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#383 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
I'd say it's much easier to shoot a man than beat/strangle/stab them.
When was the last time there was a massacre via knife?
User avatar #453 to #383 - counteractive (01/13/2013) [-]
A school in china the same day the Sandy Hook shooting took place. 22 children and teachers slashed. A year prior to that a similar knife attack in china took somewhere around 50 (That includes injured, not all dies, but neither do all in shooting sprees).
#476 to #453 - anonymous (01/13/2013) [-]
That incident in China was a large assault, but seeing as no one died its not a massacre. The question is still stands.
User avatar #486 to #476 - counteractive (01/13/2013) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932012)

The above cases only pretain to reported chinese attacks only. Some cases resulted in no casualties, some had many fatalities. The cases do not relate to any incidents outside of china.
#420 to #383 - anonymous (01/13/2013) [-]
Probably sometime before the Boston Massacre, where a tyrannical government was met with stones, and the citizens lost. Kind of like the police state we have now, which is why so much advocacy for the 2nd amendment.
#484 to #420 - anonymous (01/13/2013) [-]
You have a police state because the authorities whose job it is to keep the peace are having a hard time because so many people with guns are trying to disturb it. If people were less likely to shoot each other and/or the police the police would relax a little. They aren't so menacing here in NZ because its rare for them to get hurt (though it does happen)
#410 to #383 - ichbinlecher (01/13/2013) [-]
The real question is how many people total are killed with knives vs guns (don't know the answer, not really relevant to the point I am making). Asking about massacres is ad miseracordium (spelling? - an appeal to emotions) because we seem to care more about people's deaths if several die at once rather than spread out over the year.
User avatar #422 to #410 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
I can agree with your logic to a certain degree, but when you look at other 1st world nations they don't have nearly as many homicides. What they do have is better gun control.
#431 to #422 - ichbinlecher (01/13/2013) [-]
Again, it depends on how you look at the statistics. Other countries have way higher violent crime rates than the US, but murder is lower. It also has to do with where murder is likely to happen - bigger cities. The US has almost 200 cities with over 200,000 people, most countries have an entire order of magnitude (power of ten) less. I am also just assuming your stats are correct, being to lazy to check them right now, but most of the report I have heard on the news have to do with gun violence rather than murder rates, and that is not synonymous (take the example of some of the new town kids that were shot but didn't die). Again, I am just throwing things out there - I don't think any legislation will come of this simply because the nearest they can get it to the floor is April and the hype will have died down.
User avatar #441 to #431 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
Interesting points. But there is a quote I've heard before.

There are three types of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I am aware I've been throwing around my fair share of them too, but I've think we've reached a point where neither of us care to really look deeper into the subject's statistics seeing as how there is another group of statistics that can disprove it.

I personally am ok with people having guns so long as we have more regulations and restrictions.
#448 to #441 - ichbinlecher (01/13/2013) [-]
I hate that quote...It implies statistics are lies, where as the truth is you just have to know how to look at them to see what they really say...oh well, personal issue.
User avatar #460 to #448 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
Well it's been fun having a controlled and reasonable debate with you but I am tired and can no longer brain. Good day
User avatar #386 to #383 - ronyx ONLINE (01/13/2013) [-]
Same day the massacre at the middle school some dude in asia went into a school with a knife. Nobody was killed but a few kids got slashed.
User avatar #395 to #386 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
I would say that there is a huge difference in those two results.
User avatar #406 to #395 - sketchE (01/13/2013) [-]
GB has the highest murder rate of first world countries. guns are restricted there
User avatar #413 to #406 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
I don't know if this website is completely accurate, but if it is you would be wrong...
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User avatar #425 to #413 - sketchE (01/13/2013) [-]
its hard to compare when they are using different years. this is called selective evidence. picking statistics from a good year for GB and a bad year for the US is bad science. no argument could be formed wither way
User avatar #429 to #425 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
Ergo my stating that it probably wasn't very accurate. However, this is the first time I have heard someone say that Great Britain had the highest murder rate of first world countries. I have heard the same about the U.S. many more times.
Plus, Great Britain is not the only country with gun restrictions. Many countries in Europe like the Netherlands have high restrictions on guns with extremely low homicide rates.
Sorry for the novel.
User avatar #436 to #429 - sketchE (01/13/2013) [-]
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according to this they actually have a high murder rate. at least in 2006. i will detract my statement however. what i said was based off of a stateemt i heard but hadnt researched myself. many people who say america has the most only refer to gun murders and likely just see gun death and bunch them together. many of those deaths are accidental. lumping accidental death and homicide together is just wrong.
#435 to #429 - ichbinlecher (01/13/2013) [-]
If isn't the highest murder rate (I don't know of care) I can tell you it has a much higher incidence of violent crime in general, even though it has less gun crime.
User avatar #445 to #435 - noshitholmes (01/13/2013) [-]
I think the Netherlands has some of the lowest crime rates in the world, but I didn't check that. If you want to look it up and prove me wrong be my guest. As for the rest of them, I'm not sure... However, I would prefer violent crimes to higher homicide rates.
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