Learning curves of popular games

Line Test FTW

maybe it is a parametric equations

But by the Implicit Function Theorem, locally it could be a function.

I have played EVE Online for a while, it isn't that hard...
(and no, I'm not saying wow is hard either, EVE is still harder than that)

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Join a corp part of a major alliance, go to contested null sec or C5 WH, then come back and say it's easy.

I'm not saying it's easy, but not particularly hard either

Meh, maybe you're right. I'm not much of an online gamer, but I got into EVE a little. I never found it to be all that easy (pvp-wise at least).

... then again, maybe I suck.

If you are new to a game, every game will pvp wise be ridiculously hard. You'll always play with people who got years of experience in playing.

^ Dis niqqa, gets it.

Thank you sir for making this clear to people. +1

If you think SC is a simple game you are so lost

i have one problem with this...
the line should be much more vertical, anyways thumb

It changes based on Korean encounters

ive gotten into diamond and i cant even 4 gate properly

hes right

Well 4 gate is basically dead now, no more ramp warp in, its basically a free win if you play against a 4 gate, only way to lose it is if you play greedy and don't get sentries out in time to FF

i dont play anymore, when i ws playing 4 gates were efficient

Back when 4 gate was still viable it would get crushed by Terran air. Heart of the Swarm Protoss got some nice air unit additions, however, making air Terran harder, but still probably the best option.

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i got this explained to me by a japanese dude i know who plays WAY too much starcraft

US gold = europe bronze
europe gold = asia bronze

(inb4 flamewar eu/us)

^This guy know's what hes talking about, fucking most complex game I've ever seen in my years of existence.

i literally had to write down the start up sequence from button to button so i would know how to just start the goddamn plane, i think it was like 50 steps. and that's just getting the goddamn thing off the ground. i'm still trying to figure out how to use all the weapons system's.

I love the sounds of APU startups in jets.

You've never played DCS: Black Shark I take it. It's like A-10C, but with a helicopter.

I was just about to say that. Also, in IL-2 Sturmovik, getting a bomber off the ground was a pain in the ass, if I remember correctly

Do you play EVE?

stopped a while ago, gallente pilot pvp, cant remember sp maybe 40million. fuilly trained up to a kronos. wbu?

Just got in a tengu, 6.5million sp going to be training for a capital ship next after i get some money from ratting and i decide which one i actually want to have, im thinking chimera but im not too sure, though, the moros is tempting :) but many of my corp mates dont really have a large plethora of info on dreadnoughts, most are jf and carrier pilots...

got to have a good corp to support such an asset. dont want them getting it killed ye know. you in 0.0 yet?

Yeah im getting carrier jumped down to my null system this in the next week, and my alliance is full of people i have been playing with for a good 6 months, and we are friends with a few big alliances because of our BPO's for stations and well, since goons ruined a bunch of systems we're getting paid a few billion for stations, still working on the first one though, jeez do they need a lot of materials...

yeah but we leave that to the miners, the only involvement i ever had with industrials was from being in their escorts or mining protection. enjoy. Damm you make me miss the game now :(

The only involvement i have with anything industrial is my noctis so i can salvage sites when i clear them :) and well the 15 or so miners in my alliance that swarm bs rats with like 30 drones and the bs is just taking the drones so they call me in and there is just a big cluster fuck of ships all bumping about in complete chaos because a single rat turned up at the belt...

And let us not forget Dark Souls xD

Here's a question. Has Funnyjunk ever had a large scale purpose Alliance for members?

I know Something awful has Goonswarm and Reddit I think has TEST.
I've been on eve for about a month or so and haven't found a solid corp with a large alliance that I want to join.

I tend to avoid large alliances for the fact I dont realy need to deal with the political drama.

Im in a fairly small alliance 14 corps make up ours.

Im currently in a new alliance and we are in nulli's space and have taken 2 systems already, to bad the rent is going to be a bitch to get every month, its something like 5-6 billion isk :(

Hoope you guys can come up with that kind of cash,else it would be very sticky

Yeah, the ratting is good and our miners well...mine, so we just keep in the grove of things we can have the isk within a couple days, then its all ours for the taking.

Yeah we lost our hole,tower,everything last night apparently. Oh well. Shit happens.

Sheit man, what was the loss?

So far as far as I know,one Orca,One pod,and one ship hangar.

So FJ has never organized its own corps and alliances?

as far as I know theres only a few of us who play eve online.

pity...

too many people here think its too hard. (low IQ i guess)

If you don't find a good group of people to play with, the game will get extremely tiresome. I haven't managed to find a lively enough crowd to play with, so I am thinking of leaving the game, That or selling my soul to Goonswarm or getting back into Flying Dangerous again, they all seem to be bastards.

well i fly with TVP, just a bunch of carebears getting isk

What are they miners?

nah incursion runners (90% are alts though)

meh, I don't have a big enough ship yet for that.

