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kanade (12/28/2012) [-] 
A new analysis of two decades of research on the long-term effects of physical punishment in children concludes that spanking doesn’t work and can actually wreak havoc on kids’ long-term development, according to an article published Monday in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.
Psychologists follow children over many years, monitor how much they’re spanked, and then take measure of their aggression over time. “We find children who are physically punished get more aggressive over time and those who are not physically punished get less aggressive over time,” says Joan Durrant, the article’s lead author and a child clinical psychologist and professor of family social sciences at the University of Manitoba.
Sweden a country with one of the lowest crime rates has put a law against physically hitting children. Nurturing love is best love.
Psychologists follow children over many years, monitor how much they’re spanked, and then take measure of their aggression over time. “We find children who are physically punished get more aggressive over time and those who are not physically punished get less aggressive over time,” says Joan Durrant, the article’s lead author and a child clinical psychologist and professor of family social sciences at the University of Manitoba.
Sweden a country with one of the lowest crime rates has put a law against physically hitting children. Nurturing love is best love.
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kanade (12/28/2012) [-] Good for you.
I was never spanked and was raised based on education and nurture, and i am not a ghetto thug like this post implies.
My arguments still stands because research show that the chances are BIGGER that physical abuse will cause agressive children than nurturing love.
I was never spanked and was raised based on education and nurture, and i am not a ghetto thug like this post implies.
My arguments still stands because research show that the chances are BIGGER that physical abuse will cause agressive children than nurturing love.
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syis (12/28/2012) [-] A child IS a barbaric entity. Go to a kindergarten and tell me : do you see reasoning acceptance and order there?
Scientific psychology is a theory, less than 100 years old and yet it claims to give all the answers, seriously?
What material proof do you have that it is even working? Because YOU are a good person? Well, let me tell you that I am a good person too along with my brothers, sisters, cousins and all of us received a slap on the face when we talked back or refused to obey. It has been like this for decades, centuries and millenias. Even during the "enlighted periods" of humanity.
This is how the society works, this is how the life goes.
Now, well, go and be a reasonable scientist and go talk the inmates and mafia bosses out of their bad bad habits...
Scientific psychology is a theory, less than 100 years old and yet it claims to give all the answers, seriously?
What material proof do you have that it is even working? Because YOU are a good person? Well, let me tell you that I am a good person too along with my brothers, sisters, cousins and all of us received a slap on the face when we talked back or refused to obey. It has been like this for decades, centuries and millenias. Even during the "enlighted periods" of humanity.
This is how the society works, this is how the life goes.
Now, well, go and be a reasonable scientist and go talk the inmates and mafia bosses out of their bad bad habits...
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
I don't think that was her argument at all. Perhaps your parents slapped the eyes out of your head or fucked up your ability to read. I think her argument was an actual article along with an example of an actual country, on the Earth (the planet we live on).
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alhemicar (12/28/2012) [-] What would be best probably was like here in former Yugoslavia, at the age of 18 every man was conscripted into the JNA (Yugoslav People's Army) for a year and the officers knew how to deal with them.
Someone does shit, the officer for example tells him to move a pile of firewood from one place to another. When he's done the officer relises it was better on the first place it was. When he moves it again officer says they need it on the other place again. Later he sees that it will get wet there so it has to be moved again and so on....
Or he'd get to dig out a hole. When he's finished he has the honor of burying it again. Then he'd dig it out again....
You get my point. Those officers knew how to deal with thrash.
Someone does shit, the officer for example tells him to move a pile of firewood from one place to another. When he's done the officer relises it was better on the first place it was. When he moves it again officer says they need it on the other place again. Later he sees that it will get wet there so it has to be moved again and so on....
Or he'd get to dig out a hole. When he's finished he has the honor of burying it again. Then he'd dig it out again....
You get my point. Those officers knew how to deal with thrash.
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syis (12/28/2012) [-] Please...
