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User avatar #686 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
OK, FJ, I'm gonna try something called "reasoning" (yeah, I know, bad habit of mine):

Several hobbies that would suit her age (regardless of gender):

-Chess
-Ikebana
-Musical instrument (guitar/drums/bass/piano/whatever)
-Fencing
-Ping-Pong
-Defensive Martial Arts (like Aikido, don't let me catch you with MMA or other testosterone-heavy stuff)

Now, out of all of these potential hobbies that are constructive in at least one way (body & mind improvement, aesthetic constructiveness and such), WHY do you people consider so appropriate to receive a BLOODY FIREARM that is almost half her size and who's sole purpose it to destroy stuff?!...
User avatar #846 to #686 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Starting here, since we've reached our reply limit on the other reply line. And I studied, and still do study, politics. Just because my primary job is a rifleman doesn't mean I can't know how to do anything else. Then again, I can't expect someone as closed-minded as you to know that without haven't it spelled out for you, can I? And that's part of my point: America is ****** UP! We have stupid people and greedy, corrupted government. So how the **** is it being paranoid to expect the government to take advantage of us? How is it paranoid when the government is training marines (not me, I'm in the Army, not the Marine Corps) to operate within the US borders, the US is using drones to spy on it's own people, taking away their means of defense, and trying to move to socialism? I am not paranoid, and you are an ignorant, naive asshat. Please stay in Europe, we have enough idiots to deal with here in the US, thank you.
User avatar #878 to #846 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
>Implying that US Government actually uses drones to spy on its population, when it has Facebook with all you retards reporting every **** you take on it.
>Implying socialism is "something evil, boo-hoo-hoo, keep Satan's socialism away from us".
FYI, the countries with the best standard of living ARE socialist (take Finland, for instance).

You want actually stupid and greedy individuals running the Parliament & Government?! Come to my country, grunt.
At least YOU have actual politicians, who have been in politics for generations and (with a few exceptions) don't actually get there without a serious background.

BELIEVE ME when I tell that your Government is not even a quarter as evil and greedy as you think it is, you paranoid.

"Taking away their means of defense". Yes, since a firearm is THE ONLY POSSIBLE means of defense.

Here's the irony: You pride yourself with "AMERICAN FREEDOM, ************ !", yet you claim that your Government is controlling you and your private freedom.

IF there is anything that your Government controls, then that is your mind.
You see conspiracy theories everywhere, the Government is evil, the Government is bla-bla-bla, yet you're the same chaps that pride with ultimate freedom, keeping you in a state of mass paranoid-schyzophrenia, or to put it mildly, subconscious confusion.

IF the Government is so ******* evil as you say, WHY THE **** would you give it the ultimate proof of your trust, which is YOUR VOTE?!
IF the Government is so ******* evil as you say, WHY THE **** would you ENROLL IN ITS SERVICE?!
User avatar #923 to #878 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
To answer your last two questions, because I won't be part of it when it happens, and when it does happen I can give my training to others if that is what it comes to, plus I get free college and awesome training in areas that are useful for the private sector.

I voted for someone who would have shrunk the government and fixed the economy. Obama is evil. Romney was easily the lesser of two evils. Socialism/communism works well, I understand that. However, Capitalism works so much better. I don't equivocate Socialism with Satan, unlike you I actually understand both systems. And how the **** do I fight off Marines without explosives or guns? A sword? Dumbass. And yes, it's as bad as I say it is. Don't believe me? Obama approves drone strikes on areas free of Al Qaeda members. What's more, he has the gall to pay off people to say that drone technology isn't as accurate as the video games say they are. However, I actually know people who ******* FIRE THE DAMN THINGS and they are every bit as accurate as portrayed in Call of Duty. Now I am not saying that this is what happened, (let me reiterate this since people like you LOVE to take things out of context, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED) but I wouldn't be surprised if the Obama magical fairy princessistration planned the Aurora/Newtown shootings to get people to want more gun control.

If the government controlled my mind they wouldn't have me hating them. That's just....good God.

And as far as greedy, our government practices economic policies that slowly forces the private sector to its knees and transfers all of the peoples money into its own wallet. So yeah, we are pretty evil and greedy. The whole American Freedom deal no longer applies. Not since Obama took office. We have had 17,000 pages of new legislation from his cronies ALONE. I would love to restore America to its former glory, but I just don't see how that's gonna happen right now.
User avatar #1125 to #923 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
I'm not talking "mind control", per se. Just the methods of keeping the intellect of the majority dull.

