Gun Patrol

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IouUsPsUg4Y

Yeah I do too, I mean my does that too.

It should be legal because the government doesn't have to say "No, that's bad" and take it away. We should legalize all drugs and let the stupid people kill themselves off. deal with it

still shouldn't be letting call of duty love'in 14 year olds have access to goddamn automatic weapons, don't you agree? which isn't a restriction issue, it's a parenting issue

i don't think you understand the concept of "the government has to pay for medical fees for all those drug-related illnesses and deaths"

they don't in the US

last time i checked, canada wasn't a "commie state"
and i doubt the emergency services would just look at a dying person and say: no money? no service.
defeats the whole purpose of having emergency services

Except what about all the innocents that would be killed from drunk 15 year olds driving down the street?

The world would be a scary-ass place if there were no laws.

I only said no laws with these intoxicants. If it were my way every murderer would be dead within a week of their trial.

That's drugs.

The difference is that with guns, stupid people have a tendency to kill other people before themselves.

i was only talking about drugs in that post. stupid people shouldn't be allowed to come near a weapon

I don't think you understand the concept of basic human empathy

fuck everyone they can die

everyone has the right to pursue happiness as long as they dont subtract from anothers happiness. i believe it is ok to to do drugs if thats what you want to do. there isnt anything wrong with using the substance just misusing it. guns dont kill people. people kill people. drugs dont make you an addict. you let yourself become one. i have a good friend that works 14 hours a day to pay child support on two kids he only gets to see twice a year. hes an amazing person and he just happens to like doing heroin after work to help hm wind down. he isnt harming anyone but himself. he does everything he is supposed to do. he takes care of himself. thats why i say it isnt the drugs or the guns that are fucking our world up, its the individual that makes all the difference.

tl;dr heroin is still bad but i wont judge anyone.

Heroin should be legal... people that use drugs are not criminals, they are addicts that need health care, not prison time. main purpose of drugs is make a person feel happy, the main purpose of a gun is to kill.

his point is that heroin is that OP's logic shouldn't be applied to drugs, or much to ANYTHING because that's just fucking stupid.

"heroin doesn't inject itself, so there's nothing wrong with it"

is what scorcho is trying to call a stupid logic.

Which is true I must say.

the part where you get incredibly addicted is the problem... people are willing to kill for heroin, if you legalize it you increase the people addicted and when they run out of money (since you would have to tax it to shit) they will start doing stupid shit for their next fix

Not if that's not the reason you own the gun... Some people just like guns or like shooting targets.

I know FJ doesn't like opinions but i'm going to post mine.

If heroin was made legal, would you go out and buy some? Probably not.
The government should stay out of peoples habits.
Why should they tell me what I can and can't put in my body

doesn't apply if someone else puts something into your body, a bullet for example.

True, but why would someone try injecting you with heroin?

not the point. all i was saying is that the argument "guns don't kill people" is completely flawed.

No dumbass, you're taking it too literally...

-.-

But just like guns, it all depends on the person. Heroin does nothing harmful to anybody just sitting in the needle untouched just like a bullet does nothing just sitting in the magazine not being fired. Heroin has zero good uses, while guns do, believe it or not. Besides, 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. Don't let one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

It just depends on your perspective of the situation
For example a wise man once said, "Saying that guns kill people is like saying pencils make spelling errors." Both are tools, used to aid men. They can be used for good, or they can be used for evil.

TL;DR: Dont be a little butthurt faggot and blindly insult people's intelligence just because they have a different opinion than you.

Guns protect people. Heroin doesn't protect people.

If nobody had gotten a gun, then they would've used knives. That's how that shit worked when guns weren't invented. besides, taking away guns now wouldn't get rid of all of the ones that were made, and some people would even be able to make more. In addition, once you outlaw guns, guess who owns all the guns when all is said and done? The criminals.

Guns do protect people, the exact same way pepper spray protects women. Should we outlaw pepper spray? I mean, if your idea of protection is a shield, then pepper spray should be outlawed because it's more of a weapon than a shield. Pepper spray isn't going to jump in front of a rapist.

>Guns protect people

If there were no guns accessible to civilians to begin with, there won't be a problem with shootings in the first place.

Good luck taking away guns from people. America is so full of guns anyway. Plus drug cartels from Mexico would just send in more. The only people who would have guns are the people who use them illegally.

Oh I never said guncontrol in US would work. With people crying out "Right to bear arms" and the constitution, and the fact that it's scattered everywhere, it wouldn't work.


All I'm pointing out is the fallacy of the people who think guns are completely innocent in crimes.

...you realize most people who commit shooting sprees don't have their guns legally?

>Columbine Shooting

>Virginia Tech

>Sandy Hook (It was his mother's, who acquired it legally)

>Columbine = "Robyn Anderson, a friend of Klebold and Harris, bought the shotguns and the Hi-Point 9mm Carbine at The Tanner Gun Show in December of 1998 from unlicensed sellers. Because Anderson purchased the guns for someone else, the transition constituted an illegal "straw purchase." Klebold and Harris bought the TEC-DC9 from a pizza shop employee named Mark Manes, who knew they were too young to purchase the assault pistol, but nevertheless sold it to them for $500."

