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#73 to #6 - hadrian (01/18/2013) [-]
MFW this thread and the 						*********					 against me for pointing out that OP's propaganda pic wasn't so bad.
MFW this thread and the ********* against me for pointing out that OP's propaganda pic wasn't so bad.
#34 to #6 - dasbrot ONLINE (01/17/2013) [-]
The USA weren't the only ones.
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User avatar #66 to #60 - dasbrot ONLINE (01/17/2013) [-]
Didn't really read, but I think I agree.
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User avatar #65 to #19 - hypex ONLINE (01/17/2013) [-]
uh.. what have i done?
User avatar #25 to #19 - marlkarxthethird (01/17/2013) [-]
>"actual history"
>utterly biased nationalistic drivel

Pick one.
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#59 to #36 - marlkarxthethird (01/17/2013) [-]
Are you aware of the literary concept known as "tone?"   
   
There is a massive difference in tone between the following statements:   
   
1) The United States of America was a participant in the Second World War. Soldiers in the American armed forces engaged German and Italian forces in the European Theatre and Japanese forces in the Asian Theatre. The USA entered the war after the Japanese attack on the Pearl Harbor naval base on December 7, 1941. The American declaration of war on the Japanese Empire resulted in subsequent declarations of war on the United States by Japan's fascist allies, Germany and Italy. Over the course of the war, both American and Axis powers engaged in total war tactics with their enemies, America in retaliation for the Japanese attack on its navy and the resultant Axis response, Japan in pursuit of continuing its expansionist policies in South East Asia, and the German and Italian forces in response to American mobilization against Japanese forces.    
   
2) America is great because we fought the bad guys in WW2. Democracy is good and fascism is bad and Italy and Germany were fascist so we had to fight them. Brave people in America had to ration their food and use less power so the fearless soldiers could have food and guns to fight the evil bad guys. The European soldiers were sissies so we had to send our amazing soldiers to sacrifice themselves to save them, so that's why they were the Greatest Generation. They were and always will be the best America ever had to offer and it's a good thing otherwise we'd be speaking German and heiling Hitler, haha.    
   
The first has a historical tone and is a logical, measured presentation of facts.   
   
The second has a "patriotic" tone and is highly biased in favour of WW2 America. People writing like that is one of the reasons why 'Murica jokes have any real basis.
Are you aware of the literary concept known as "tone?"

There is a massive difference in tone between the following statements:

1) The United States of America was a participant in the Second World War. Soldiers in the American armed forces engaged German and Italian forces in the European Theatre and Japanese forces in the Asian Theatre. The USA entered the war after the Japanese attack on the Pearl Harbor naval base on December 7, 1941. The American declaration of war on the Japanese Empire resulted in subsequent declarations of war on the United States by Japan's fascist allies, Germany and Italy. Over the course of the war, both American and Axis powers engaged in total war tactics with their enemies, America in retaliation for the Japanese attack on its navy and the resultant Axis response, Japan in pursuit of continuing its expansionist policies in South East Asia, and the German and Italian forces in response to American mobilization against Japanese forces.

2) America is great because we fought the bad guys in WW2. Democracy is good and fascism is bad and Italy and Germany were fascist so we had to fight them. Brave people in America had to ration their food and use less power so the fearless soldiers could have food and guns to fight the evil bad guys. The European soldiers were sissies so we had to send our amazing soldiers to sacrifice themselves to save them, so that's why they were the Greatest Generation. They were and always will be the best America ever had to offer and it's a good thing otherwise we'd be speaking German and heiling Hitler, haha.

The first has a historical tone and is a logical, measured presentation of facts.

The second has a "patriotic" tone and is highly biased in favour of WW2 America. People writing like that is one of the reasons why 'Murica jokes have any real basis.
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User avatar #67 to #64 - marlkarxthethird (01/17/2013) [-]
The way to renew a people's faith in its government is not through misguided hero-worship and idealization of past deeds, but rather through decisive and confidence-inspiring action by that government and its people in the present. I look at it this way: a bad football team can't get better just by fondly looking back to when they used to be good (especially if none of the current members were on the good team). The only way they can regain their previous skill and renown is to practice, to hone their abilities and refine their cooperative techniques. Sitting in the locker room, reminiscing about the good ol' days and moping about how much things suck right now won't get them anywhere. They have to change what they've been doing and remember what they did wrong so that it doesn't happen again.
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User avatar #55 to #36 - monkee (01/17/2013) [-]
The only reason America decided to finally go to war and be involved was because of pearl harbour. Beforehand they left the allies too it, allowing them to get into huge debt because america held the monopoly on resources. There was no ulterior moral objective, they were protecting their interests. Such is a capitalist society.
User avatar #56 to #55 - monkee (01/17/2013) [-]
I understand the great depression had hit, but germany was in a similar (if not worse) financial state before the war. No matter what the national debt is, a country can always afford to go to war.
User avatar #61 to #56 - marlkarxthethird (01/17/2013) [-]
Yeah, historically, the inter-war German economy was far worse than Great Depression America. The dollar was still worth something, at least. In Germany, they burned their currency in huge stacks to keep warm.

#9 to #6 - hypex ONLINE (01/17/2013) [-]
you're a special kind of retard arent you?
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#62 to #12 - marlkarxthethird (01/17/2013) [-]
As an American who grew up whilst bombarded with patriotic messages and propaganda concerning how great and brave and infallible we are and always have been, I find his cynicism quite refreshing.
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User avatar #69 to #68 - marlkarxthethird (01/17/2013) [-]
Think what you will. You have that right. I'll stick with my array of soullessly constructed and so-logically-based-and-distanced-from-emotion-as-to-be-considered-sociopathic beliefs.
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