And honestly... you can stop at the "Obama is evil". Now I realize your mental capacity and feel sorry for you, you poor thing.
User avatar #1127 to #1125 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Oh, now I just read the last paragraph. Well ******************** , I had a gut feeling when I called you a loonie as big as Dave Mustaine or Ted Nugent, because those 2 ********* also believe that Obama staged those shootings so he can ban guns.

I would also like to point that you're willing to believe that your President can stage some mass shootings, but find it so hard to believe that the US Government ALLOWED Pearl Harbor and 9/11 to take place.
User avatar #1133 to #1127 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
There is no evidence period to suggest that we knew Pearl Harbor would happen, and there isn't conclusive evidence to support the conspiracy theories behind 9/11, and I only said I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way. And yeah, Obama IS evil, he should be impeached and tried. But you haven't heard about the Benghazi cover-up, have you? Of course you haven't. But that doesn't matter! I have a different opinion than you do about gun control so everything I say about anything is wrong! Obama is an evil man who cares nothing for human rights or life. Don't believe me? Look at his drone bombing campaign, look at his proposed legislation, and look at Benghazi. Please stop acting all high-and-mighty, as though you know what's going on. But, answer this first: WHY THE **** DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS THAN AN AMERICAN WHO ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THIS **** !?
User avatar #1136 to #1133 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
"Obama is an evil man who cares nothing for human rights or life"

Last time I checked, Obama was pro gay marriage (i.e. basic civil rights for people with other sexualities) and clearly he is NOT anti-abortion (pro-life, my ass).

There is no evidence that your Government knew about Pearl Harbor? How about the fact that the Japanese codes were broken long before Pearl Harbor?
No evidence against the Government allowing 9/11? How about the owner of the World Trade Center, Silverstein, that in that very day made a 99 year ensurance contract (from what I remember), DOUBLED, since there were 2 towers?!
Or the fact that his family, in that very day, were told not to be at work?

There are dozens more evidences against those 2 incidents than the mindless, redneck worthy idea of the President staging some shootings.

So, once again, I need not hear more from you than "Obama is an evil man" to realize your intellectual capacity.
User avatar #1141 to #1136 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
I cant believe this. I even capitalized it so you wouldn't mistake it: I DON'T BELIEVE HE STAGED THE SHOOTINGS! I just said I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out he did. And he made his gay rights stand SIX ******* MONTHS AGO, and only said it to gain votes for his re-election. Again, YOU KNOW NOTHING OF AMERICAN ******* POLITICS! And, again, I said no CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE! And we didn't break Japanese naval codes because we had no reason to. Why would we ever want to break their codes to begin with? Again, you suppose you know American politics and history BUT YOU ******* DON'T! Just stop trying you insolent little **** , you're making yourself fit the holier-than-thou stereotype we have for Europeans.
User avatar #1149 to #1141 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
"we didn't break the Japanese code because we had no reasons to"

Are you ******* retarded? (Don't answer that)
Ever heard of counter-intelligence during wartime (inb4 US was not yet in WW2)?!

"Busting Codes and Foreign Agents

Despite US Secretary of State Henry Stimson’s oft-quoted comment that “gentlemen do not read each other’s mail,” by 1941, the United States had built a world-class intelligence capability.

After World War I, American intelligence efforts focused on code breaking and counterintelligence operations against Germany and Japan. "

www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-grade/operation-history/history-of-american -intelligence.html

Bloody ******* idiot.
User avatar #1157 to #1149 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
I have a counter argument to that, but I will not address it until you address mine:
Why do you think you know more about American politics than I do, when you clearly don't? There. You have nothing else to counter or answer. Answer that.
User avatar #1174 to #1157 - tkfourtwoone (01/05/2013) [-]
Because of several reasons:

- The fact that I don't live in the US gives me a privileged position of that of an observer; not being in the middle of it all grants one a certain degree of objectivism, being able to see the grand picture of things
- The fact that you ARE world's #1 military & economically superpower, go figure, makes the rest of the world keep an eye on your economics (or rather, your economical policies), because, guess what, we're inadvertently affected by what you do
- Third (and the smallest of reasons) is because, living in a country rather close to the Middle East, it is of particular importance of us what conflicts/military actions the US directs in the region

Also, there is the fact that Americans (well, the majority of them) are very narrow-minded, 90% of the time think that the world is America and a few other countries, so they wouldn't know nor be informed on how living in other countries is like, how implementing different social and economical measures work!
That's the reason I mentioned Finland (and the other Scandinavian countries) who have the highest standard of living IN THE WORLD.

