a reactionary wants to go back to the laws of some point in the past).   
Regardless, neither of these definitions has a liberal wanting to ban anything.   
   
The problem comes when you try to say that the American Democrats are liberals and the American Republicans are conservatives. Each party is liberal in some ways and conservative in others. Even saying that one or the other is for 'small government' doesn't work, since each has policies that favor small government, and others which favor large government.   
That was a very long reply, and thus, I don't have an adequate reaction gif to sum the whole thing up (not, at least, without seeming like a pretentious asshat); so please enjoy this magical helicopter.
The idea of classical liberalism is much closer to what we'd call libertarianism now.
There's also the idea of the political spectrum, where 'liberal' and 'conservative' on either extreme of the spectrum. By this way of thinking, a liberal want to have more freedoms, and a conservative wants to keep things the way they are. The far extremes (radical, reactionary) take these and push them further (a radical wants everything to be legal, a reactionary wants to go back to the laws of some point in the past).
Regardless, neither of these definitions has a liberal wanting to ban anything.

The problem comes when you try to say that the American Democrats are liberals and the American Republicans are conservatives. Each party is liberal in some ways and conservative in others. Even saying that one or the other is for 'small government' doesn't work, since each has policies that favor small government, and others which favor large government.
That was a very long reply, and thus, I don't have an adequate reaction gif to sum the whole thing up (not, at least, without seeming like a pretentious asshat); so please enjoy this magical helicopter.
#186 to #170 - anon
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(01/27/2013) [-]
mfw clever people on funnyjunk
#249 to #186 - wheresthefudge
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(01/27/2013) [-]
mfw no face
mfw no face
#177 to #170 - laserkirby
Reply +1
(01/27/2013) [-]
Thanks man, cleared some things up.
#166 to #150 - anon
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(01/27/2013) [-]
Good read about it. Or if you are too lazy just think of american liberalism as british conservatism. They are not the same but to make it simple for you they are the same enough. they believe in traditional right wing laissez faire society. Whereas every where else liberalism is generally about being a free, equal and progressive society.
#162 to #150 - anon
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(01/27/2013) [-]
Differently.