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#6 - mattdoggy

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Most of Christianity, including the Catholic church, accepts the theory of evolution

#124 to #6 - TheAmericanCheese

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My friend who goes to a christian private school refuses to believe in evolution at all. Just saiyan...

#120 to #6 - anon id: 1ae996ac

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Only starting VERY recently. What other choice do they have if they want to stay relevant in people's minds?

#114 to #6 - toadsquad

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nothing in the bible disproves evolution

#83 to #6 - arkfire

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The reason I don't believe in evolution is because there is a lot of evidence against it.(youtube links below)
http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=KXU8E4C5SHQ
http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=l1msS71xL00

#187 to #83 - RandomAnonGuy

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Earth is 6,000 years old
He opens with "Two timelines, one which the bible is saying and one which evolution is saying"
No. Geography. Also the bible has no more say on the age of the earth than any other book. Cold hard data is what you need.
He then goes on to explain those timelines. His analysis of the literal biblical timeline is fine, then he gets to the big bang theory and is much less so. He say's it was 20 billion years ago then drastically downplays everything from then til now, as well as completely misrepresenting abiogenesis and how life works. Life forms didn't just "appear", it's a complicated and multi stepped process. Life doesn't have an "interest" in reproducing itself, it was reproducing long before it could be called life. We're less than two minutes in and he's already either lying or demonstrating gross ignorance as to the topic he's arguing against.
Again, his biblical argument is fine. When he gets back to talking about geography though, he talks about the idea that older rocks are under younger rocks (Principal of something or other, I forget) as if it were a law. It's not. It's a principal. A guidline. It doesn't always hold true. Scientists are aware of this, it's not a problem for them.
Oh god no. Oh, GOD no. **** this. I'm 6 minutes and 20 seconds in and he's talking about taxonomy. Worms, fish, frogs, cats, chimpanzee, human is how he says it is. This is much closer, but not even halfway, to how it really is. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Tree_of_life_SVG.svg/600px-Tree_of_life_SVG.svg.png

#186 to #83 - rainbowrush

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We have more more proof of evolution than we do of gravity. I'm sure all the evidence was manufactured just to fool us for some strange reason.

Just watched a lot of the first video, and it's so full of ******** it's funny.

#162 to #83 - RandomAnonGuy

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If you're going to post evidence against evolution, can you please post it in a form other than long videos on youtube? I don't deal with long videos well, my attention span fades in and out. If you've got something textual, I'd be happy to respond to it. As for the videos, I'll do my best, so brb.

#79 to #6 - lordmoldywart

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Catholics also believe in the holy trinity

They can't be taken seriously

#85 to #79 - supermegasherman

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>they are christian
>therefore they cannot be taken seriously

psst, thats wrong

#92 to #85 - lordmoldywart

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What's wrong?

#93 to #92 - supermegasherman

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people who believe in the trinity (most christians) can't be taken seriously.

galileo believed in the holy trinity

#107 to #93 - lordmoldywart

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Most Christians don't believe in the holy trinity in-fact, it's only the Catholics and their sub-branches

#111 to #107 - supermegasherman

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wait, really? well **** o a monkey and call it beavus. i need to brush up on my religions

#67 to #6 - infamoustrapper

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how? like generally curious. because i thought they contridicted (what the **** how did i forget how to spell this word) each other

#169 to #67 - ILikeGreen

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Well, I can speak for myself. I'm a Christan who believes in Evolution. It's been proven, and I do not see why some people choose to ignore it when the facts are there.

#172 to #169 - infamoustrapper

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but arent essential parts of christianity things such as adam and eve and what not?

#181 to #172 - ILikeGreen

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Well, I don't believe most of the things in the bible. I'm close to being a deist.

But a lot of christens just believe in the teachings. Be good to your neighbors, respect other beliefs. (even though a lot do You need to login to view this link church accepts gays coming in, and hearing the what the church has to offer.

I also personally do not believe that just because you are a different religion or, an atheist you are going to go to hell. If you are a good person you go to heaven. But I hate the thought of telling someone they are going to hell. I am no one to say that.

#185 to #181 - infamoustrapper

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Well thats nice of you....but whats a deist haha.

#189 to #185 - ILikeGreen

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The belief that a "god" set everything in place and left the universe to play itself off.
Like evolution, big bang theory.

#149 to #67 - toadsquad

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its not actually not a contradiction. why do u think that

#150 to #149 - infamoustrapper

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because adam and eve? idk i just thought thats what they believed

#157 to #150 - toadsquad

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hears a more you know. God created the world and what not. He does this through nature (big bang). Since God is eternal he doesn't live inside of time but created time. so when the bible says the world is created in 7 days, it shouldn't be taken in a literal way since time doesn't apply to God. then God creates human (evolution) and also God didn't create only one man and woman to start. it just to represent man and woman in the fall of creation. not everything in the bible should be taken in a literal way.