Oh, not only that, but us Europeans, besides our own countries' history, we also tend to learn about others' as well.

With these reasons (and others that are not so important in mind), I can safely have an idea on what happens in America and what is potentially beneficial for it.
And stuff like regulated weapons and a more social health system is much, MUCH needed in America, trust me. Not to mention that certain Laws have become so absurd, yet they still are in function, leading to completely idiotic resolutions (the Kinder eggs being banned in the US pops into mind).

Now go, take 10 mins and reconsider your life and why us, the Europeans, fully support Obama and do not consider at all that he is "an evil man" (such a childish argument)

P.S.: Wanna see an evil president? Google Ion Iliescu and the mineriads... yep, WE had him & the SOB still lives
User avatar #1175 to #1174 - therealpokemon (01/05/2013) [-]
How is he not evil? He literally approves the drone-bombing of children's hospitals in Pakistan, a country we have no conflict with. And did you ever consider that Socialism isn't a magic bullet? Contrary to popular belief, there is no perfect economic system. Capitalism works just fine in America if we leave it the Hell alone. Regulated weapons goes against the document that literally founded the nation, and plus Australia tried that and look what happened to them. We don't need centralized healthcare because that would require a complete rewrite of our economy. We'd have to go from Crony Capitalist (what we are now thanks to government) to Socialist in a week, which isn't feasible in a small country, let alone one as big as America. And about that Ion Iliescu, I'm sure he was a bad guy, but that doesn't mean that Obama isn't bad. Matter of fact, he's even worse than Jimmy Carter, and that is SAYING SOMETHING.
User avatar #926 to #923 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
lol ad.min filters
#756 to #686 - Mahazama (01/04/2013) [-]
A lot of hobbies aren't constructive, but people still do them.
This rifle is actually used for hunting. It is semi-automatic, which means it fires just as fast as this rifle.
User avatar #732 to #686 - guiguito (01/04/2013) [-]
i just gonna say
maybe she asked for it.
still more construtive than an iphone
or a car
User avatar #749 to #732 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
A phone lets you communicate with people (even though I personally hate smartphones, iPhones even more)
A car is used for transport from point A to point B.

HOW THE **** is a weapon more constructive than a phone or a car?!?
User avatar #928 to #749 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Only a ******** like you could hate smartphones. Smartphones are superior to all other types of phones, and I have memorized specifications to defend that point.
User avatar #952 to #928 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Let me re-state that: I hate the **** out of phones with touchscreen. I hate the feel of being a retarded monkey swooshing my finger against a screen. I like a keypad/keyboard for my phone, thank you very much.

As for the phone specs, I respect them. Even though I find completely annoying the Facebook-obsessed people who MUST check their status every 5 seconds and use a phone to permanently stay connected to the Internet.
User avatar #956 to #952 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
What I meant was that even though I disagree, I can't argue to the contrary.
User avatar #955 to #952 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Still sounds pretty stupid to me, but that's an opinion and can't be argued.
User avatar #752 to #749 - guiguito (01/04/2013) [-]
are you for real?
User avatar #805 to #752 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
YOU are asking ME if I am "for real"?!

HOW THE **** DO YOU CONSIDER A FIREARM MORE CONSTRUCTIVE THAN A CAR OR A PHONE, YOU ******* REDNECK?!??!?!?!
#856 to #805 - anonymous (01/04/2013) [-]
I find it's generally the least educated in our society that results to calling people "redneck" when their idealism is confronted.
User avatar #814 to #805 - guiguito (01/04/2013) [-]
iphones makes annoying brats
and young people crashes cars
and a gun, well you can't even fire it at a bird.
i wonder why are you so angry about guns, or why are you using so much capslock
User avatar #816 to #814 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
"young people crashes cars"

And dumbass illiterate kids murder the English language.
User avatar #832 to #816 - guiguito (01/04/2013) [-]
why am i still speaking to you?
you are like seven or a mom that goes to wesboro.
i love when people losing an argument insult my grammar
there is like a ton of posts regarding this.
and if you are trying to troll, i am sorry for you son, i've got 99 jimmies, you rustled none.
User avatar #839 to #832 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Well then it's sad that a 7 year old has got a better grasp on English than you.