Battleship, T2 tank, and meta 4 guns is minmal

well I guess I could afford it, Just dont have the skills yet

ahh

I was wanting to play EVE Online but then I heard that it was a monthly sub (not able to do so) and that you have to slave yourself to get into things, but after you get into a big...Alliance? The game basically becomes free. Could someone explain that to me? (Do they sell the in-game money and give you some or...?

1)yes and no. Theres ways you cna make it free for you(get good skills,and make lots of money,and you can buy your game time in game,right now,in my region,1 PLEX[timecard about 14.99 in USD] runs about 550M-660 million. While,it is a lot of money,you can easily make that in a few weeks with decent skills while mining or doing other things.

In eve,you are a Demigod. Immortal to most people. When you die,you are given a new life in a new body. You lose whatever you had on you,so cargo,ship,ammo,items to fit the ship with,are lost,unless you can claim them before the guy who killed you takes them.

Your skills CAN take a hit but thats if you are a tardmonkey who doesnt update his clone. I have about 5 million skill points and my clone can hold 6.1 million skill points. As long as your current clone doesnt exceed your replacement clone,you wont lose skill points when you die.

And no Im not in a very large corp or a very large alliance.

Ohhh I see...wow thats nice being able to buy game time using in-game currency. Will see if one day I can try it out...

I just got in a tengu :3

I hate the Drake,so Ill probably hate the the Tengu.

Im working to a Loki.

The tengu is a hell of a lot different to the tengu, the tengu is just a machine when it comes to ratting, which is my favorite pass time on eve, especially when i'm in null, mining's all well and good to make a ton of money but in the end you still need to get up to a trade hub to make a lot of iskies. but hey, if you are a minmatar pilot then go ahead :)

I hear lots of love for the Tengu,and I have seen what they are capable of. But I just don't like missiles that much.

And the proteus looks like a space penis. Like 95% of Gallente ships

Yeah the proteus can tank really well, its just missiles are basically easy mode on eve ^^

Lol wait until you loses a 26B capital ship in dead space.

Well,I have about 1.6B in ships..Not one ship..I cant afford a Carrier yet.. My next project is an arty shield Loki.

You a PvPer?

On occasion. Right now Im building my core skills(and my industrial backing) so I can afford to pvp more. It took 5-6 ships to blow up my barge this morning. And that was just a Procurer.

I am a bomber jockey,I just havent had the money to afford a new bomber since I lost my old one to a sleeper scram

i found the person that has never lost a capital ship, doesn't know what DeadSpace is in eve(And if you lose a capital ship here, you should just kill yourself) ntry tho

Hek, well theres your problem!

I would rather go to Hek. I hate Jita..and Rens..and Amarr...I do like Tash Murkon..Nice and usually quiet there..

amarr's rather quiet, i use it as my home station

Am I thinking of the right Amarr? I know Im thinkin of the one major tradehub(bigger than Tash but not as big as Hek or Jita)

yeah, amarr the system (amarrian's homesystem) its the 2nd largest trade hub (because of how close it ts to jita)

I used to play EVE and I feel your pain.

Well,I got popped in WH space in my Procurer(best barge for the buck). Stupid me didnt make it unprobable. I should have done the ECCM/Warp Core Stab build I have. But I did kick the shit out of a hound before I blew up.

But I just cant believe it took a Hound,Rook,Proteus,Sabre and a Cynable to kill me. Go awesome resits! Bastards didnt even give me back my clone...

If you want crazy resists + tank, just look to the Navy Scorpion! 8 mids and a 5% per lvl to resists in Caldari BS

Trust in the rust baby. Im minmatar right now. I cant fly Caldari BS's yet. Im working to a Kitsune eventually.

Dat pricetag on the Navy Scorp..shes a sexy ship,but a very ugly price tag on her.

MFW I was reading this whole convo....

You are more than welcome to join us.

We can make you..immortal. As long as you are willing to pay the price.

Wut price?

Your Soul!

Your morals,and the will to do whatever it takes to win. It is all we ask. Oh,and of course a strict dose of common sense.

for the price of a navy scorp, its better get a rattlesnake if you want tank, they are holding steady at around 500mill +- and better still is you can easilly get a passive shield tank of over 2.5 K dps while putting out over 1K dps. only thing is that its a real skill intensive ship, your going to need maxed out or damn near maxed out drone skills to fly properly. another thing is if you need isk, incursions! HQ sites pay 31.5 mill a site and 7K LP average site in a good fleet is about 15 mins or so

The Typhoon is without a doubt,the *most* skill point intensive ship in the game(at least for its tier) You literally need almost all your skills at 5 just to fit it decently,and even more so to tank it well.

