Gandalfs flowchart

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Granted, Gandalf CAN call on the eagles when he needs help, as he saved their leader from poison a long time ago and they are thus willing to aid him when he needs it.

If I can recall correctly, the eagles that appear in the hobbit had no previous correlation with Gandalf other than the "King Eagle" being the son of Thorondor, the first King of the Eagles.

Valar? I'm guessing this is information from the books written by Tolkein's son

No, the Valar are from the Sillmarillion, the book Tolkien wrote concerning the entire history of the world of the Lord of the Rings (AKA Arda) up until the fall of Numenor (basically LOTR Atlantis). The Valar are basically the 'gods' of the world, although they are only servants of the one god, Eru Illuvatar. Characters like Gandalf, Saruman, and even Sauron and Balrogs are actually angelic beings called Maiar, which are basically subordinate Valar (read: angels). Sauron, Balrogs, and most other evil Maiar were corrupted by the rouge Valar, Morgoth, (aka Melko, Melkoth, Bauglir) who is basically the devil.

If you are interested, I highly recommend reading the Sillmarillion, but caveat emptor, shit's denser than week old fruitcake and is basically a History textbook with only a few actual narratives in it. Although, there are a couple of great stories in it, such as the Tale of Beren and Luthien.

It's actually more of a bundle of all the small stories and mythology that Tolkien wrote over the years. His son finished the work by linking then one to another and filling the gaps. The book resulting is called the Silmarillion.

(could be wrong here)

No, the Silmarillion was the first book started, and the book near completion when Tolkien died. He intended it to be the complete tale, and 95% of the book was written by him, and the other 5% was organized and completed using Tolkiens notes (sometimes he had 3 or 4 possible scenarios over the same story).

And it really isn't a history, it's just the story of the Silmarils, and the events thereafter, hence Quenta Silmarillion (the main portion of the book). The rest is just background and foreground info.

So lets say I want to read what took place before the Hobbit in chronological order, what would I read first?

You should read that book.
The Hobbit and The lord of the Rings are telling the story of the 3rd age.
The Silmarillion is telling the story of the 1st and 2nd ages. So yea, it's kind of the beginning. If you really like the Tolkien universe, read it.

I warn you tho, the writing is pretty different from The Hobbit or LOTR, more complex, more mythological.
And the last quarter of the book is almost un-readable, mostly talking about how this guy is the son of this guy and who gave birth to what line of warriors that lived under this one magic city, etc...

eh.. didn't he talk to some butterflies, and they went and called for the eagles? I might be wrong, that's just how I got it..

Thats some BS they invented in the movies, there are no butterflies..

Actually there were, with one minor correction; it was a moth.

They were used more by Radagast, though, who doesn't even appear in the movies as communicating with Gwaihir.

Oh.. Well, I have only watch'd the movies so I guess I don't kno shit :s

Started reading the hobbit in christmas, but then school started and haven't have too much time reading.. Probably will do in next vacation ^^ Easter probably! :D

(I do thehobbit, then the three LOTR books if I have time)

They're tough reads, speaking as an avid reader myself. The vocabulary is "challenging" but mostly it's just that Tolkien goes onnnnnnnn and oooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnn about certain things

I thought the king of he eagles owed gandalf because he saved their king from a poisoned arrow

Isn't the brown wizard the summoner of the eagles?

No. No one "summons" the eagles.

When Gandalf is kept prisoner on Sarumans Castle roof the eagle was sent by the brown wizard.

No, Gandalf captures and sends a moth to go and ask the Eagles to come rescue him. An eagle named Gwaihir ends up doing so.

It might also be fair to note Gwaihir also took Gandalf's body from Zirak-Zigil (the place where he fought and killed the Balrog).

It appears to be a controversy.As to the moth doesn't exist to the books.
lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Moth under controversy

Huh. Must not remember that portion.... UGHAKLJ:AFKLMK

READING TIME!

you know your lore sir.

Haha, I love Tolkien.

Tolkien's world is not ours, some animals speak in that world (though not any tongue commonly known), and he is a wizard, after all. So him speaking to a moth isn't too far fetched.

gandalf has wizard ears too

But I wanted to be summoner of the eagles...

Shit, that's a lot of red thumbs.... Have people been thinking I don't like it?? I'm just referring to the flow chart, not the film. The film's are fucking awesome. Speaking of which, I shall go and re-watch them all back to back.

I have no strong feelings about you one way or the other, but I breathed air out of my nose seeing how hard you just tried to regain funnyjunk's favor.

It had to be done. I must have come across as a right cunt, which is never my intention at all.

I've been commenting for years on this site. it happens :l

I breathed water out of my nose reading that.

or they land perhaps..

Crystalline rocks are also politicians?

at first I thought this was just gibberish but then I got it....

I just watched this for a good four minutes... I have never felt such simplistic joy...

Ah, the mighty trollbox.

Really? Of all the badassery Gandalf and furthermore Ian McKellen is composed of, you chose to idolize his ability to inhale a burning plant? Really?