In either case, you're still a ******* retard for stating that a gun is more constructive than a car or a phone.

GET. LOST.
#848 to #839 - guiguito (01/04/2013) [-]
i would be surprised if he din't, since english is not the world native language, you have no argument to defend your point of view, therefore you make use of caps lock and low end insults, either way you are an alchool
User avatar #929 to #848 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
**** YEAH, FLUTTERSHY
User avatar #1158 to #929 - guiguito (01/05/2013) [-]
i guess
User avatar #864 to #848 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
I don't give a **** . It's not my native language either, but I won't make a mockery of my 12 years-or-so of studying it.

And WTF does "you are an alchool" even mean?! (Besides the annoying obvious ponyfag attachments)
User avatar #723 to #686 - muchasmarcos (01/04/2013) [-]
Most contrys in the western world have abolished mandatory militarry service or have none for women. My country has abolished the service several years back and ofcourse noone knows how to operate a gun anymore. I learned how to operate a gun while taking security classes.
User avatar #724 to #723 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
SO?!

Why do you consider it mandatory for people to know how to handle a firearm?!
User avatar #1134 to #724 - muchasmarcos (01/04/2013) [-]
Cause you need to deffend your self if the militarry fails at protecting your country.
User avatar #1137 to #1134 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
.............

Knock-knock joke:

-Knock-knock!
-Who is it?
-ALLAHU ACKBAAAA *BOOM*

Seriously, that's the level of intelligence of your statement.
Jesus ******* Christ, defend yourself if the military fails... Yeah, those Reds gonna get you, any day now.
God ******* dammit, you are stupid.
User avatar #1138 to #1137 - muchasmarcos (01/04/2013) [-]
sorry but i come from a country that has been invaded less than 20 years ago and have seen my house get torched twice while i was a 3 year old kid. u don't know the reality of
war.
User avatar #930 to #724 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
He never implied that.
User avatar #702 to #686 - haloforlife ONLINE (01/04/2013) [-]
I'm 16 about her age and i go to survival (killing animals, skinning them, cooking and eating them) and i use guns a lot, to be honest the younger they start the better because it teaches people to respect guns and of how dangerous they are, not only that that is an airsoft gun.
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User avatar #793 to #702 - tylerconnell (01/04/2013) [-]
That is exactly what I was thinking. I figured it was an airsoft gun with no orange tip

+1 for you
User avatar #713 to #702 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Surviving skills aside (which only come in use if A) You're stranded on a trip somewhere in the wild or B) Fallout happens, have fun surviving it), why oh why is it so much more "appropriate" to learn about guns?!?
#728 to #713 - anonymous (01/04/2013) [-]
you just said incase fallout happens
User avatar #718 to #713 - haloforlife ONLINE (01/04/2013) [-]
Because people like firearm enthusiasts love guns, I'm interested in military history, and a large part of that is guns, and maybe she's in the NRA and like i said that's a airsoft M&P15 MOE.
User avatar #721 to #718 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
And can you show me an American that is NOT a "firearm enthusiast" (beside select few that I respect... like Sigourney Weaver)?!

Your gun culture has gotten WAY overhand, if you find perfectly normal for a 16 year old girl to have an airsoft rifle for Christmas. The fact that you cannot comprehend THIS simple fact makes us, the rest of the world, be very wary of US's population.
User avatar #935 to #721 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Do you seriously think that there aren't hundreds of millions (I literally mean hundreds of millions) of people in America who aren't firearms enthusiasts? I mean, take all the people who are irrational gun haters such as yourself, then add all the people who don't care enough about guns to learn about them. What you just said was the same as me asking you to show me one German who doesn't love Rammstein.
#691 to #686 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
idk maybe because its NOT innapropriate, and a firearms sole porpose is not to destroy stuff.
User avatar #687 to #686 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
You forgot self defense, marksmanship training, etc. Shooting is more than a means of killing. I love few things more than going to a range and firing weapons just for the sake of doing it. Does it have any reason behind it? Not really. Then again, neither does stamp collecting or ping-pong.
User avatar #689 to #687 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Fine, if you want "shooting" as more than a means for killing, pick up bow shooting.