#161 to #157 - infamoustrapper

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idk....no offense but that just sounds pretty loose. i had a word in my head to perfectly describe this and i forgot what it was damn it! like...it sounds like someone backpedaling after...something.....come on i almost had a complete thought! like...hmmm. if you know what im trying to say help me out here because i have no idea hahah. ill comment again at some point when i realize what im trying to say

#175 to #161 - toadsquad

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hahaha not offended and can't help u their but explain how u find it loose. also its not like I'm a pro on the subject but i did study catholic doctrine. and faith in God is needed. also it makes sense God does it this way because God created the world so he reveals himself in his creation kinda like signing a artwork. personally i find it hard to believe God didn't take part in creation and even if u look back u need something to start everything in motion.

#179 to #175 - infamoustrapper

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ok when i say loose i think i understand what i mean now. it kinda seems like people CHOOSE not to take it literally because they dont approve of what its actually saying. but idk who knows how it is actually supposed to be taken. and oh yeah i also have questions about science related to God. like why are the things people are discovering about science and what not so complicated? like he if wanted to....idk like make everything. why not just....make everything. why would there need to be a reason behind everything? idk do you see what i mean? just something i was wondering

#194 to #179 - toadsquad

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yeah i think that sometimes when i look at it too but theres a lot of times you see different interpretations in the bible. like Catholics believe God fully revealed himself after Jesus but man has not fully understand God. i mean i can't say God's plan on how he revealed himself to man. like people spend their whole life studying God so when i study it its not the easiest thing to understand. Though actually doctrine can be almost like philosophies. it can be interesting. i just hate seeing people who haven't read the bible or study doctrine talk about how God can't be real. and like Paschal Wager i think its a losing situation to be a Atheist as my personal opinion

#146 to #67 - rainbowrush

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There is only one country in the world where larger groups of people doesn't believe in evolution.

#148 to #146 - infamoustrapper

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when you say larger groups of people...are you referring to religions being the groups? or...what do you mean. also what country are you referring to

#151 to #148 - rainbowrush

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Christians in other countries than the US almost always believe evolution is either guided by God, or just happened after God created life.

#154 to #151 - infamoustrapper

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but what about adam and eve? do they just disregard it? no offense by that im just curious

#171 to #154 - asongulol

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I come from a Christian family, live in a Christian community and work in a Catholic University. Most of us consider the story as a metaphor.

#173 to #171 - infamoustrapper

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for what?

#184 to #173 - asongulol

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God created man (through evolution); he gave us free will; we should be contented and not be greedy. **** like that. It depends upon your own outlook actually. Christianity is not that strict.

#158 to #154 - rainbowrush

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This varies a lot. Most Christians I know believes in God and follows the teachings of Jesus, but doesn't really care about stuff like Adam and Eve, or if God is real or not. Of course they think that God is real, but it can't be proven either way, and shouldn't be put in focus. It's not like the Bible hasn't been edited a billion times, so the only thing that's important in Christianity is Jesus' teachings.

#163 to #158 - infamoustrapper

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Ok that makes sense. what im kindve confused about is how they decide what is essential to the faith and what they can just disregard

#174 to #163 - rainbowrush

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Christianity is essentially the teaching of Christ. You shouldn't just disregard everything else, of course, but this is what's important. Even here there is some ****. For example, in the Bible it says that you go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus. No one I know believes that, and is one of the things that's put in there to get people to convert.

#177 to #174 - infamoustrapper

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but...its in the bible. i dont see how that could be a metaphor or anything. idk just trying to get people to convert? idk...it just all seems like people are forming their own separate religions off christianity that are kindve like it but picking and choosing things that they feel are right and wrong. this is a very ignorant and narrow opinion fyi haha im not really basing this off much but this is just at face value

#188 to #177 - asongulol

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That's what I like about Christianity. No one really forces you to believe or do anything you don't want. There is no brainwashing. I'm Christian and I don't even believe in heaven and hell. I just follow Christ's teachings. Love thy neighbor. Follow the ten commandments.

#183 to #177 - rainbowrush

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The Bible was edited several times (mostly cause of the Catholic church) long after Jesus was dead.

"Love thy neighbor. Don't care about his skin or orientation. Be accepting of people who are different than you. Also, if you don't believe in me, you go to hell no matter what."
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#87 to #67 - supermegasherman

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not always, no. i mean sometimes they contradict each other but since neither can be truly "proven" then its just accepted that way

#94 to #87 - infamoustrapper

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but...adam and eve. i just thought thats what they believed

#96 to #94 - supermegasherman

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right, so since no one can definitely prove either theory, people actively practice doublethink including myself

#98 to #96 - infamoustrapper

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doublethink? as in from 1984? or was it thought of before that. and thats when a person believes in 2 contradicting things at the same time right?