>VA Tech = Unfortunate.

>Sandy Hook = HIS MOTHER'S.

my mistake on Columbine

>Sandy Hook- his mother bought it legally. I'm guessing she bought it to protect herself. Ironic isn't it?

Very ironic.

What a 'Murican thing to say...

What an arrogant Euro-trash thing to say.

Look at my username. Do I sound European to you?

Oh sorry. Your name is so ridiculous that I figured you were just using it as a screen name.

Nice, way to insult somebody's name who doesn't sound Western.

I'm guessing more than half of the world have "ridiculous names"

I'm honestly laughing at how your logic works

so how many times exactly has someone broken into your home with the intention to rape your ugly ass? Never? Not surprising. Plus i live in germany, where there are no gun wielding psychopaths, so i think my chances of survival are pretty decent. It's called civilisation, dude, you should try it sometime.

Dude, don't argue with stupid people. Especially about guns. They don't learn.

Read the "Armed Citizen" section of the NRA magazine and maybe you'll understand guns better.

Germany? No gun wielding psychopaths? Forgetting something?

oh your right. since ive never been robbed i should never be prepared. and not only that, i like having a gun just to go to the range and shoot. if you've never been you can't talk shit. great way to blow off some steam. just having that nice 45 long colt pop in your hand and put a little hole in the paper. i need to buy a shotgun for they limit how many the tube can hold this month....

nothing wrong with shooting on a shooting range.

Or ya know.. use reasonable force to stop the intruder instead of sending a bullet through his skull.

i won't shoot for skull...its harder to hit. central mass mi amigo. Federal Flight 12 gauge with a flight control wad at about 10 yards makes a perfect baseball sized hole.

Heroin is an opiate and thus for a pain reliever. Like morfine.

*morphine

My bad, my swedish sneaked in there a bit. (morfin)

Morfine and opiates are very dangerous in the wrong hands as well. I really don't care about either side of the gun debate. But if you say guns doesn't kill people you should agree that heroin doesn't either.

It's a pain reliever. But in the wrong hands, deadly.

How about if I broke into your house with a gun and shot you whilst you slept?

my dogs are fucking motion detectors. i have one in the living room in a crate, and 1 in each bedroom. good luck.

but if you did...well...i guess i would be dead. in your scenario there is nothing i could have done. all my doors stay locked...breaking glass would be loud...the garage is RIGHT beside my 1 dog in the living room. the main door makes this weird airy sound whenever it opens or closes from the air rushing out of the canister thing at the bottom so it doesn't slam. ive tried my damnest to not make my dogs go off but that door always gets me. and the creaky ass wooden one behind it sucks too.

Meh, I don't even know where I was going with that.

....and also...why would you shoot me in my sleep? why not just slam a knife through my throat and bring it forward? my lungs would be full of blood before i even wake up. why fire a loud gun and alert everyone? you would get COVERED in blood though....30 feet of blood spray man! but in that case a knife would be a better tool than a gun

Well, let me plan this out...

1.I'd bring dog food or steaks to please your dogs and keep them quiet.
2.My pistol (choose one) would have a suppressor to minimize sound.
3.I'd probably wear a thick coat that covers most of my body, just in case your dogs try to bite me... bit of padding. Wear a ski mask aswell
4. I would just lift the lock from your window and remove the window.
5. Feed dogs
6. Try to stay away from doors and step on the inside of stairs to reduce sound.
7. Slowly open your door and shoot you, whilst you're either still asleep or before you can react.
8. Seeing as you don't live alone I have a short window of time before the dogs have woken eveybody else up... I could either kill the rest of them or leave... I'd probably leave.
9. I don't care about getting caught because I'm mental (in this scenario) I'd probably go and turn myself in anyway.

Either that or just run in and spray and pray.

i see one flaw in your plans.....we have no stairs!

the little yappy one will just fucking bark even if it knows who it is. I DON'T GET IT! Bringing girls home is a nightmare, everyone gets woken up and the girl is like "um.....do they care?" my family does not give 1 fuck though who i bring home ;)

Your logic: Guns aren't bad!

"i might just pop you''

You're the reason why guns should be illegal.

Also, guns are "bad" dipshit, their purpose is to harm others, or to end a life. That's what they were made for, you can't argue differently.

and be right back. i need to go scold my gun on how bad it is. how dare it just sit there and only do what i tell it to do! gee i better yell at my car too CARS KILL PEOPLE OH MY GOD. knives are bad, tall buildings are bad too! thats just asking for people to kill themselves!

and watch out for the dihydrogen monoxide, that is REALLY bad, that kill plenty of people every year! we should outlaw that too!

there purpose is to harm bad people.
and yes when my words are turned against me, that is frustrating, thus the joking threat.
There is no reason guns should be illegal. it really scares me thinking about how ugly its going to get if they ban them. What ever happened to this country being ran by the people? its turning into the government making silly rules for "our safety" little people can't design their home to fit themselves because its "dangerous" for normal sized people. THATS YOUR OWN FUCKING PROPERTY! tell me how ANYTHING you do on YOUR property is any of their business as long as no one else is being harmed or disturbed? it shouldn't be, but they make it their business. soon i won't even be able to take my handgun to the range.