I <3 my Phoon,but shes a hanger bitch. The Tempest gets the workout.

only till the proposed changes they have in store for it, the phoon is going to be changed from a neut/torp/AC boat to have only one form of DPS

Just what we need. Another cruise missile hurling boat. People kept QQing that the Phoon is too hard to fly and now we get another Raven.

I dont think we need anymore Ravens.

Mostly fly Winmatar ships myself - they're so rewarding and there's no easy-mode button like Caldari have

The Caldari are just jealous because they dont know how guns work,so they just throw missiles at your face.

The Gallente..well,I dont really know what to think of their phallus shaped ships.

The Ammarians have a real thing for birds. Is it always thanksgiving over there?

We Winmatar took all their garbage,and a soldering iron and managed to patch enough of a flying scrapheap to get it to space. And kick ass with it.

which is going downwards....

PvP noobs. PvE has, and always will be easy. Faggots.

Clearly you never participated in PVE back in the older days.

I remember in vanilla rolling on my shaman. I joined my friend's raid for AQ 40 one night. We ACTUALLY got all the way to C'Thun after a few wipes. He was impossible. AND that's after they nerfed him.

Every since that dungeon queue shit. All it is is dungeon grind till endgame and that takes less than a month if you're good.

Me and all my friends played in BC and over the summer we all hopped on, me and another friend went on vacation for 6 days came back friends went from 40-70s including college classes and work.

You can get to 90 in about a week by following the right quests +The recruit a friend crap REALLY speeds it up. And it's not only the leveling. The raids now are easier than punching helpless blind puppies who have no feet. It's so easy and messed up you feel more bad than good. (Not even a hint of enjoyment...) And note. Someone must have been butt hurt and thumbed you down a few times, sorry mate.

I can't say I care much about thumbs. It's all good

Higher resolution for anyone that wants it as a background

love it

Link to original video? I can't remember what it's called.

sure

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CGn9GM30h9s

tyty

The Dota learning curve just ovrpowers all of these lol.

dota's not that hard to learn.
took me 1 day.

But I played Dota since it was in the Warcraft 3 era, I just stopped for awhile.

I'm not saying it's hard, y'know

I'd say it's more knowledge than skill based though, I mean you need skill to play it but when you know what the fucks going on it gets much easier!

And that is why the learning curve is so great. You actually have to see an enemy, pay attention to everything it could possibly throw at you, and plan ahead. You can't just breeze through the game just because you have "skill." You have to play it carefully and pay attention, and many people don't like it because of that.

But it was a curve for skill and not knowledge? I think the skill level goes down as you learn more (Not saying it's easy in any way) I personally love the fact it does this and that's why it's one of the best games ever

I suppose so, you win.

Not to say knowledge isn't a kind of skill you acquire from using other skills in the game, so you could also look at needing multiple lines!

I think you may actually be on to something here.

Dark Souls just goes straight up.

And then you hit Ornstein & Smough, and it does a backflip and a loop-the-loop before going off the charts.

Except Dark Souls is only "hard" in the sense that it limits the player, instead of actually being difficult for the average player like, say, ArmA 2 multiplayer.

your dad is a fucking wizard that's all

Read a guide. It helps.

How to Play Dwarf Fortress:

1. Generate World.
2. Quick Start.
3. Fail, die.
4. Generate World.
5. Prepare carefully for the journey.
6. Fail, die.
7. Generate World
8. Skim guide while world loads.
9. Prepare carefully for the journey.
10. Forget something, alt-tab.
11. Too late, fail, die.
12. Generate World
13. Pore over guide for an hour.
14. Prepare carefully for the journey, really fucking carefully.
15. Spend ~30 minutes picking a site.
16. Pause on embark, recon.
17. Dig base.
18. Fail, die.

Keep in mind that this is "fun".

finally someone realizes my pain

Why would whoever changed it put 'required' in front of gaming skill...?
That doesn't even make sense

eve-online....we meet again

Dark Souls isn't that hard once you know what you're doing.

I've been asking this question... but with no answer... which was is harder, Demon Souls or Dark Souls?

and then died a few times.... few being many.

I'm not saying that the game is a cakewalk or anything. But it's pretty easy when you figure out the patterns and learn where most of the enemies are. Kalameet in the Artorias of the Abyss DLC kicked my ass until I figured out his patterns, then I beat him without taking any damage.

and to learn all of that you need to die. Mimic op first time playing.

iv beat the game twice
never used ironflesh

Ironflesh got nerfed to death in a patch. It sucks mostly now. Though it can be helpful on 4 kings.

Me and a bro just 2 man every boss so its bin a chill game super fun though

Oh God Goonswarm...Still feel for them at the loss of their Diplo..

The vile rat guy?

Yeah him. He was one of the US Diplos in Libya that got killed in the attack. He was a real life friend of Mittani.

Damn that's a hard hit for them

Yeah the considering the last message Mittani ever received from him was "GUNFIRE"

fuck...