Respect and self behavior don't come by itself. They are concepts way too hard to understand for a 5 years old.
A kid must learn that there are limits.
I don't mean that every little mistake deserves a beating with a wooden plank, but a little spanking from times to times will make the kid understand that he should abide to the rules in the house he lives in and/or the social codes when he's outside or with strangers.
Respect and self behavior don't come by itself. They are concepts way too hard to understand for a 5 years old.
A kid must learn that there are limits.
I don't mean that every little mistake deserves a beating with a wooden plank, but a little spanking from times to times will make the kid understand that he should abide to the rules in the house he lives in and/or the social codes when he's outside or with strangers.
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
Lol if a kid is speaking in "gaga gaa" it is way to young to be disciplined through lectures AND physical beatings, not only does it not understand why it is being hit it will forget it just as soon as it stops crying... what are you trying to prove?
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syis (12/28/2012) [-] A slap on the hand makes it understand it should not touch this or that.
Might save it from a burned hand later.
And your example was shit.
Concepts such as "disappoint" "proud" or "duty" are just as vague as why the sky is blue in the head of a 3 years old. Though he would be perfectly able to talk back at you, to break a plate while looking right at you to see how you react or to torture the cat a little bit.
The question is : how many young kids have you had to deal with so far?
Might save it from a burned hand later.
And your example was shit.
Concepts such as "disappoint" "proud" or "duty" are just as vague as why the sky is blue in the head of a 3 years old. Though he would be perfectly able to talk back at you, to break a plate while looking right at you to see how you react or to torture the cat a little bit.
The question is : how many young kids have you had to deal with so far?
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
I have one and he knows not to touch the fucking stove, not to yell at his mom, and not to tell us "no" and, just like my parents have never laid a hand on me, I have never laid a hand on him. Anyone who meets my son is utterly shocked at how young he is for being so well disciplined. I have ZERO child proof mechanisms in my house, my solution is education, "you put a key in there and IT WILL fuck you up." Kids are kids, they're not stupid, just kids. As for putting your hand on the stove, I fell on the stove when I was younger and cooking with my mom, guess what? Went to the hospital, got it taken care of, had a scare from the burner on my fore arm (you can literally see the rings from the burner) and I never touched a fucking stove again.
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syis (12/28/2012) [-] So now, you can't cook and you have a scar, you call this a victory?
Having no child proof equipment at home is not an education choice, it's a lack of responsibilities.
Now, what do we have here?
A parent who doesn't have the backbone to use his real account to post his opinions?
Having no child proof equipment at home is not an education choice, it's a lack of responsibilities.
Now, what do we have here?
A parent who doesn't have the backbone to use his real account to post his opinions?
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
I have no account on here, actually I do but I don't care enough for FJ to remember the username/password (or enough to do a recovery). Lack of responsibility couldn't be further from the truth, in fact it's called good parenting. I don't just child proof my house and let my kid run through it as I sit there and watch TV (or game).
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syis (12/28/2012) [-] Right...
So I say "burns" you say "I buned myself on a stove"
I say "scared of cooking" you say "I'm a chef"
...
If I say that you are scared of the Moon? Would you answer that you are the fucking Buzz Aldrin?
Not caring about FJ but still refreshing the page every 30 secs. in order to keep this conversation?
That's it, Mr. 12 years old troll, I guess we are done here.
So I say "burns" you say "I buned myself on a stove"
I say "scared of cooking" you say "I'm a chef"
...
If I say that you are scared of the Moon? Would you answer that you are the fucking Buzz Aldrin?
Not caring about FJ but still refreshing the page every 30 secs. in order to keep this conversation?
That's it, Mr. 12 years old troll, I guess we are done here.
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
Lol I already told you my age, and my old occupation, I have no reason to lie, I gain nor lose anything from it. Just because you have yet to come up with a valid argument to anything doesn't mean I am a troll. Maybe your parents beat you too much? Congrats you have now become the motivation for me to continue not hitting my child. It obviously makes them retarded. You're guess we're done now? As far as I am concerned we have been done, as I have stated before, you have brought nothing to the table except bullshit.