And self defense?! With that rifle?!? Yeah, she's totally gonna carry it in her backpack.

And once again, out of all the hobbies, it had to be "marksmanship training". Because some people can't think of anything else.
User avatar #694 to #689 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Home defense. It looks like a 5.56 or a .22 caliber rifle, which is perfect for injuring and not killing someone. Matter of fact, that's what the 5.56 was designed for - injuring and not killing. Anyway, bow shooting isn't even close to as fun. Have you ever fired a gun at a range? I mean a real gun, with a large round, at least a .30 Carbine cartridge. It's way, WAY better than a bow. And I would know, I've used both. Guns > bow.
User avatar #696 to #694 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Yeah, home defense.

Ever considering buying a better lock/door? Or locking your door, in the first place? (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/garden/14nolock.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)

Is pepper spray too beta for you? Or a tazer?
#706 to #696 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
you can build an immunitie to pepper spray and tazers dont always incipasitate people besides so why should a risk useing something that isnt garenteed to proserve my saftey when i can easily and perminately end the threat of a violent home invasion with the movement of a finger
User avatar #711 to #706 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
OK, first of all, I had to take 5 mins to decipher your post... "you can build immunity to pepper spray". ******** ! Have fun building immunity to something that affects your eyesight due to chemicals.
"Tazers don't always incapacitate" - are you ******* kidding me?! I don't think you realize the effects of high voltage over the body's nervous system.
If tazers "don't always incapacitate", why are your police officers trained to use them?!?

"I can easily and permanently end the threat of a violent home invasion with the movement of a finger"
Translated: I'm a soon-to-be murderer waiting for an excuse to kill somebody.
Seriously, the idea that you can end someone's life "with the movement of a finger" doesn't make you think, reconsider things?!?! AT ALL?!?
User avatar #924 to #711 - defender (01/04/2013) [-]
1)building a immunity to OC (pepper spray) is possible
2) do you know how rare it is to find that one person the taser doesn't work on which means it still works on the majority of the people which means they will keep it
3) Unless you have received training and sat through countless powerpoints and demonstrations of tasers and OC I suggest you shut the **** up
#747 to #711 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
the ones police officers use dont always work because if the electrodes dont make complete contact ie by wearing thick clothes they wont penetrate the skin and it doesnt complete the circut, police officers only train with tasers because it gives them an option to use less than lethal force, why should i be limited to something that only has 1 shot and isnt always gonna work on someone, besides every police officer who gets issued pepper spray has to get sprayed with it in training do you know why that is? its so they can learn to deal with it and wont be incapacitated by it by training to build a resistance
User avatar #704 to #696 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Do you sincerely think a better lock will solve anything? Then you obviously don't know the power of your average human male. I am a slightly-above-scrawny wimp and I can kick open a deadlock. Now imagine what a regular strength man could do. Furthermore, pepper spray is only effective at like one meter. A taser is pretty useful, too. But nothing beats a gun. I point a taser at someone, they run away and possibly come back. I taser them, they go down, police come and get them, they get released in a year or less from prison. I miss my mark and kill them with my gun, they never commit a crime ever again. I hit my mark (very likely since it would be close range), they are incapacitated, same scenario as the taser but they are less likely to rob a house since they have now been shot in the process of doing so. You're just a gun control fanatic who's so anti-gun that you would resort to abandoning logic and shotgunning (see what I did there?) random responses in a pathetic attempt to counter my arguments. Good day, sir.
User avatar #708 to #704 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
IDK, most of us here have metal doors with 3 locks. Have fun breaking that.

"I taser them, they go down, police come and get them, they get released in a year or less from prison"

Then outright shoot them in the head, if that means protecting yourself. But then, of course, you become a murderer. JUST BECAUSE "you don't feel safe".