#116 to #98 - supermegasherman

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yep 1984. you got it. anyway yeah thats pretty much it

#44 to #6 - Lautart

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Well that's interesting. I am taking my Confirmation classes and the first day the teacher made a joke about evolution. She said it's dumb because she can't still breathe underwater. Almost everyone laughed. I died a little.

#43 to #6 - koombine

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How

#38 to #6 - anon id: bd9f7267

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As arkfire said and was negative thumbed for, that's simply not true. There is an incredibly distinct difference between saying that Christianity accepts the theory of evolution (which is does not) and stating that it's not directly in conflict with many of Christianity's teachings.

#33 to #6 - xeternalx **User deleted account**

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i wish the people at my school would at least read or study a little bit about evolution before dismissing it, but instead they listen to a teacher, who claims a lot of ******** like, "i prayed to a person with Spina bifida, and amazingly before my eyes it bent and healed to normal."

#30 to #6 - anon id: b533f180

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are you sure its not just evolution instead of the theory of evolution. They are different even though some people think otherwise

#7 to #6 - arkfire

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That is not true.

#8 to #7 - mattdoggy

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

#9 to #8 - arkfire

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I meant most of Christianity doesn't believe in evolution.

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#18 to #9 - spamalope

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....yeah they do....

#17 to #9 - OsamaBinLadenz

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As a Christian, I think here's evolution is a solid theory, supported by much evidence, and anyone who doesn't believe in it is a dumbass conservative redneck.

#10 to #9 - lordlolland

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Most American Christians doesn't believe in evolution.
America is not the only country in the world with Christian residents, nor is it the one with most, but its population certainly is the most vocal about it.

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#19 to #10 - spamalope

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Actually I am an American Christian and solidly believe in evolution :D

#89 to #19 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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Sorry about that, I was signed out. Same question as below though.

#216 to #89 - spamalope

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Ah ok

#164 to #89 - spamalope

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Oh here's the way it works, I believe in God, but I believe he made the main roots of all animals. I don't exactly believe in the whole "Adam and Eve" part of the bible, for the bible has been changed a good amount for how long it has been passed on. So basically my theory is that god created Earth but it wasn't just like "BOOM! ANIMALS OUT OF ****** NO WHERE!" It was much more of a soft change

#202 to #164 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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I guess, but the Bible says that it is completely true, and if one part is false, then the whole thing must be false. What does the creation story mean, if it is not the creation story?

#203 to #202 - spamalope

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There are many parts of the bible that very well could be false. The amount of times it has been passed down has caused it to change a good few times

#204 to #203 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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It's pretty ridiculous to think that the original story of the creation of the world was messed up. Even if it was slightly messed up, there isn't much room for evolution. Also, if one part of the bible is messed up, then how do we know if the core beliefs aren't also messed up?

#205 to #204 - spamalope

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Well thats the thing, we don't. Its scary I know but you have no way of telling whats right and wrong. Hell for all we know we could turn into flying fish people when we die and our god could be a half monkey half hippo monster who eats babies, but we don't know for sure. We can never know until we die.

#206 to #205 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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Right. I figure that Christianity has more evidence for it than other religions, because it wasn't created within one time period. The Bible was created over a very long time, and the fact that it's even coherent is impressive. But evolution has a lot of evidence too, so I don't know.

#207 to #206 - spamalope

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Exactly why I have them coexist.

#208 to #207 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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But they don't coexist. At least not very well. It's all very confusing. Though I suppose believing that Jesus died for me is the only really important thing to believe in, so I don't have to worry too much.

#209 to #208 - spamalope

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Two major things you need to believe in is God and that Jesus died for your sins. That's all Christianity is. That and avoiding sinning like crazy

#210 to #209 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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Well the God thing is kind of obvious. Yeah, I'm not so great at the avoiding sins bit...

#211 to #210 - spamalope

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Same...

#212 to #211 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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Porn kinda sucks huh? That's what I have problems with. Other sins are easier to avoid, like being mean to people, or swearing. Well maybe not swearing.

#214 to #212 - spamalope

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Those are my only problems too. But the only ones you aren't suppose to say is God Damn and Oh my God, or just use God's name in vain in general

#215 to #214 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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The bible also says not to be vulgar, but maybe that's like a proverbs things, where it just suggests it. Proverbs is a pretty good book, lots of advice in it.

#213 to #212 - justthisonepost **User deleted account**

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Ok, so I have a problem with swearing too

#165 to #164 - spamalope

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*ok

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Can you explain to me how that works? I'm in a weird place. I want to believe in God, but the evidence for evolution is undeniable. How can the two coexist?

#13 to #10 - arkfire

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Chinese Christians and central and south Americans as well.

#11 to #10 - dafunkad

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thank you, i was about to say the same thing,

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