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User avatar #230 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
You know what would be cool?

Converting Mars into a giant spaceship, using its core as an engine. That way, we could get everyone out of the solar system before the Sun went kaboom.
#236 to #230 - casadue (01/20/2013) [-]
"before Sun went kaboom"

like "oh gawd, Sun is going kaboom in only 4 billion years! MAYANS WERE RIGHT!"
User avatar #237 to #236 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
Well, I plan to be out of the solar system before it happens.

And I want to take Mars with me.
#264 to #237 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Do you really think that would physically end up working?
User avatar #268 to #264 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
In some form or another. The resources to accomplish it exist, but the technology is still in its infancy.
#270 to #268 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Even with the technology to do this, it would be pretty bad to leave the solar system. With no sun, we'd freeze.
User avatar #271 to #270 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
All the people would be inside the planet, in cities under the surface.

Mars is a gigantic spaceship in this scenario.
#272 to #271 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Would we have light?
User avatar #273 to #272 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
The core of the planet would be used as an energy source for artificial lighting.

By the time the core of Mars stops spinning, it should already be orbiting another star, so then we have solar energy.
#274 to #273 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Just gonna say right now, the core of mars isn't spinning. It's just molten. Also, orbiting a star is like a balancing act. You can't just expect mars to land in orbit with another star, it needs to be steered in place. Moving the entire planet would be impossible using only the energy of the core.
User avatar #276 to #274 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
Well, then, we have a couple other options:

a) Devise methods to produce large quantities of antimatter on-demand, to be used in annihilation thrusters on a scale capable of moving Mars.

b) Artificially produce Helium-3 (somehow), and/or mine the surface of the Moon for it, in order to power enormous fusion generators that will power the thrusters that scoot us out of the Solar system.

Those two aside, we have millions of years to come up with something better.
#277 to #276 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Ok, lets say we can move mars, live underground, and have artificial light.

We'd never be able to get another sun to orbit, because it requires a lot of maneuvering. Also other stars are thousands of light years away...

Idea is, talk about technology all you like, but nothing will ever break the laws of physics. 1+1 will always = 2.

There is a formula saying that energy can't be created. So no matter what energy harvesting technology there is, there's not enough to move mars so much.
#300 to #277 - lordaurion (02/04/2013) [-]
Have you never heard of nuclear energy? Because fission destroys matter to create energy.
#301 to #300 - catzombie (02/04/2013) [-]
Yea, and it would take a fuck tone of mass
User avatar #278 to #277 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
How do you know there isn't enough energy stored in all the Helium-3 on the Moon to maneuver Mars? How could you possibly know that?

Also, once the planet gets up to speed, on a course for another star, there won't be any mass-scale consumption of fuel, because guess what? The planet is in SPACE where friction is nearly always NONEXISTENT. The only times the thrusters will need to be used is during the initial exit of the solar system and the maneuvering phase of orbiting another star.
#279 to #278 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Sigh... I'm smart ok?

Lets do some math. Mass of mars: 6.4219 x 10^23 kg.
The amount of energy to speed it up to 1% the speed of light is 2.9 x 10^36 J. (E = 0.5mv^2)
Using the formula E = mc^2 which is the maximum energy you could ever theoretically get from any particle, we can figure out that you'd need 3.2 x 10^19 kg of fuel.
You'd also need that much to show it down, so total 6.4 x 10^19 kg.
Also you'd have to use massive amounts of energy to steer the planet into orbit into the other star.

Btw, how big will these thrusters be? The size of mount Everest, how many of them? A million? What would keep them from burrowing into the ground?

Also it's a useless projects considering nobody's gonna give a fuck.
User avatar #280 to #279 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
Anybody with an eighth grade education and an ego the size of Australia can toss around scientific notation, the energy-mass equation and basic physics in order to back up the ridiculously subjective statement "I'm smart, ok?".

Honestly, you just sound like a shithead.

That aside, get back to me in a hundred years with a better explanation of why I can't take Mars with me, and I'll either concede or hand you back an explanation of how I can. See you then.
#281 to #280 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Do you want to be some theoretical physics or some shit. I can tell by your claims that you are just not an intelligent individual. I notice that you replied to me after 15 minutes, did it really take that long to try to understand my comment.

If you still don't. I'm just saying, according to physics, the minimum amount of fuel it would take would be 64000000000000000000 kg.

I can also easily answer the your previous question of how much energy is stored in the bonds of Helium-3, but you probably wouldn't understand.

You're just like religion, when you see something you don't understand you just cry.
#282 to #281 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
You're assuming I'm sitting here, waiting for your reply, then frantically scrambling to counter your arguments, armed with nothing but Wikipedia.

Sorry, but you're actually on the back burner when it comes to how I'm allotting my time. I've got better things to do than engage in an internet argument with you in the wee hours of the morning.

If you actually want to get back to me at a later date when you can conduct yourself like an adult, follow the symbol.
#283 to #282 - catzombie (01/20/2013) [-]
Dude. I just mathematically proved you wrong, and because you don't understand me, you'll just rant about how much I sound like a "shithead".

Gah, I should have known talking to idiots using math was a bad idea.
#285 to #283 - hydraetis (01/20/2013) [-]
Don't let his inferior thinking process rustle your jimmies.
User avatar #252 to #237 - nockae ONLINE (01/20/2013) [-]
You should really be planning to be dead before that happens.
User avatar #262 to #252 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
Now why in the hell would I want to be dead?
User avatar #263 to #262 - nockae ONLINE (01/20/2013) [-]
Who the fuck wants to live that long.
Jesus being 80 must be bad enough.
Being 200 Million must be living hell.
User avatar #265 to #263 - Spavaloo (01/20/2013) [-]
You're talking to someone who fully intends to exist until entropy claims the Universe.
User avatar #269 to #265 - nockae ONLINE (01/20/2013) [-]
Shit, I want to die before I turn 90.
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