"tell me how ANYTHING you do on YOUR property is any of their business as long as no one else is being harmed or disturbed?"

That's the thing, you CAN'T trust everyone who owns a gun to not commit the same crime done in Connecticut.

You're trying to make a promise that EVERY gun owner will keep to themselves. That's just not possible.

And the analogies you're making do not make sense. You're comparing pebbles to mountains here.

http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm give that a read

about .1% of CCW holders lose their permit due to gun related crime. so yes, clearly the law abiding citizens are the problem.

about 1/4 of all guns used in crimes are actually legally owned by the criminal.

That doesn't help your cause...

You just showed me that even people licensed and TRUSTED with guns can be dangerous.

In other words: Guns aren't safe in the hands of anyone.

let me break it down a bit simpler....if im a legal gun owner...and i have a CCW....in the grand scheme of things...there is less than a 1% chance that i will murder someone, or even shoot someone besides self defense. you take away the Concealed permit and it does go up a bit, because it is easy to walk into walmart and buy a gun if your record is clean.

But there's still a chance you're going to murder someone...

Also, what the fuck are you talking about? It just seems like you're spouting random gun facts at me.

if the US would teach proper gun safety and have a better system for finding crazies it would be MUCH better...you can make explosives in your house and go bomb a school. you won't take as many with you, but youll still be a fucking celebrity. crazy people are crazy. and if murder is in your heart...your gonna kill. plain and simple. whether it be with a gun, knife, bomb, or a car.

Guns make it easier to kill...

What you're saying is... it's okay to make it easy for people to kill because they're going to kill anyway.

You're an absolute fuckin idiot, and I refuse to engage any further in a conversation with you.

You are a thickheaded, completely ignorant dipshit, that is EXTREMELY deluded.

Just fuckin face it, GUNS MAKE IT EASIER TO KILL PEOPLE. What people are trying to do by outlawing it is to make the damage people can do to others minimal.

We might as well fuckin have nuclear bombs ticking in all of our basements, because we're just going to kill anyways, right?



Out of all my months on FunnyJunk, you are by far the BIGGEST fuckin idiot I have come across. Words can not even describe how ignorant and narrow minded you are.

whats the difference between a liberal and a sewer rat......some people actually like sewer rats.

ive said it many times that crazies are the problem. people who want to murder will murder, but most people will not. guns do make it easier to kill people...but so does no resistance

harmed or disturbed in a way that they can't affect....coming into my house and you tripping is not my fucking fault. but me playing VERY loud music so that the neighbors are bothered, yes, that should be illegal, your shit is invading their property at that point.

and thirdly they use Assault rifle for anything that looks scary...go read the fucking definition...a semi-auto rifle on an assault rifle base IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE....its a semi-auto rifle, nothing more.

now their trying to say shotguns have too many rounds and they are going to ban online sale of ammo....so now you HAVE to buy it instantly? your getting rid of a 7 day waiting period caused by shipping?

It can be used as a medicine.
Also, heroine is just a tool people use to get high.

Knives, baseball bats, fists, doesn't matter. People are violent, aggressive, and prone to killing each other over trivial matters. Before we had gun we just killed each other with whatever we had. MFW people think if guns are taken away anything will change, the killers will just get more creative. I agree that more gun control could be introduced, but people are violent.

So what you're saying is, "fuck it, they'd kill each other anyways, might as well give them a tool to kill the maximum amount of things in the minimum amount of time."

Let's take a clinical look at the mass killings. Near 1000 rounds expended at Colorado, hundred of other shots were fired, and the death tolls were not actually that high, compared to bombings in Isreal, or Hamas. Hell, mines in Egypt, Vietnam, and Cambodia kill more kids a year than guns, but everyone is being spooked by American childrens deaths. I'm sorry for the loss of those people, but banning guns will not make that issue disappear. Several rural families rely on guns to protect their farmland and property from thieves and such, and be perfectly honest. If you had a gun, for personal use, on your belt, and you were at a mall, and you saw a gunman gunning down children and innocent people, would you not shoot him? Many would be robbers and mass murderers are stopped by average joes with their concealed carry license, but the media does not make money from "Joe Schmoe saves woman from rapist in alleyway shooting, gets 2 years of trials, is put on a watch list, and is ostracised at large?" The media makes money from fear, excitement, and politics. And a gun is not the end all be all of weapons. Seriously? Remove guns, and we'll see worse. Let's think, how bout some bombs. Fertilizer, propane tanks, H2S, all easily accessible, and extremely dangerous. Park a fertilizer bomb van in front of a school at lunch, hide bucket sized homemade bombs around a mall, disguised as backpacks, the list goes on. Guns are not magical death spitting assault weapons, they spit little metal projectiles smaller than a thumb usually, to kill someone would take a lot of ammo, time, or accuracy. A home made bomb, or stabbing someone in a subway station? Simple.

TL;DR
You're a little late

I think he is saying that even if we did ban guns the only thing that would be different is the way people are murdered, and if we banned guns we couldnt hunt which would create a giant incline in animal population which the ecosystem would be prepared for.

