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#282 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
I find it funny how pro-gun americans keep hammering on the fact that people kill people, and not guns. Yet guns are obviously alot more dangerous than knifes etc. since victims don't have a chance to defend themselves.    
   
without guns people have a bigger chance of survival
I find it funny how pro-gun americans keep hammering on the fact that people kill people, and not guns. Yet guns are obviously alot more dangerous than knifes etc. since victims don't have a chance to defend themselves.

without guns people have a bigger chance of survival
#309 to #282 - chiefrunnyjeans (01/13/2013) [-]
No **** . Criminals, not the innocent, have a greater chance of survival without guns. Victims have the choice not to be victims if they also have a gun. Also because we have more guns our violent crime rate is lower compared to the rest of the world and has been on a constant decline. I think it's funny how anti-gun people have a complete disregard for statistics and logic. More guns=less crime and less innocent deaths in all cases
#363 to #309 - anonymous (01/13/2013) [-]
Your "statistics" are ******** . Our crime rates are far higher than countries with stricter gun laws. Maybe you should check your facts before saying people "have a complete disregard for statics and logic". Moron.
User avatar #530 to #363 - chiefrunnyjeans (01/13/2013) [-]
My statistics are from the FBI. I don't know where your getting your statistics but they are definitely flawed. Our crime rates are at historic lows. Our homicide rate is the lowest it's been since the 1950's and gun ownership has increased tenfold along with population. If you had actually looked at the statistics you would see that guns decrease crime rate. You sir are the moron.
#359 to #309 - anonymous (01/13/2013) [-]
The fact of the matter is that you're putting other people at danger simply because you're paranoid. Yes, you can defend yourself, but what most people overlook is the fact that the majority of murder cases occur in the heat of the moment, and are targeted against someone somebody knows, not simply a random person. With stricter gun regulations, sure you won't be able to have a lethal weapon to defend yourself, but you won't need to because the people you know (who are the most likely to shoot you) wouldn't have them easier. Now, before you make the argument that "if people want guns they'll get them, black market blah blah blah", this doesn't truly work, as the majority of people who do these shootings get the guns from someone they know (which they wouldn't be able to if stricter gun regulations were put in place) and would be forced to think over their decision, and would result in a large decline in assaults with guns. Now, next time you're fighting for your right to have killing machines, just know that you're putting other people in danger, and are indirectly responsible for the majority of deaths by guns.
User avatar #531 to #359 - chiefrunnyjeans (01/13/2013) [-]
I am not paranoid, I'm just not stupid like you. No **** guns are killing machines. So are cars and they are much more effective. According to your flawed logic no one should have a car either. You also seem to be completely ignoring the fact that in populations with strict gun control crimes are still committed all the time with banned guns and the crime rate, especially in russia and the uk is insanely high. You also seem to not understand why we have guns in the first place. We not only have the right to have guns and defend ourselves, but to keep a check on the government and to defend against tyranny. You need to have equivalent arms to the military in order to keep a check on them, that's how democracy works and that's why we are the most free nation on the planet. Not enough people are armed in other nations like korea and china so they have no rights and are treated horribly. You are right about one thing. I am putting the lives of people in danger. The lives of violent criminals. And any other arguments you have, the second amendment invalidates them.
#351 to #309 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
Also because we have more guns our violent crime rate is lower compared to the rest of the world and has been on a constant decline.

I refuse to believe that.
Even if it were true, wouldnt it be better if there were NO guns at all? I'm not saying that's easily achievable. My point was that, guns do in fact people, and guns are the problem.
#356 to #351 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
*do in fact kill*
User avatar #306 to #282 - breakfastskippa (01/13/2013) [-]
Yeah but criminals dont obey laws and innocent people cant defend themselves.
#288 to #282 - anonymous (01/13/2013) [-]
Yeah sure, til someone comes along with a gun. Do you really think guns would magically be gone with more restrictions?
#290 to #288 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
I think there'd be less. yes
#299 to #290 - Antonkr (01/13/2013) [-]
Good luck eliminating 300 million guns in the entire ******* nation, dumb **** .
#304 to #299 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
there is no reason to make more, nothing good comes out of it
#302 to #299 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
Im not saying they'd all be gone..
If you stop distributing them, ofcourse the incidents will go down, its freakin math
#307 to #302 - Antonkr (01/13/2013) [-]
>nothing good comes out of it
Except for you know women protecting themselves from rape.
Are you saying that the jews shouldn't have been allowed to own guns to protect themselves from Nazis?
Stats are stats.
#310 to #307 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
So you are saying that there are more cases of women protecting themselves from rape, than cases of criminials killing people with guns?
#314 to #310 - Antonkr (01/13/2013) [-]
I am saying there would be more cases of women not being able to protect themselves against rapers with now knives (or illegally obtained or made guns).

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Educate yourself.
#316 to #314 - Antonkr (01/13/2013) [-]
Going to sleep and not responding to any further arguments until you read that PDF.
You don't know **** about guns, therefore you shouldn't talk **** about guns. ******* ********* these days.
#339 to #316 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
>Women protecting themselves with guns is a good thing.
The point im trying to make is that guns do in fact kill people, and it is harder to kill a person without a gun.

I'm not saying we can magically get rid of all guns.
#525 to #339 - Antonkr (01/13/2013) [-]
are you saying that women shouldn't be able to kill their attacker with a gun?
Are you saying that the Jews that died during the holocaust should have not had a gun either?

If it's not guns it's swords and knives.

And yes you are ******* saying that we can magically get rid of all guns. This is what you implied in your first post.
#527 to #525 - urgnnahaveabadtime (01/13/2013) [-]
Swords and knives are far less dangerous than guns.

And no, I was implying guns are bad, not that we can magically get rid of them.
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