You don't feel safe?! Either get your head checked for paranoia or, like the dude above said, MOVE OUT!
Point-in-case: you people are so stubborn realizing that maybe, JUST MAYBE there is something wrong with the area you live in that you refuse to move from Tornado Alley!
User avatar #760 to #708 - Mahazama (01/04/2013) [-]
You're obviously letting your unfounded opinion affect the rational part of your brain.
User avatar #712 to #708 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
I would never aim for the head you moron. See, right there you prove your ignorance. NO ONE aims for the head. It's a tiny target. You aim for the chest. Besides, I would aim for the lower torso so I could put them down without killing them because death is only an option of someones life is undeniably threatened. Like, if they were trying to hurt my family, THEN I'd double tap them in the chest with the intent to kill. You assume that just because I am not afraid to take a life that I am looking for any excuse to do just that. And how is it paranoid to accept the fact that I may be faced with a dangerous person who wants to hurt either me or my family? New flash, smartass: we live in the REAL ******* WORLD, where some people will hurt you without a moments hesitation. Unlike you, I will be ready to face these people. And it's not murder if someone's life is in danger. Otherwise, I would not kill them. Unlike you, I actually have training with firearms, so if I want to hit them in the leg, arm, or wherever, my bullet is going to go right there. So if someone dies at my hand, you know it was necessary. Only an ignorant buffoon like you could rationalize that every single gun owner wants to kill everyone that touches their property. Your reasoning is pathetic and you know nothing of the world of firearms except that people misuse them.
User avatar #719 to #712 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
" Like, if they were trying to hurt my family, THEN I'd double tap them in the chest with the intent to kill"

Like I said, you're a murderer waiting to happen. Have your head checked. Seriously.
Double-tapping is a clear expression of a "express intention of murder"

AND YES, YOU ARE PARANOID! THE SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING ANY TIME NOW FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK IN YOUR HOUSE MAKES YOU MORE THAN PARANOID!

You are calling ME a "smartass"?! If your "REAL ******* WORLD" is a place where all the people are potential threats to you, I would move the **** out of that world. Seems like a ****** neighborhood to me.

You will be ready to face these people. Allow me to LAUGH MY ******* ASS OFF.
You're probably a 16 year old in front of the Internet, raised in gun culture who thinks that gunning down a person is a perfectly normal.

NEWSFLASH, KID: YOU'RE STILL A MURDERER IF YOU TAKE SOMEONE'S LIFE!

"So if someone dies at my hand, you know it was necessary" - Who the **** made you Judge Dredd?! Your so-called "training with firearms"?!

"Only an ignorant buffoon like you could rationalize that ever singe gun owner wants to kill everyone that touches their property".
So far, you have more that proven your very point, you're simply WAITING for it to happen so you can just pop someone.

Seriously, you ARE deranged, go get checked.
And for the sake of society, get rid of your firearms, buy better locks and try thinking about living PEACEFULLY, for once!
User avatar #727 to #719 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
OK, now watch me dissolve everything you just said:
It's not murder if it's legitimate self defense. Like, I wouldn't kill someone who was trying to rob me, I'd fix my gun at them and hold it like that until the police arrived. If he made a move for a weapon, I'd shoot him in the arm to disarm him. If my life was definitely threatened, or if the life of someone else was DEFINITELY threatened, then I would kill the perpetrator.

I am not expecting to be assaulted, I am prepared for it. What you said is like me calling you paranoid for turning your stove off; "Dude, you expect your house to catch on fire and explode? You're so paranoid." Same exact concept.

And, as I CLEARLY stated before, there are SOME dangerous people. SOME. Unless, in your limited vocabulary that doesn't exist.

I am 19 and I have been to boot camp. Hard to get more trained than that, at least when it comes to using a basic rifle. And "gun culture"? Are you kidding me? We have guns. We use them. Big deal. The whole gun culture concept is as ****** up in the head as that Aurora shooter.

I am not a murderer if the killing is justified. Justified here means it was either he (being the one threatening others) dies, or someone else who was innocent.

Just because I am not an ultimate authority doesn't mean I cannot discern what is and isn't right or wrong. I can tell if lethal force is necessary, that's part of what it means to own a firearm, but then you wouldn't know that since you clearly don't own one, do you? Thought not.

And, lastly, I have made it beyond clear that I would only kill if it was necessary. You are a child who believes in gun culture fairy tales and would rather have the rights of everyone around you stripped just to satisfy your own need for supposed moral superiority. Oh and just so you know, moral superiority wouldn't have saved those kids in Newtown. A teacher with a gun could have. Just saying.
User avatar #745 to #727 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Those kids wouldn't have needed saving if the retarded child's mother hadn't OWNED guns in the first place.

Simple logic: treat the cause first.

And the ONLY way where killing is somewhat-justified: if you're in the army, protecting your country. INSIDE your country, if I may add.
Lethal force may be necessary is some situations, but it SHOULD not be exerted by civilians, only by authorities.