I doubt it. It's much harder to do drive-bys or just walk up and stab someone. Most gun related violence would be in the ghettos and hoods of large cities. I think the death rate would go down tremendously. We need hunting though to keep the ecosystem intact, but hunting of the species that aren't supposed to be in any given ecosystem needs to go up.

The only problem with that is that people in the ghetto tend to not follow the law, especially if they're someone who would kill a person.

wouldnt*

See my reply to Crusader. Knives and baseball bats aren't designed to kill. Yeah, people are aggressive. So how about we don't make it so easy for them to get their hands on deadly machines that can be used to easily kill people? Guns are, by design, built to help them kill others. You're not going to see a newspaper headline saying "School stabbing, 20 children dead", because that's really fucking inefficient. Maybe we shouldn't be giving people easy ways to turn their anger into murder.

That's ironic, I believe a man in China recently stabbed 20-30 school children. It's not the US though isn't it.

Knives can be used for chopping food
Baseball bats are for playing baseball, they're not called killing bats
Fists are clenched hands, and hands have millions of uses
Guns are only used for killing

In this modern age you can use them for competitions, hunting, a lot of people forget that. A lot of competition shooters have never fired at a living being in their life, animal or human, but make their living by a gun. Farmers, outdoorsmen.

Guns can be used for marksmanship
Nail guns are used for nailing stuff together
potato gunsa re used to launch potatos, and occasionally messages

I can say that explosives are used JUST to kill people, but they aren't, that's an ignorant viewpoint, they have non-lethal uses as well, jsut like everything else, saying that guns are just killing machines, is like saying that dynamite is just a tool for blowing people up, knives are just used for stabbing people, baseball bats are just used for beating people.

I'd rather die from one bullet than get beaten to death by a guy with a baseball bat.

cars kill more people then guns but we don't ban cars. People will find a way to murder each other no matter what.

I'll say it again, slowly, so you can understand.
Guns are tools for killing.
Cars are tools for transportation that are dangerous if used improperly.

The fact that people will try to kill each other anyways is exactly the reason why we shouldn't be giving them tools to do it more efficiently.
You see a pyromaniac, you don't say "well, he'll find a way to burn shit anyways, so we might as well give him a flamethrower". So why would you think that's an acceptable excuse for guns?

implying that citizens possessing lethal weapons for protection purposes doesn't discourage crime and keep the government from gaining too much power over its citizens.

I know a lot of people use Hitler as an example much too often, but in his power he completely made guns illegal, and confiscated all deadly firearms. Then he, you know, took absolute and complete control over his citizens.

most guns only kill the bad guys. and no, cops are slow as fuck and rarely get there in time.

google it dude...depending on where you live, and i live in bumfuck, it takes from 7-10 minutes. which is ALOT of time. and they become bad guys when they want my belonging without my permission.

>Implying knives aren't tools for killing

Yes, because a man running around with a knife is so much harder for law enforcement to subdue then a man running around with an ar-15

Well no, depending on the situation either or could be more difficult, in an area that has small rooms and narrow hallways, a knife would be better, because a rifle would just get in the way.
But in the same line of thought, if you are out in a field, a rifle is going to be better than a rifle.

I never said anything close to what you tried to imply, I simply said that knives are tools for killing as much as anything else.

If I was a police officer attempting to subdue a killer in a small building, I would still rather have him have a knife than a fucking firearm.

Well no.
That's just ignorant.
20 pace rule.
WIthin 20 paces a knife is more lethal than a firearm because of the time it takes for a firearm to chamber a new round after each shot, not to mention the amount of time to it takes to at least partially aim.
Someone well trained with close quarters combat will beat someone that is trained to use a gun within 20 paces 9/10 times.

Yes, because there is a building that is only filled with tiny ass room where there won't be room for more than 20 paces. How stupid are you?

Besides, you realize there are PISTOLS, firearms made for compact places. That's why police officers and SWAT teams tend to carry compact SMGs and pistols (beat cops carry this for easier mobility as well).

According to your logic, why arm the entire swat teams with knives when they are clearing a small room?

You have never tried to fire a handgun accurately rapidly have you. A cornered man with a knife within 20 feet is one of the first drills they teach you as an LEO, if they're within 20 feet, you're probably dead if your handgun is not drawn.

No. As a matter of fact, if you look at my username you can guess I'm Korean. In South Korea we have mandatory service so I actually did shoot rifles when I was in the military.

Also, although you maybe right about being in tight corners with a man and a knife, you should also realize how stupid you sound while you are arguing against my point about how firearms are more dangerous than a knife.

Is that what you think? Why not equip troops with better knives than trying to invent a better firearms! I mean, the enemy or criminals are always going to be 20 feet in front of you right?

Rifles and handguns are different. IMO, a handgun is a way to fight to your carbine or rifle. With a handgun, nothing but a CNS shot will take down someone instantly, and motivated people will still stab you with a few 9mm or .45s in their arms or gut. Not necessarily a guarantee, but knives do have their place, and not every LEO is a crack shot with a handgun. Pistol irons get obscured in dark areas, and even with night sights and lights, a lot of people will panic and fire at shapes, and miss the CNS. With a knife, you can easily aim for the throat, it provides more room for error, or nerves. There was a state trooper who once fired his handgun until slide lock at a suspect, missed every shot, then was killed by a single headshot, from within 20 yards.

