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#36 - felixjarl ONLINE (01/23/2013) [-]
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Piracy is not a question of morals. It is a question of what that is the easiest and the cheapest.
User avatar #137 to #36 - thedarkhavok (01/23/2013) [-]
How did such a ******* moronic comment get any thumbs at all? The ease is at the detriment of morality.
#100 to #36 - tecnoturc (01/23/2013) [-]
laws are based on morals. took a class on it.
#74 to #36 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
With that same logic, it is okay to steal from people and businesses.  If you steal from a local business, or a person, is it not immoral?    
   
						*******					 logic, son
With that same logic, it is okay to steal from people and businesses. If you steal from a local business, or a person, is it not immoral?

******* logic, son
User avatar #102 to #74 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
It's also a question of whether or not you are really stealing something. Piracy is just making a copy of the original. I also do not believe in the ownership of ideas, plenty of people can have the same idea, without having to get it from someone else, ergo no one owns their own thoughts. So in extension, you cannot own any one idea, or concept.
#105 to #102 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
The Patent division would disagree with your thoughts on owning a 'concept'. Pirating is stealing because you are acquiring freely what cost money to produce. If the movie is released free of charge (like at a film festival) than there would be no rights to the movie to defend; but since piracy usually involved blockbuster movies-that makes no sense.

e.g. Your logic would deduce that taking currency notes from an individual isn't stealing because that money is just an idea/concept that someone invented; which according to you cannot be owned.

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User avatar #109 to #105 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
No, stealing currency is different, as you are stealing a physical object that represents the concept of value. Key word being physical object, I can't just say I gave you $5, I actually have to give you the note. If you can make an exact copy of something without affecting the value of the original, then morality makes no difference. I will agree that it does cost money to produce it, but after that, it takes no effort, nor money to make copies. My main point, is that if they charged less, they would sell more, but until they charge less, I will not pay for it. That's as far as music goes.

As far as patents on inventions go, they are totally retarded, they limit innovation by restricting the tools that another company can work with without paying royalties. Everyone (Apple and Samsung) get pissed off when you use an idea of theirs without paying for it. It's just ******* ridiculous. That's like if me and Karl Marx had the same idea about the same time, and I put a patent on socialism, Karl Marx would have to pay me to talk about it and write about it. It's the same ******* concept, applied to physical objects.
User avatar #115 to #109 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
I honestly cannot understand how you are justifying pirating because it is 'free to make a copy'... That is the silliest argument I've ever heard. It's free to strangle someone to death, so is it therefore morally okay? No... What in the almighty **** are you actually talking about, son?
User avatar #118 to #115 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
Is it hurting anyone that I make a ******* copy of a song? No, it doesn't, these guys are already rich, do I buy music, yes I do, but only from artists I really like, and want to support. I am not going to pay to support Lil Wayne's Drug habits by buying his music, he should be thankful I am doing him a favor.
User avatar #120 to #118 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
So now you say you have the ultimate right and consideration of what justifies theft/piracy? ***** you just went full retard. So killing a homeless man that no one even knows or cares about is okay because it doesn't hurt anyone? Hell you're even SAVING him from his drug and alcohol addiction! GO YOU! >_>
#113 to #109 - lmh (01/23/2013) [-]
fraud then?
User avatar #114 to #113 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
Fraud is passing something off as true when it isn't to either cover your tracks for theft, or to benefit in another way. Forging documents and counterfeiting are forms of fraud. Fraud and theft are not the same, but they usually go hand in hand.
User avatar #117 to #114 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
>cover your tracks for theft
>not the same
>cover your tracks
>theft
>not the same

lolwut
User avatar #116 to #114 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
fraud is a form of theft.
User avatar #119 to #116 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual; the related adjective is fraudulent. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and also a civil law violation. Defrauding people or entities of money or valuables is a common purpose of fraud.

Fraud =/= theft.
User avatar #121 to #119 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.[1][2] The word is also used as an informal shorthand term for some crimes against property, such as burglary, embezzlement, larceny, looting, robbery, shoplifting and fraud.

Theft isn't always covered under fraud, but fraud is always covered under theft

#122 to #121 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
*Theft isn't always covered under fraud, and fraud isn't always covered under theft.   
   
I could make a fraudulent claim about you with the shear purpose to discredit you and make myself look better in comparison. I gained no money, and I stole nothing, ergo no theft was committed.
*Theft isn't always covered under fraud, and fraud isn't always covered under theft.

I could make a fraudulent claim about you with the shear purpose to discredit you and make myself look better in comparison. I gained no money, and I stole nothing, ergo no theft was committed.
User avatar #166 to #122 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
That isn't considered fraud... that is slander. You don't know anything of what you speak. I'd stop pretending to know so much, while knowing so little.
#170 to #166 - mcatheistnuggets (01/23/2013) [-]
Can't you accept the fact that there are multiple terms for everything, and some words can have different meanings based on context?    
   
Fraudulent - Adjective   
1. Obtained, done by, or involving deception, esp. criminal deception: "the fraudulent copying of American software".   
2. Unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.   
   
Damn 						*****					, #learn2english.
Can't you accept the fact that there are multiple terms for everything, and some words can have different meanings based on context?

Fraudulent - Adjective
1. Obtained, done by, or involving deception, esp. criminal deception: "the fraudulent copying of American software".
2. Unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.

Damn ***** , #learn2english.
User avatar #174 to #170 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
side note: You don't even know the lrn2_____ properly... **** man, you don't know **** .
User avatar #173 to #170 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
This entire time you're arguing what you consider to be a crime... You don't get to make that determination. Lrn2logic. It's time to stop posting now
User avatar #106 to #105 - mmajunkie (01/23/2013) [-]
then*
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