ITS A GIF YOU TWAT! thats not idolization, its a fucking ship going through a hoop. And no im not going to remind you of all the much more badass shit he did, i know, you know, and so does everyone else

He chopped off some goblins head.

omg su moch betur.

they call it pipeweed in the movie, refer to The fellowship extended edition scene 5. and LORD HELP ME IF IM WRONG BUT PERHAPS THEY USE THE FUCKING METRIC SYSTEM!

y dun u leik me tlak dis wai? pinaplepepul pls! pinaplepepul! stahp!! Ive read my fair share of books involving the decapitation of goblins... Rook Barkwater from the edge chronicles for one. And i completely meant it to be taken as weed, because tis what it be! "your love of the halflings weed has slowed your mind gandalf!" - Saruman. How many people do YOU know that can make cool 3D moving object out of smoke? (any kind)

That wasn't even spelled correctly.

I duno, i feel fine, but like the hulk my seething rage knows no bounds!

Because I am attempting to have an intelligent conversation with someone and hope they prove they are more than just another retarded stoner. And if we're citing fictional characters as our personal acquaintances to answer each other's questions, then I'm gonna go with god. He made the universe from nothing, I think he can make a 'cool 3D moving object out of smoke'.

1- False. Bears are best.

2- God isn't real, and is not the main protagonist in any novels, your weak counter point leads me to believe it is YOU who may not only be "another retarded stoner", but a cantankerous stereotyping asshat! Do not bring religion into this. Do not.

3- You are a liar... and a vagabond who enjoys sodomy. Harumph. Intelligent conversation you say, but you and your snide comments have started this arguement and theres no turning back now!

4- God dammit man Gandalf is a fictional character! Stop feeding me ammo!

1-Okay?
2-That's why I listed him as a fictional character and never specified him as a main character. This debunks the rest of your comment, so I'll just say work on your interpretation skills.
3-(Fuck this is fun) I have not once lied, nor do I prefer penile shafts to vaginal canals. Intelligent conversations are quite possible to maintain while still being hostile, provided both parties possess a shred of wit. In fact, it is one of my favorite hobbies.
4- Yes he is. Now bite the bullet.

1-seventeen

2- In context to the rest of out conversation, which YOU might need to sharpen your interpretation skills on, all examples have been from real life books. You can use god for any example. ANY. Example. Now write another response to number two!

3- Sodomy as in your copulate with animals.

4- There are too many replys to this, whatever you may think of us "retarded stoners", ive got better things to do than slam my head into my keyboard all night. GOOD NIGHT, SER.

1- Tralse
2- Are you implying the edge chronicles are based in real events? Or that the bible isn't a 'real life book?' Just wondering what you're saying before I tell you how wrong you are.
3- That's true. But I'm very picky. I only accept Homo Sapiens. (and a few close cousins)
4- I was merely making a play on words. I happen to like stoners a lot actually. My best friend is quite the, um, token pothead? I just don't like when people bring their inhaling/ exhaling habits into every facet of their lives. I suggest using your fingers next time. Good night Cameron.

chill out slut

it's just a joke.

At this point, becoming more chill is a physical impossibility. I am currently as chill as an eskimo's nutsack.

Which is a body part they like to keep nice and toasty thank you very much. what, do they run around the great north with their willies hanging out? your groin is also one of the warmest/biggest heat producing area on your body.

I see, and tell me good sir how you came to acquire this knowledge of the nature of northern natives nads?

mmm dat alliteration. well sonny let me tell you about this magical place called yellowknife! Far to the north where the spit freezes in the air, and your eyeballs frost if you dont blink fast enough, you will find these brave men. And you will find they are just like you and me, and dont all think seal eyeballs "taste like icecream". They dont want a cold penis anymore than you or I my friend.

Thank you, I enjoyed writing that. As for the simile I used earlier it was more to establish an easy to understand counterpoint than to hold any semblance of accuracy. If you desire I shall craft a more suitable comparison to suit your tastes. How's this: "chiller than Walt Disney's corpse"?

Walt disney was a powerful and very rich man, he could have had any funeral arrangements he desired, heated coffin, sleeping bag, the boiling blood of cthulu. Also he was cremated so the last remnants of his corpse were pretty fucking warm.

Yes, but there is a popular urban legend that he was frozen in an attempt to save him for a resurrection (or treatment, depends on the legend you hear) to be performed in the future.

"urban legend". i dont think i need to say anymore.

A comparison can play off of something that isn't necessarily true. If it couldn't poetry would be much duller.

....They use pipeweed which is tobacco. A legal drug.

I am not well versed in the many varieties or flammable, recreational plants, as I have no interest in using them.

Tolkien specifically stated later on that the material being smoked was tobacco, NOT marijuana. I love how stoners make a big deal out of it, as if 'weed' automatically means 'pot'.

Because Tolkien knows how much the public enjoys their wacky tobacky! Hey, you may be right. I may be right. We may both be wrong and its magical pixie dust. Who said anything about it being pot? Your the first person bringing that up ser. All context to weed was in reference to LOTR, and whatever the substance may be! While everyones combined efforts are indeed turning this into a "big deal", I just enjoyed the connections you could make between the ravenous always hungry hobbits, their love of weed & other quirky jests in the movies. Har!

Have you seen those smoke rings?

This is the most retarded arguement on funnyjunk I have seen

Your on the internet, what do you expect? I could find even more mentally challenged arguments if you fancy. not hard really, you have to wade through a dozen to reach the real comment section gold.

**niklamacz rolls 38** not dubs

**mysterykid rolls 15**

15, and 51. I think we both got dubs.

**TheFixer rolls 079,058,465** not today

No it won't, he'll solve the problem sooner or later.
Someday, he's going to get real sick of the problem's shit.

Actually, Yes-No-No-Yes-Yes-No doesn't include assistance from anyone else.

All of them?