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charagrin ONLINE (01/18/2013) [-] Shotguns for home defense is a big nono. . The problem is a shotgun is generally longer, making it easy to grab from around the corner, not to mention when you pump it(assuming pump action) you have not only let the thief know you are armed, but also where you are, and what if he is armed as well? A revolver or pistol of medium power with wadcutters or HP's will do the job, as well as keep penetration down should you miss. If you miss with a stronger round, it WILL go through a wall until something stops it, whether it's a fridge, a car, your neighbors house, or a passerby.
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N. Korean citizen (01/20/2013) [-]
Sorry, but I have to oppose you on this. My dad got home from taking a tactical shotgun course today lead by 3 police officers and what I learned from what he told me is that the weapon to use in home defense is a shotgun. The point of a home defense is to keep all residents safe by incapacitating an intruder who is deemed a threat. A shotgun is perfect for this scenario because one shot to the midsection of a human being is bringing that person down. 8 pieces of buckshot will do serious damage to a person and leave them dead or unconsciously dying. The problem with a handgun is that its harder to aim than a shotgun due to the significant less spread. Also, a shot from a handgun has a lower chance of killing a person, so if they were armed, and hit with a handgun round and brought to the floor, they will still be a threat. Another point to bring up with a shotgun is its ability to constantly be aimed at a target. When you have it aimed, and you are shooting, you can load a shell in the tube between each shot, allowing constant fire on your target, whereas with a handgun, you have to unload the magazine, put in each bullet which results in taking your eyes and gun off the target, and wasting time.
Tl:dr shotguns are better tactically because of easier aim, better firepower, and better loading
Tl:dr shotguns are better tactically because of easier aim, better firepower, and better loading
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charagrin ONLINE (01/20/2013) [-] No offense, but if your dad's instructors did say that, they were very inept when it came to basic firearm physics. At anything less then 40 feet the spread from a shotgun would pretty much nil, unless it had a 10 inch long barrel and a fully opened choke. Shotguns do not work like they do in video games, you do not have a magic 8 foot wide spread at 3 feet. You don't even have a very wide spread at 100 feet depending on your make and model. A handgun is EASIER to aim at short range, because of it's very form and function. At short range the round will go where you want it. Without the gun catching on door jambs, being bulky around corners, etc. Again, no offense, but COD does not teach you anything practical about firearms beyond the fact they shoot bullets.
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gimmetheporn (01/19/2013) [-] Most of what you say (especially about shottys) is true, but whether or not a handgun round (JHP or not) will pass through a wall and risk striking another occupant of the house is highly dependent on the ballistic properties of the individual round.
9x19 Parabellum is highly penetrative in any form, and should be used with caution. Preferably not at all.
.45 ACP is slow and large with great stopping power, but it's slow speed usually causes the JHP rounds to not expand during flight over short distances (E.G.: A room or hall-way). When an un-expanded hollow-point round strikes a thin wall (sheetrock), it tends to fly through it, THEN expand. A very dangerous situation to whomever is behind said wall.
By far, the best recommended rounds for home defense are either .380 or 9x18 Makarov. Either one of those rounds is fast enough to take advantage of using JHP ammo, have much lower effective ranges (causing them to drop out of flight after hitting and/or passing through a target or wall), and are generally used in small firearms built specifically for defensive use.
As for .40 S&W, you have to take into account the fact that while it's not as penetrative as 9x19mm, nor as destructive as .45 ACP, it's still got a real good chance of going through your house. Buy ammunition accordingly.
As for revolvers, they should be out of the question when the words "home defense" are used. Revolver rounds (.357 Mag, .38 Special, .44 Mag, etc.) are made to penetrate, destroy, and obliterate. Everything behind whatever or whoever you're trying to shoot IS a target by default.
9x19 Parabellum is highly penetrative in any form, and should be used with caution. Preferably not at all.
.45 ACP is slow and large with great stopping power, but it's slow speed usually causes the JHP rounds to not expand during flight over short distances (E.G.: A room or hall-way). When an un-expanded hollow-point round strikes a thin wall (sheetrock), it tends to fly through it, THEN expand. A very dangerous situation to whomever is behind said wall.
By far, the best recommended rounds for home defense are either .380 or 9x18 Makarov. Either one of those rounds is fast enough to take advantage of using JHP ammo, have much lower effective ranges (causing them to drop out of flight after hitting and/or passing through a target or wall), and are generally used in small firearms built specifically for defensive use.
As for .40 S&W, you have to take into account the fact that while it's not as penetrative as 9x19mm, nor as destructive as .45 ACP, it's still got a real good chance of going through your house. Buy ammunition accordingly.
As for revolvers, they should be out of the question when the words "home defense" are used. Revolver rounds (.357 Mag, .38 Special, .44 Mag, etc.) are made to penetrate, destroy, and obliterate. Everything behind whatever or whoever you're trying to shoot IS a target by default.