I apologise for accusing you of ineptitude, but as a sworn LEO, one of the things drilled into me was that knives and bats are no joke, and in a typical house, or department store, they can be far worse than firearms in untrained hands. Yes, someone well trained could put several COM rounds into someone in a few seconds, but not everyone is trained to do that, raking a blade over a throat, or swinging a bat are nearly instinctive. I don't want to argue with you, so I'll take your point, but military tactics and weapons do not always apply to law enforcement issues in the same method. Depending on the building, you are right though, I would prefer a suspect to be armed with a knife. Good day, and thanks for informing me on South Korea's draft policy, I genuinely did not know that.

TL;DR - Good points by you, and I now agree, you are right mostly, just keep in mind that knives can be as deadly as a glock.

Okay, and I apologize coming in to rash to inform you about your opinion. And okay, I understand your point. I think you may have misread my argument and I understand. What I was trying to say was the firearms are more dangerous than knives, however there are cases when knives can be more effective than firearms. I think you misinterpereted me. Thank you for educating me on what you know as an officer. And again I apologize for insulting you while trying to make a point.

I never said that there is a building with only areas with less than 20 paces, but normally during a situation that involves SWAT, they are going to be within 20 paces before anything happens.
The 20 pace rule applies when both parties are ready to draw, but neither has.
20 pace rule still affects pistols, as a pistol is still far less lethal in close quarters than a knife.

According to my logic, is it is a good SWAT team, they should be able to reach the criminal without even having to fire a weapon, 9/10
According to my logic,

Yes, because law enforcement can see a knife inside someone's pocket in the middle of a mall with their x-ray vision. Law enforcement has not been present during any of the recent shootings until after the victims were shot, that point is moot anyways. Hitler, Stalin, most of histories worst mass murders were not done by men who had easy access to guns, they were done by psychos, people who were not right in the head. Rather than banning guns, perhaps the world should take a step back and see what the fuck drives people to these events.

Yes, because you can't hide pistols either.

Australia, UK, South Korea

What do these three countries have in common?
-Firearm regulations
-Less murders then the United States

You must be a fucking idiot. To tell you the truth, I know gun laws won't work in the US, I'm just saying how stupid people like you are who defend firearms and say there's nothing wrong with it.

Knives are tools for cutting fruit, vegetables, bread, and meat, for spreading butter, and tons of other crap. Name something guns are intended for other than killing things or practicing killing things.

target practice, competition, you have nailguns, you have potato launchers to just have fun with,

Knives were originally made in order to be able to hunt and kill things more easily, and have evolved from there.
Who knows, maybe guns will be used for something else in the future.

Yes, I'll go get my .50 cal to go cut up my orange. All my knives are in the washer.

That's what they were used for originally.
Do people forget about nail guns and such?
It's a tool, that's a gun.

.50 cals were not originally made for cutting oranges...

Nail guns came after real guns, and are still very dangerous.

I was saying that knives were originally used to kill people

Kitchen knives came after daggers, and are still very dangerous.
Hell, most knives came after the primitive ones that were use to kill stuff, they didn't use them for construction or preparing stuff, as the earliest known record of humans using knives is for hunting and nothing else.

The first knives were more or less used for cutting up food, which then became a hunting weapon. Guns were invented to kill people, not hunt. Hunting came afterwards.

The first knives were sharp stones, which were used for hunting before other things.
Guns are jsut an evolution of cannons, which are an evolution of ballistae, which was an evolution of bows, which were use for hunting

No, ballistae were not a previous form of cannon. Cannons used gun powder. Ballistae used tension is bows, rather large ones. Neither took the other's place until cannons were improved upon.

The first knives were first used as tools for cutting meat, wood, and other material. They were a tool first and foremost, not a killing device.
http://www.thewiseedge.com/history-of-knives.php
http://www.catalogs.com/info/people/history-of-knives.html
ezinearticles.com/?The-History-Of-Knives---Learn-Where-It-All-Started&id=789979

This is the evolution of knives
Naturally sharp rocks that early man chased animals onto (look at the natives all around the world, they chased animals off of cliffs or into pits that usually had sharp rocks at the bottom) or they took sharp rocks and threw them at the prey.
They then make hard rocks and make sharp things, knives, spears, etc.
Therefore the first "true knives' were tools used for many things, but the first knife-like objects were naturally sharp rocks used for hunting, when we created the knife, we were not thinking of construction like we do today, it was more or less gathering leaves and branches and making a lean-to if anything, since they were mainly nomadic.

As for guns and bows.
First you have the spear/sling which launches a projectile,
That evolves to the bow, which uses a tension string to launch a projectile/sling evolved into the trebuchet and catapault
Then a ballistae which was a larger bow, a larger projectile
The cannon added gun powder in to launch a projectile, yes, the cannon is based roughly off of the ballistae
the cannon then gradually was refined into an arkabus which would have been the equivalent of the crossbow, which then was refined into a musket, then a bolt action, and so on.
Whereas shotguns were refined and stayed the basic cannon idea, but with multiple cannon balls.