And I'm not "a child who believes in gun culture fairy tales". I'm a 23 year old person who is in a country where getting a firearm is both expensive and rather tedious.
Most of the crimes here involve knives, bats or cheap swords, at most.
Guess what? Our gun policy WORKS! So does the rest of the EU!

Why is it so hard for you to accept/recognize that something may be flawed in your case?!
User avatar #753 to #745 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
The issue isn't that she owned guns, numbnuts. The issue is that she didn't store them properly, as she should have since she had a mentally troubled child. And a teacher with a gun still could have saved the kids.

And there is the reason why it can't work in our country: we can't trust our authorities. I am in the military, but only for now. I want to take my training and college scholarships then get as far away from being owned by the government as possible. America's government is evil. Our 2nd Amendment was put in place specifically to defend ourselves from an oppressive government if that's what happened. And look at our current government, what our president has done. We need our weapons in case the government tries to take away more than just our second amendment rights. Once that goes, we are powerless to stop our government from taking away our rights. Same with every country, yes, but we at least thought of a way to, hopefully, prevent that. But, no, we have a country full of idiots like you who would rather suck the governments dick than be responsible for our own safety.
User avatar #769 to #753 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
"The issue isn't that she owned guns, numbnuts"

Stop here. Reconsider. If you can.

Oh, and the "America's government is evil". There you have it. Without any proof or evidence, you ASSUME that your government is evil. Exactly my point when I say that the 2nd Amendment is built solely on paranoia.

You want to know REAL evil government?! Try coming to a former communist country, that for the past 23 years has been ruled by the former, 2nd grade communist leaders that have willngly sold in the 90's most of what the former Communist Party actually built for the country. And I could go on and on for hours.

"Would rather suck the governments dick than be responsible for our own safety".
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that "taking it against the MAN" was in the 80s (or whenever).
I'm not sucking anyone's dick, you redneck dumbass. You (and your country) couldn't exist without your Government.

And as I said a thousand times already, your precious 2nd Amendment isn't going to do **** against the world's most powerful military. THINK, goddamit, THINK!
#787 to #769 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
ya and a bunch of sand sucking terrorist with ak's couldnt force out russians with tanks either, there are hundreds of millions of more guns in america owned by americans than there are people in the american military, the reason gun control works in eu is because you all have been pacified by your liberal pussy leaders and been herded like sheep, at least here in america i dont have to worry about being arrested by the emotion police for hurting someones feelings in the internet
User avatar #797 to #787 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
"the reason gun control works in eu is because you all have been pacified by your liberal pussy leaders and been herded like sheep, at least here in america i dont have to worry about being arrested by the emotion police for hurting someones feelings in the internet"

You're utterly retarded for that statement, you know that, right?

Yes, we believe in peace & thriving through prosperity & mutual understanding (along with the obvious political & economical leverages, of course). But you, just like the retarded bloke that almost ran for US Presidency, just want to blow stuff to smitherenes.

Oh, and between the EU and the US population, guess which is herded like mindless sheep with the use of mass-media?
Heck, the US Government had to make a public statement in 2012 that a zombie apocalypse is NOT happening when the bath salts case happened. That goes to show how good Americans are at "free thinking"
User avatar #779 to #769 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Oh, you are serious? OK, let's go historical, asshat:
Virtually every single government that was given enough time went oppressive. There's a ******* REASON your country isn't communist anymore, giving government that kind of power never, EVER works for very long. So the Founding Fathers knew that government would be evil if given too much power so they instituted this as a means of defense. Back then, an average Joe had the same individual weapons as any government. And you honestly think that we can't do anything against our military? I was trained to fight a civilian army. An army with AK-47's and RPG's, and various other illegally obtained weapons. And look what a couple thousand civvies did to the most powerful nation on earth. They have successfully held their own for years. Now imagine what five million people could do. Not to mention this oh-so-powerful nation literally went head to head with Britain, the then-most powerful country on earth. We are more than a threat to our military, why do you think our government doesn't just take away our rights right now? Because they know they can't take them away just yet. This sounds paranoid, and yeah, maybe in your perfect little country it is, but here in America, we are at risk. You wanna sit in your room all day pretending everything everywhere is perfect? Fine by me. But I will be busy living in the real world preparing for the inevitable power grab that's waiting to happen. You don't know **** about America's politics, so who the **** are you to tell me I'm paranoid? If you knew what our government was doing, you'd be singing a different tune.
User avatar #790 to #779 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
"But I will be busy living in the real world preparing for the inevitable power grab that's waiting to happen"

