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#204 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
Dark Souls facepalm, **** you.
Catholic Contributions to preservation and advancement of sciences:
Dark Ages
>Western Rome falls, anarchy left
>Monks preserve knowledge
>Literacy and written works survive in Western Europe
Middle Ages
>Backwards time overall some detractive actions (lol bathing is evil!)
>Advances in Astronomy most notable
>Crusades launched bringing Muslim advances back (Algebra and Engineering at last!)
Renaissance to Victorian Eras
>Jesuits become prolific
>Numerous Jesuits study zoology, astronomy, and mathematics abroad
>Jesuit schools in Europe and in foreign lands advance multiple fields
>Gregor Mendel becomes the father of modern genetics at his monastery

Faith vs. Science is a purely American invention perpetrated by a few nut bags from mega churches. The Catholic Church provided a well funded and structure organization in which various sciences flourished.

In the Islamic world various Sultans (A religiously appointed position) sponsored scientific and mathematical research. It gave them their amazing architecture, advances in warfare, and superior quality of life to their European rivals (how the mighty have fallen)

In short if you believe religious organizations, as a whole, have hindered us as a species; you are more close minded than the religious nuts you bash on a regular basis.
#375 to #204 - anonymous (03/04/2013) [-]
I wish I could share the wisdom abundant up in this thread more,it captures my hope for people to think less...narrow-minded
User avatar #374 to #204 - Crusader (03/01/2013) [-]
I would agree, but the Catholic church did kill many people who supported science, and black-listed many people who studied the universe and then presented theories that contradicted the accepted ideas.
Copernicus is just one example.
Though this might be an example of when culture overrides religion.
#318 to #204 - Kellanved (01/16/2013) [-]
I love this guy. A voice of reason in a ********* , and a fellow Dark Souls fan. I feel almost ashamed for never having done a faith based build. Heh, silliness aside, well said dude.
#324 to #318 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
Faith builds are difficult at first, hence most people shy away from it. I would try it but I'm too much of a sucker for heavy armour.
#314 to #204 - anonymous (01/16/2013) [-]
To be fair the Dark Ages probably wouldn't have happened in the first place if it wasn't for the rise of Christianity.
#323 to #314 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
Christianity caused the Chinese to uproot the Huns sending them west? Which in turn caused the Western Romans to assimilate the Gothic tribes into their army to fight them off? The same goths who when denied what was promised to them as Roman Citizens sacked Rome? Leading to the collapse of the central Roman government and leaving too weak to face the Vandals and Frankish hordes that later invaded? Christianity did all of that?!
User avatar #320 to #314 - Kellanved (01/16/2013) [-]
The Dar Ages came after the collapse of the Roman Empire and thus the fall of political order, a massive empire that had lasted for so long and suddenly it was gone. Christianity had nothing to do with it you ignorant **** . Read a history book.
#218 to #204 - anonymous (01/16/2013) [-]
Dark ages
>Monk's preserve knowledge
>what the actual ****

But seriously you can make up as much **** as you want, but religion has still hindered us as a whole since day 1. That being said it was also unavoidable, but detrimental nonetheless.
#296 to #218 - anonymous (01/16/2013) [-]
#224 to #218 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
If you have opinions you stand by them. The Roman Empire was dead, their system of laws gone, their centers of knowledge burned to the ground, their bureaucracy in ruin. The Goths were former Roman soldiers and many Catholic. The Roman Catholic Church survived for this reason. Monastery became the only sources of literature in the whole of Western Europe. I didn't make any of this up, you can learn it in any Western Civilization course even at the high school level. There are numerous sources on the internet. I mean legitimate libraries hosted by state universities and sites such as EBSCO. In short: You're a sodding bigot and go **** yourself.
#271 to #224 - anonymous (01/16/2013) [-]
Well yeah they preserved the bible, it's a fact that during the dark ages the church burned far more literature than it preserved, hence the name of the ******* age. And no **** it survived it controlled and brainwashed most of Europe. In short, you're delusional and one of many dumbasses who triy to cover up for the ****** that is organized religion.
#279 to #271 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
Yes, only the pious are able to give bias arguments and Atheists never twist facts to suit their purposes. You are the only group of people to not lie and spread propaganda. /sarcasm off

The Catholics are evil sons of bitches at times, every nation/organization is. Nothing is black and white in this life. Atheist nations such as the USSR (Under Stalin, the Eastern Orthodox churches recovered without his iron fist), China, Cuba, and North Korea suppressed advancements of both science and social change to suit them. So answer me this: How is your view better for humanity than mine? How is mine better than yours? Simple Answer: They're not.

All sides are wrong more than they are right, in the end it is a matter of which offers the best cost-benefit relation. My answers above are true, look it up. You want an even worse culprit for Nonreligious warmongering? Genghis Khan himself. Not Atheist by any means but faith didn't motive his burning of half the known world and destroying hundreds of cultures with their collective knowledge.

I finish with my original statement: Religion has not slowed human advancement. It has in some aspects but it has provided a net benefit to our species. More of this can be seen in Asian cultures: Advancements in humanism found in Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism. Humanity would be less without these. I repeating: You are a sodding bigot and go **** yourself.
#342 to #279 - anonymous (01/16/2013) [-]
Most of that was pretty irrelevant, but I stand by what I said, you're an idiot if you honestly think religion hasn't slowed down human advancement in any way. i'm not saying to what extent because no one knows, only that it did. The only thing about this debate that's even surprised me at all is that there are more idiots out there who think religion didn't have any negative impact on humans than not.
#344 to #342 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
Also my cowardly friend I suggest you read the last two comments in this thread.
#343 to #342 - dwarfman (01/16/2013) [-]
And if your sodding opinion had any basis or proof (I gave examples your argument was basically hurr durr religion bad HURRRRRRRRR) you wouldn't need to be anonymous. Personally feel you're uneducated and prejudice. Enjoy your ignorance, world religious are amazing things to study.
#361 to #343 - anonymous (01/17/2013) [-]
Ok so you really are stupid, first off my only claim was that religion collectively has hindered human progress as a whole which is true. I'm fully aware of great religious minds out there and I know there are many moral lessons to be gained from the bible and other religious texts. I never said religion is bad for people, I personally don't buy anything religious, but I wouldn't think of someone any differently for being religious unless they were a nut.

TL;DR: You jumped to conclusions and are wrong.
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