I'm not even going to argue with you. I give three perfectly good links supporting my side, and you respond with a comment too long for me to care to read. Ask any archaeologist, knives were used for hunting after they were used for cutting.

I've laid out my argument clearly, the fact that you are to ignorant to even want to read it just makes me question the validity of your argument.
The frist true knives that were made by man were used for cutting, but the first knife-like objects that were used were used for hunting.

Good for you, I don't need someone's opinion on the internet to validate or invalidate the evidence provided. Good day to you, sir.

Knives were originally meant to hunt and kill with and since then are used for tools.
Guns were created to hunt and kill people with, much like the bow, and since then they are a symbol of strength and leadership, just like the sword, which is essentially a giant knife.
You could cut leather with a rifle, just not efficiently.

Ya, but it was funny.

haha i have no ides wtf a schock collar is

It is a collar that shocks you. usually if you leave a certain area.

I'll take 20.

I see no problem with people owning bombs, if only we could trust people to not blow the shit out of other people. But we can't, now can we?

A nuclear bomb can give off hazardous amounts of radiation that can lead to sickness and death.

Not really. There's relatively little actual radioactive material in it. The only way to be seriously harmed would be to live with it in your house for a very long time

which is why they're kept in silos, where they pose no harm to the people
see, perfectly safe

You can safely use firearms.

You can't safely use nuclear devices.

I'm sorry, what?

I meant bombs and you know it.
Way to exploit my change in terminology.

they use the exact same process, bub

literally three posts or so above us we see a parody Twitter account comparing guns to spoons, pencils, and cars. But we aren't allowed to compare them to other objects that share the sole purpose of killing things?

implying i wasn't criticizing the post

a pencils purpose is not to misspell, a cars purpose is not to drive drunk and once a again a spoons purpose is not to make people fat, but a guns purpose is to kill.

A pencil is used to stain paper, but it can be used to misspell words. It can also be used to stab someone in the neck with. A car is used to drive, and it can be used to drive drunk. It can also be used to run people over with. A spoon is used to get food to your mouth. It can be used too much and make you fat, and it can be used to scoop someone's eyes out. A firearm is mainly used for either personal defense, hunting, or for shooting targets, but it can be used for killing people.

Just because something can be used in a bad way doesn't mean it should be banned. Countless people are hit by cars every day, but you don't see people crying out to outlaw cars. Why guns then?

an atom bomb can be used as a means to save us from meteorites and other comets but it can also kill people, lets give everybody an atom bomb. nobody would need a firearm to protect themselves from firearms if there were no firearms. but that said, i'm not even against guns. me and my pop go hunting for christmas every year. but i think the US is way too loose with their gun laws, i mean who needs an AK47 to hunt?

What if you see six deer and you wanna kill them all? I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm no Lee Harvey Oswald.

Ok you win, if i happen to need to kill 6 deer at once, having an AK-47 would be a convenience. because thats a rational and completely valid argument.

Or if three bears came at you at once. Are you just gonna try to club the other two after shooting one?

.44 magnum friendo, six bullets with enough force to kill the bear

But then what if there's seven?

thats why you own two

But what if there's fifteen?

thats why you learned to wrestle bears in highschool

But admiralen,...What if the last one's horny?!

But what if it's a girl?!?!?!?!?!?

call roman and he´ll bowl with it

Wow, someone came through and thumbed down every one of my comments. I feel honored.

But what if Roman wins and the bear get's pissed off?!

then roman shoots it down with his uzi since hes an outlaw and its no longer your problem

But now he has an illegal weapon!

but its ok since roman is a criminal anyway

Driving drunk is illegal. Misspelling something is a mistake that gets erased. Overeating should be illegal.

Guns meant for killing should be illegal. You can keep your hunting rifles and if you kill someone with it, at least it won't be 20 kids in under 5 minutes.

Driving drunk is illegal, killing people is illegal.

Yes, but tools that kill people are not illegal or even monitored.

If we made it so that a gun can only kill one person, instead of many at once, the lives we could save each year as a nation would be massive.

The mother of the Newtown shooter should not have had those guns in the first place, where her mentally unstable son could easily access.

But there's no way to make it to where a gun could only kill one person unless everyone had a gun. The fact that you can fire it more than once quickly is kind of why people use guns instead of bows and arrows.

So you're saying that if everyone had a gun, the person with the quickest gun gets the kill?

Your logic makes no sense. There is no need to have an AK-47. Nor do we need to arm and train TODDLERS in gun use, that's just asking for war in middle school.

You keep your hunting rifles and if you're lucky, kill only half a dozen people. You keep your semi and full automatics and kill three times that. This law wouldn't stop criminals, but that doesn't matter considering that if someone wants to kill you bad enough they'll always find a way, even if you're armed to the teeth.

It would stop the woman from Newtown from having the guns which her son then used to kill 20 little kids. It would prevent the two teenage boys from Columbine from getting easy access to guns.

Wait, are we arguing the same point now? I'm trying to say that banning all guns wouldn't work. What are you trying to say?

Ban guns which are designed only to kill, but allow hunting rifles/ectera that are designed for actual sport (if you can call it that.)

I'm not saying ban all guns either, that would be impossible. I'm just saying limit guns as a preventative measure, like they do with knives.