Go get lost, nutjob. This says enough about you and your whole's state of paranoia.
User avatar #791 to #790 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Awwwww how adorable. Dude knows he's got nothing because he doesn't live in America so he's basically just telling me to **** off. You know it'd have a lot easier to just ell me you don't know enough about what's going on in America.
User avatar #802 to #791 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
No "inevitable power grab" is going to happen, you lunatic. You are about as sane in that statement as Ted Nugent and Dave Mustaine, retarded rednecks who see enemies everywhere.

And get your history checked: when the US went against Britain, it wasn't yet the "oh-so-powerful nation" that the US is now.

Like I said, you have your rifle. The US Government has tanks, assault helicopters, stealth fighters, aircraft carriers and most of all, NUKES.

IF the US Government wanted to bring you under heel, it would do so in 24 hours. Refuse to yield? Get nuked.
THAT is an evil Government, you dumbass.

Oh, and FYI, no major warfare will occur any time soon. Because no one (mainly the US, Russia and China) has any interest in that anymore. It's all going to be economical, information & technological warfare, with few armed conflicts here and there.
That just goes to show that not only am I more aware of what's inside your country, but how things move in the world as well.

BTW, pro-tip: The US Government wouldn't want a civilian uprising or anything of the sorts because of one main reason: it's not profitable.

Like I said... THINK, GOD DAMMIT!
User avatar #810 to #802 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
Ha. You honestly think that the government would nuke its own people? Not now, at least. At first they'd have 5 million people to fight. If they used a nuclear weapon, it'd be the government vs. half their military, most police forces, and 315 million pissed off Americans, plus whatever countries would rather help American civvies. So nukes are out of the question. Furthermore, our tanks, helicopters, and stealth aircraft has still let us to lose thousands of soldiers. Again, I am trained to fight in Afghanistan; I know how a civilian force operates. They use cheap tactics like guerrilla warfare. We can't appropriately defend against that.

Furthermore, you can't actually say that it isn't going to happen. You don't know JACK ******* **** about what goes on in America, so WHO THE **** ARE YOU TO SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!? Answer that question. Oh right? YOU ******* CAN'T.
User avatar #812 to #810 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Who am I?

Unlike you, I am educated person, not someone "trained to fight in Afghanistan". You mindless grunt.
User avatar #813 to #812 - therealpokemon (01/04/2013) [-]
THAT'S WHAT I ******* THOUGHT! You are some random ass from EU who knows nothing about American politics so GET THE **** OUT.
User avatar #828 to #813 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Point-in-case: In your marvelous country, a Court in California has taken one of the most absurd, illogical and retarded decisions ever:
gawker.com/5973081/california-court-says-woman-wasnt-technically-raped-because-she-isnt-married

And this is just a MINOR example on how your country is so ****** up.
User avatar #815 to #813 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
I do think I know more of ANY country's politics than a trained killer. Get lost, grunt.
#693 to #689 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
ever consider home defence?
User avatar #698 to #693 - randomserb (01/04/2013) [-]
Idk man, I wouldn't feel comfortable at all knowing I need a gun to defend my home.
User avatar #695 to #693 - randomserb (01/04/2013) [-]
If there is a need for defending your home with a firearm, you should probably move to a different country.
#701 to #695 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
what your saying as it would be easier and cheap enough that uprooting your entire life leaving all your friends behind and leaving your home behind and having to quite your job just to move to a different country is a better option that owning a firearm to use to defend yourself if your home gets broken into
User avatar #703 to #701 - randomserb (01/04/2013) [-]
Eyup. People move all the time for less drastic reasons than potentially losing their lives in a burglary.
User avatar #725 to #703 - tkfourtwoone (01/04/2013) [-]
Smart people do that. Idiot people still live in Tornado Valley (for instance)
User avatar #726 to #725 - randomserb (01/04/2013) [-]
Exactly my point.
#707 to #703 - skullbash (01/04/2013) [-]
not all people can do that and not all people are willing too
User avatar #709 to #707 - randomserb (01/04/2013) [-]
Let's leave it at that.
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