Real Logic:

>No guns
>No people getting shot

People can kill people just as easily with other shit, and this isn;t our logic, this is 1780's american logic.

self defense alone does not justify owning a weapon which sole purpose is for murder.

Hey guys how about we make guns illegal, so bad guys don't have guns
Just like how bad guys don't have drugs because we made drugs illegal.

thats like saying murder should be legal since people will do it anyway. in that case, why do we need a government and laws?

youre right, humans can live happily with chaotic anarchy. fuck everything, do what you want, right?

">give people a killing tool"

Do you really think we just let people walk into gun stores and buy guns without permits and background checks? We allow people to get guns because it's a Constitutional right in the US. I think the issue with some pro gun people with the topic is that once one type of gun is banned, it can be seen as a foothold for getting more guns banned until law abiding citizens are disarmed.

oh, so the guy who shot 3-4 people this week, who bought it hours before, was screened and checked? - i think not

I'm not sure which incident you're stating. If he bought it from a source that didn't have any sort of screening or background check, why would that seller be affected by a ban on guns?

sorry, kinda drunk, forgot to mention that he was screened and checked, but not thouroughly enough (obviously)

Oh, I see. I know our current laws and regulations aren't perfect, and I'm fine with strengthening and modifying background checks and screenings where necessary, but I personally think that once one type of gun is banned, it may be the beginning of a gradual process of other types being banned until guns are taken out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

yeah i agree that it's a possibility, but there's a slim chance that hunting rifles and pistols will be banned in the process, since the right to arms is protected by the constitution - but again this is just what I think.

That's not American logic, that's dumbass logic, don't mix all us Americans into that group, we're not all idiots.

Because people will always have guns. I'm not going to stand by while someone breaks in my house and I hide in a corner.
I have my .357 locked up, but easy to get to. Why? After living in so many burned down places, where you can walk outside to have a cigarette and see your neighbor get robbed, you'll want to protect yourself too.

TL;DR? Lowlifes kill people for nothing. People protect themselves.

yeah, but isn't that great childhood stick enough? - you know, the one you found as a child with the perfect grib and balance? the one we hid under our beds, just in case something happened? the one our mom hated infourisly? (- mine did, so she bought a couple of mahogany fighting sticks for me instead.)
In a country, with almost no guns, like Denmark, you wouldn't need a gun for self defence, you'd just need goold old trusted clubby the club, for the job.

I still have my trusty old clubby under my bed, just in case something happens. And clubby the club has endning it's fair share of violence, so far, and I feel a lot more safe within it's proximity, than I do with guns of any kind.

Right, I'm from Norway, and I agree that it's fine to own a revolver if you keep it in your home. But why would anyone need an assault rifle to protect themselves from burglars? I mean, that's all Obama wants to ban, right?

people want assault rifles because they look awesome, why do people buy swords? There isnt going to be a feudal knight barging into your house looking for a duel, people just by them because they look kick anus

Im from Denmark, and most of us dont own a gun. The worst thing that could happen to us is getting stabbed...

But if you had a gun, you wouldn't be stabbed, and you'd be damned sure the burglar would put that shit back.

chances are he has a gun whether or not you have one.. people committing a crime may already have committed a crime.. like owning an illegal firearm..

There are 12 guns per 100 people. I don't think the chances of the person robbing you having a gun is that high, and the chances of you dying is waaaaaay lower.

statistics? without reference? always nice.. does that include illegal firearms? does that include a list of how many of those 100 are felons and how many of those 12 represent felons?
i actually do think that the person committing burglary might be armed; he'd be stupid not to.. and i think felons aren't stupid, they were merely brought up with low chances to amount to anything differently and can see a quick buck when presented the opportunity.