Oh, then I guess I agree with you. People shouldn't need to own anything other than a shotgun, a hunting rifle or a pistol, but guns shouldn't be illegal.

yes, true but you can use literally anything to kill any one

ok let's have a 1v1 fight, you get a toothpick and i get an AR-15 :)

Okey... ill wait till you're asleep then i'll tie you down and beat you too death. then ill go to Mcdonalds and get an egg mcmuffin.

Awww man, we here in iceland lost our mcdonalds some years ago, not like a ridiculous loss but still, when you don't have it you miss it :P

... what do you have?

Well my favorite is probably subway, but we have dominos,pizza hut, tgi fridays, american style, kfc and probably some more i cant remember. so it's not like our situation is bad :P

what is American Style?

i just realized it isnt xD here is the website www.americanstyle.is/#

yaaaaaaa... thats not in english soo i dont think i can navigate that. does it say where the company is based?

nevermind, it's icelandic, just a very misleading name and theme.

a restraunt very much like T.G.I Fridays. i thought that came from america :P

nope never herd of it unless its from the north. those fuckers are wierd

And bombs blow people up.

That's not an argument for guns. People kill each other so lets allow a tool that lets people kill more people quicker. NO

Making something illegal doesn't make it go away

No it doesn't, but here in Britain where it is illegal, very few people have them. That means when someone loses their shit, they will at the most attack someone, who is able to fight back. Chances are here, when someone absolutely loses it, they don't have a deadly weapon strapped to their leg, and aren't capable of shooting up a school. We haven't had a school shooting here in over a decade, since before gun laws were tightened.

Old people burning.
Old people burning.

toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast.

You should probably be toasting bread not toast. But, hey, extra crispy.

..unless he is fed up with life and just wants to go out with a bang (ha, puns).

now what happens? he shoots some people, someone shoots him, and now someone ELSE shoots the guy who shot the shooter, because fuck, they all look the same.

this is america, if there is demand then there is a guaranteed supply, just like with both prohibitions (booze and guns). wouldnt it be great if psychos couldnt get weapons but i dont think thats possible and I am wary about giving powers to a government full of people that think rape is gods will.

I think we did something once, in the 60s or perhaps 50s, where the biggest heroin bust of all time was found in New York. We discovered France was smuggling heroin and cocaine into America and immediately barred them of all trade with the US until they got their shit together. Perhaps we can do the same thing with guns, just to keep it from the hands of responsible citizens that MIGHT give birth to a psychopath?

Democrats have a tendency to ignore those pro-rape conservatives who just kinda scream a lot about nothing.

innocent until proven guilty, motherfucker

We find 100 guns clearly smuggled from Puerto Rico.

Kind of hard to talk your way around that.

Except that most of those that you stated killed for their ideals... and weren't 18 year old kids with and easy access to guns and ammo.

You know he stole the two handguns right? Its illegal to own a pistol under the age of 21.

I gave an example of a kid who shot up a school... It doesn't matter... Try and see the big picture.

Absolutely the big picture is that Sandy Hook, Aurora theater, and the Brookfield Mall shootings were all carried out by people that were certifiably insane. In the case of the guy that shot up the Aurora he was crazy his psychiatrist knew it but was powerless to do anything to stop him she could proscribe him medication but couldn't make him take. She didn't have any power to have him committed or observed. Once again this isn't an issue of gun control, its a mental health care issue.

He's not the only kid that shot up a school.

Nearly all school shootings are attributed to bullying. And same thing there's very little done in adolescent mental health care.

Thus proving that the USA has a big problem in its very core.

Blame the right problem.

There are too many problems. And you are not dealing with them properly.

Prey tell oh master of political and moral design tell me how will solve our problems for us.

By not changing the subject to "You know he stole the two handguns right?" and giving a proper argument to what I said in the first place.

Sorry you didn't understand my point. How would adding a new law prevent people from getting guns when the person was breaking the law possessing the weapons in the first place.

I never mentioned anything about the idea of introducing a new law..

1. You can't compare terrorism (IRA) to civilians carrying out mass shootings. It is not the same thing.
2. Saying things like "Germany had a shooting in 2009" shows how weak your position is, you have one example from three years ago, the US had 16 mass shootings last year alone. USA gun murder rate: 10.2 / 100,000 German gun murder rate: 1.10 / 100,000, not to mention accidental gun deaths. This isn't exactly rocket science

This is why Europeans seem so arrogant to you, were are literally amazed at how in love with killing each other you all are.

The Murder rate in United States is so vastly skewed due to the drug problem in our country. Nearly half of all murders in the US are related to drugs. And the US murder rate in 2011 was 3.59 per 100,000 last year not 10.

Sorry, but I must say you are a very poor debate partner.

I don't understand what you're debating. From what i understood overwhelmingly skimming through the comments that there should be stricter gun laws and regulations.

Well said.

77 people gunned down on an island

? No in Oslo,Norway.

If youre talking about 22 july, wich im pretty sure you are, it was on utøya.
I live in norway and i know this ._.
I think it was about 67 shot though, about 10 got killed in the explosion IN OSLO

Ah I didn't realize that the were two separate events done by the same guy.

