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#30 - Bloodgartham (01/25/2013) [-]
Let's see.... they messed up WW2 cause that was actually their fault. Except for that, they have mostly been a major power throughout modern history.
Let's see.... they messed up WW2 cause that was actually their fault. Except for that, they have mostly been a major power throughout modern history.
User avatar #31 to #30 - kforkayo (01/25/2013) [-]
we ****** up ww1 too...
#33 to #31 - Bloodgartham (01/25/2013) [-]
No. All the countries ****** up. They were all parts of it. They were all fighting for more power, but because Germany lost, and was the biggest threat on the other side, they put all the blame on them, to humiliate them and push them down.

And people seem to forget that Nazis wern't just "Germans". AND that all the other countries couldn't care less about Germany taking over countries, until it was hurting their interests in WW2. 90% of countries allready hated jews then, (maybe not so extreme as to do this). Even Norway (which I am from, so no I am no an over patriotic German), had a "No jews" rule before and during ww2.

User avatar #46 to #33 - stultum (01/25/2013) [-]
germany started a few wars. so we could safely say that they (the germans of that time) were at fault. remember that, to start a war, you need enough people to fight in it. examples: the french german war, that the germans won, and WW1.

WW2 is even worse. we like to say 'it were the nazi's', but while the idea was theirs, other germans went along with it. most often out of fear, true, but , as Erich Karstner said: 'if something bad happens, not only the ones who do it are responsible, but also the ones who do nothing to stop it.' and the nazi's were voted into office by the german people.

since the end of WW2, germany has proceeded to be a peacefull nation(s), and, since 1990, a powerfull one at that.

I am by no means a patriotic american, because I am german. I have lived in the Netherlands for most of my life, and have, in this way, seen both perspectives. (for as far as you can see things after they happened).
User avatar #35 to #33 - HUH (01/25/2013) [-]
This guy....this guy knows his ****
User avatar #32 to #31 - slaykingftw (01/25/2013) [-]
not really, you got ****** on ww1 you didn't **** up
User avatar #37 to #32 - kforkayo (01/25/2013) [-]
yes germany ****** up...the main reason for ww1 was william 2. who wanted to see his fleet do some stuff
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