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User avatar #41 - croski (01/25/2013) [-]
I-V-Vi-IV (as C-G-a-F) and VI-IV-I-V (as a-F-C-G)
(and it's actually the same thing, you take first two chords of the first one one put put them at the end and thus you get the second one)

Same progression everywhere...

I once had an idea, I wanted to find when was this progression first used, but never had the chance to investrigate...
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User avatar #124 to #69 - croski (01/25/2013) [-]
Well, it is partially correct.

The thing is, that type of composition was popular then, something like passacaglia or similar with an ostinato (in this case cello playing D-A-B-#F-G-D-G-A).
I don't like comparing it to modern pop cause you can listen to the whole song without getting bored, unlike todays stuff
User avatar #96 to #69 - omnomnominator ONLINE (01/25/2013) [-]
The reason it's used everywhere is because it serves its purpose perfectly, it has a strong cadence and so it feels complete, and often it fits the melody well, so I don't think it's right to hate it, I've used the progression in my music, and it's generally lifted the song and made it sound that much more epic when it's used in the right place.
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User avatar #122 to #97 - omnomnominator ONLINE (01/25/2013) [-]
Of course, I understand, however, in the genre of music I work in (Symphonic Metal), the main rule of choruses is that they must be catchy, which means that you often use very standard chord progressions.
User avatar #123 to #122 - croski (01/25/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but I can't appreciate that... It's like a painter that makes the same picture but with different colors over and over again...

Now I understand that you can't really use advanced harmony but than again you don't have to use the same thing... There are a lot of simple progressions and you can modify them to make them truly "yours", to make them special.
User avatar #125 to #123 - omnomnominator ONLINE (01/25/2013) [-]
Of course, and I often do that, I'm merely saying that refusing to use common chord progressions makes you restricted. Often that modification is needless, sometimes it's not. It's not painting the same picture, it's being willing to use colours you've used before.
User avatar #126 to #125 - croski (01/26/2013) [-]
We can agree to disagree...

My idea is that musicians, or to be precise composers of modern popular genre songs should explore and go beyond and not stick with "what is good" and "what people like".

I'm not saying that the progression above is bad, I'ts wonderful, but I'ts everywhere...

For instance I adore VI-III in majors or IV-bIV-II7-I also in majors, there are also old modes like dorian and so on... There are possibilities, explore them!
User avatar #129 to #126 - omnomnominator ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Of course, and explore them I do, however, as mentioned, sometimes things need to be brought back to basics. The only problem with experimenting is often people don't like it, and your ultimate goal as a professional musician is to sell and make money.
User avatar #135 to #129 - croski (01/27/2013) [-]
Yes well, although the money making process is sad but true, you can experiment for your own and when you like it publish it. The progression we are talking about isn't basic like you've mentioned, it's just a pain in the ass... (and people unfortunatly like it...)
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