Nope, one thing all of these shootings have had in common was that everyone of the shooters were crazy. People knew it but were powerless to do anything about it.

for starters, AMERICANS got there freedom from fighting off the British tyrants that were over taxing its people in the colonies. The whole reason why we can have guns is because we don't want dick head power hungry monarchists to rule us with an iron grip.

You have no idea what you're talking about you just want to get a reaction out of someone. Either add something constructive or sign in and accept your red tide like a man and/or woman.

but it makes you feel like you have a big dick

its so tiny that when i was fucking your mom, she was all like "is it in" and shit

A good fuck would probably smooth things over. But some people take thumbs seriously. I don't really care that much but anon's on FJ are exploiting the fact that they can just say stupid infuriating shit get thumbed down and not get banned.

If nothing else it give closure.

Thats true but that takes effort

Yeah that's what I think, the point isn't that the guns are some kind of living organism which kill people by themselves, it's just that having guns legalised makes killing people so much easier and someone with homicidal thoughts might otherwise think against murdering someone if they didn't have a gun at their disposal.

liberal faggot you can move yourself to a place with gun control (if you aren't already there)

I do, thank god, live in Ireland, dipshit.

And I don't belong to any political party.

I have heard anti-gun people say owning a gun makes you more likely to kill someone. And there are anti-gun people that get legitimately scared when they are in the presence of a fire arm because they think they are in danger.

Well it is true the owning a gun makes you more likely to kill someone, many gun murders are done in the heat of the moment, because they have a gun then and there.


I live in Ireland, guns are completely illegal, not even police have guns. 0.4 out of 100,000 die every year to guns in Ireland, it was over 11 out of every 100,000 in America, that's a clear difference.

crazy people be crazy. i don't even understand how people do that. when people threaten me, i call the fucking cops. i don't act like a big man and bring out my gun. you will only see my gun if my life is in immediate danger. so i want you to sit there and tell me im a danger to society and i don't deserve to protect myself

You are one person with a gun, I don't know you, nothing you say can convince me your a sane person over the internet....

Your gun is one of an obscene amount in America, millions upon millions. Now you tell me that no people in America have anger issues, can be a bit crazy, and maybe give in to a second of impulse.

yep insane people exist...SO GET RID OF THE INSANE PEOPLE...id be fine with a psych test before you can buy guns. but don't take away my ability!

You don't have to be insane, I mean come on, a fairly big percentage of gun murders are done in the heat of the moment, and even if it wasn't a fair few, even if it was only one, isn't one enough?

a fair amount of people don't rob houses because they thing "....dude...what if that guy has a gun!" guns are a bigger deterrent than anything. bro i got friends who have schematics for a fully auto mac 10 and yes, they have the tools in their garage to make it...and they make suppressors as well. youll never get rid of the guns. you should teach your kids about, teach them proper gun handling and why you NEVER pull one out unless you are going to shoot. know your target and whats behind it, so on and so forth. all these murderers were probably just kids who didn't get their ass beat enough. THEY are the problem. taking away guns does nothing except create chaos. but they are being smart by "grandfathering" guns will just slowly disappear until all of our teeth are gone...and then the government has us. we literally have no way to fight back with anything. and suddenly a ground fight on US soil isn't so insane for other countries.

I've owned guns for awhile now. My friend has had them since he was 10, and I know many many other people that have owned various firearms for years. You know what we all have in common? We havent killed anyone. We dont want to kill anyone. Owning a gun does NOT make you more likely to kill someone.
The desire to kill someone makes you more likely too.
You give me cold hard proof and Ill believe you. Until that day, that thought process is total bullshit.

I'm quite sure that the fact that if I moved to America, I'm over 20 times more likely to be shot is proof enough...

Those people own guns because they want to kill people, not kill people because they own guns.
Besides I'ved lived outside of Baltimore, highest murder rate in America for 19 years, proud to say I've never been shot.

But according to your logic, people who kill people with guns just want to kill people, and would do it without guns anyway. So why am I at less risk here in Ireland?

We have crazy people too....

Because you have less people, less people who want to kill people, less gangs, less black market for illegal weapons. Honestly most of it is that you have less gangs trying to kill each other.
Unfortunately this is a crime ridden country, but its not because of an inanimate object pushing its non-existant will on people to do its non-existant bidding.

When I'm talking about murders here and America, I'm talking percentage per people, not total kills, so population has nothing to do with it.

Ireland most certainly does have gangs, and until recently, we had the IRA. Personally, I feel a lot safer without guns, if someone tries to break in to my house, they aren't going to have a gun, and they won't panic and shoot me, and I won't panic and shoot them either.

I never said you didnt have gangs, we just have more. Alot more.
I feel safer with guns. A good part is that, it is more likely for a criminal here to have a gun so I want to protect my self against that, but when it comes down to it, criminals are criminals. They dont obey the law, thats why they are criminals. Why should they care if guns are illegal? If they can get them they will. And the thing with America is that if they tighten on restrictions or do an all out ban, that will just mean people like me wont get to have guns to protect themselves, and since guns and a black market for guns has always been in America, it will be easier for criminals here to get guns then criminals there.

if anything your more protected. i wanna hang around with the guy with the gun for as long as i can

The name justifies it.