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kanade (12/28/2012) [-] Spanking has the same result, the fear of a man far bigger and much more intimidating than you can cause anxiety and fear thinking that the kid need to be more tougher and agressive, thus making it counter productive.
I was taugh by my parents through education, empathy, compassion and rewarding and well i'm doing pretty fine.
I was taugh by my parents through education, empathy, compassion and rewarding and well i'm doing pretty fine.
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syis (12/28/2012) [-] Are you implying that if a father gives a slap to a kid who willingly said "fuck you" to his mum, that means he is an aggressive son of a bitch?
I was slapped a few times or kicked in the butt along with my borthers and sisters, and yet we are not these aggressive thugs you are discribing.
I was slapped a few times or kicked in the butt along with my borthers and sisters, and yet we are not these aggressive thugs you are discribing.
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kanade (12/28/2012) [-] I am saying that if a kid does something bad you shouldn't resort to violence or intimidation.
Research does not lie that the most agressive kids come from physical punished households, it's sociology 101.
The idea that kids need "tough love" and "discipline" is exactly that 50's mentality that we as human beings evolved away from.
Research does not lie that the most agressive kids come from physical punished households, it's sociology 101.
The idea that kids need "tough love" and "discipline" is exactly that 50's mentality that we as human beings evolved away from.
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kanade (12/28/2012) [-] And look at what he did, he was an extremely intelligent man that got germany out of the economical pile of shit and reinvented ways that are now used in other countries aswell.
He didn't even hate the Jews that much, his original plan was to give the german nation back to the germans. Most of the genocide was decided by other men who had a monopoly on him.
He didn't even hate the Jews that much, his original plan was to give the german nation back to the germans. Most of the genocide was decided by other men who had a monopoly on him.
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alhemicar (12/28/2012) [-] Not at all. Yes he was intelligent and etc. but his plan from the beging was the partition of humans based upon what believed were higher and lesser races, meaning:
Germans - the only race that could create culture
Chinese - can carry that culture over
Slavs - unable to understand culture, useful only for manual labor
Semites - useless for anything, a waste of space, air and food, don't deserve to live
Germans - the only race that could create culture
Chinese - can carry that culture over
Slavs - unable to understand culture, useful only for manual labor
Semites - useless for anything, a waste of space, air and food, don't deserve to live
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
They have also done similar test in the military. Recruits who have cell phones, video games, and down time, often do better then the recruits at places where they beat the shit out of you (yes, physical beatings are not allowed in the military anymore but it's a very fine fucking line)
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dedaluminus ONLINE (12/28/2012) [-] Well, yeah, of course the recruits do better that way. But should they? If I'm going to clear a building, I want to know that the guy at my back is a hardcore motherfucker who eats danger and shits freedom, not some pussy who can't get through basic without a digital crutch. The point being, that a soldier should be of a very specific mindset, and you can't find out if a person is capable unless you push them to their limits.
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
Are you like 13? These are things that are tried and true. You can beat the fuck out of someone in basic training but it doesn't make them more likely to jump on a grenade for their squad. The "hardcore motherfucker who eats danger and shits freedom," is usually the first "my back hurts, I can't deploy little bitch"
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
25, I'm the same anon that has been responding to your other bullshit. Spent 6 years in the Infantry, enlisted when I was 17, one deployment to Afghanistan, grew up playing vidya games, continue to play, it's a passion I will never give up. Courage doesn't come from beatings. I am not talking out of my asshole, this is stuff that I have actually seen.
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N. Korean citizen (12/28/2012) [-]
Again I have no reason to lie, you've brought nothing to the table. A 25 year old combat vet who was burned on the stove when he was little and now has a kid... If I am going to lie wouldn't I make myself out to be a cowboy astronaut millionaire, why would I lie about that shit lol
