THE RING DOESN'T HURT FRODO IT JUST GET'S HEAVIER


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I have a disorder. I can't read more than three comments down. Thanks for bringing it up, asshole.

What?

Nevermind. Have this picture.

Do it.

Aaaah, that DID help

It hurts to get near to the evil - No, the ring doesn´t hurt, it just becomes a way heavier burden and takes your joy in life, Memories and stuff like this, the taste of good things, the memories of happy times and songs. It makes you "feel like to few Butter on too much toast"

Ghost Buddie? Nope, won´t even let myself down to correct this.

Gimli and Hagrid...well...okay

The thing about Gimli and Hagrid is that Gimli isn't actually the cheerful fun character in the books that he is in the movies. I would say that Dwarves are the most serious race in Middle-Earth and are only really joyful when around fellow dwarves.

Or later on around Legolas. Even in the Book. I know, they kinda used him as a comic relief while Merry and Pippin weren´t there. But even in the Books you can see, how he warms up after visiting the crytsal caves behind Helms Klamm.

Everything you say is correct (I assume, since you know so much about it and I haven't read the Silmarillion and it's also been a while since I last read the LotR books), but I think the part about "getting near to evil hurts" also refers to the scar Frodo has in his shoulder (which you can also see on the picture). It hurts when the Wraiths get close, right?

Feel free to correct me on this one though, if you have any information that disproves this.

That´s a really, really good Point, I didn´t even think about it...shame on me. But I think, the Wound only hurts each year, the Day he got stabbed with the Morgul-Knife, not when comes near a Wraith. I think the hurting that is described, is something everyone feels, the ability of the wraith to install fear in the mind of Opponents. But I would have to reread it first, before I can be sure. Thanks, though!

Ah okay! And thank YOU for explaining everything!

No Problem, there are few things I like better than talking ´bout TolkienD:

Gandalf is not a Wizard, he is a) an Istari and b) a Maiar, which sets him closer to being an Angel (If you want to use this word, but it´s the easiest way to understand for People who haven´t read the Silmarillion) than being just a Wizard. Also, he isn´t just plain "old" like Dumbledore, he is one of the oldest living Creatures, even older than the World itself. Also, he isn´t just plain "wise", he is the wisest, even amongst the Maiar.

Calling Sam a "Loser BFF" is just wrong, without him Shit would have gone down, Frodo would never have been able to destroy the Ring, yet reach Mordor or even the Morannon alone, let alone being able to destroy the Ring. The War of the Rings would have been lost from the beginning if it wasn´t for Samweis Gamdschie!

Gollum/Dobby, I don´t give a Shit, they are ugly, that´s not wrong, else they don´t have anything in common. Maybe Dobby/Smeagol, but even that would be farfetched.
Death-eaters/Black Riders - They have not much in common, but well, yeah, they are evil Forces, okay.

Snape/Gríma - Completely different Characters, They got nothing, just nothing in Common.

Harry/Frodo - Okay, I can see that. A bit.

Dark Lord. Okay. It´s okay I guess, but the same as with Dumbledore and Gandalf, Sauron is not a Human turned evil, but a Maiar turned evil.

Bodyless Dark Lord - K

Saruman = Evil BFF - Nope. Gandalf mistrusted Saruman long ago and even before the mistrust came up they weren´t "Friends", but companions with (at the beginning) the same aim.

Giant Spider - Kankra/Shelbob isn´t a Spider, but the last Daughter of a way more evil Creature, that paired itself with Creatures similar to Spiders. It´s more of a Demon, than a Spider.

Dangerous Dark Forest - Would be right if the Picture didn´t choose the Fangorn but the Mirkwood ( in the times of the Necromancer and Kankras Breed)

Link between good and evil - It´s right I guess, as the ring itself is evil, but came of a creature that once was good

I agree on all but two things
1) Gandalf is called a Wizard numerous times in the books. Especially The Hobbit.
2) Shelob is a giant spider. If there were no literal description in the book and Jackson just took liberty with its depiction like he did with the Fell Beasts, I would understand your point, but it is described quite clearly in the book as being, well... a giant spider.
Other than that, good job, I couldn't have said it better myself

He is called a Wizard, but that´s only a name, he doesn´t really fit the Description of a Wizard in the classical Term. And of cause, Shelbob got the Form of a Spider, but it´s clearly said that she is way more than that. Her Breed might be described merely as giant Spiders (with an Amount of Intelligence), but Shelbob is a direct Descendent to Ungoliath and thus way more "demonic" than a simple Animal, she has some sort of evil Intelligence and magic on her.

That's true, but it's Shelob, not Shellbob... :)

Oh, Sorry.D I´m not used to call her Shelob, in the German Edition of the Books, it´s Kankra, so that´s what I usually call her.D

nerd

Is that a bad thing?

not at all

I was only wondering

hey i know this is probably a stupid question, but can you find the Silmarillion at any bookstore?

Nope, nearly none has it, but you can order it at any. Not many people read it, so you have to be lucky to find a Bookstore that has it in store

ah okay thanks, I've just been looking for stuff to read while I'm over break

jokes, jokes haha

i did not know that about shelob

It´s from the Silmarillion. Shelbob is the last Daughter of Ungoliath, a Creature nobody seems to know where it came from. It has a Giant Body that looks Spider-like and is able to create Darkness all around itself. Morgoth (Saurons "Master") used Ungoliath to deceive the Valar and Maiar and kill the Golden and Silver Trees by stabbing his Spear through them, bringing Darkness over Valinor (= "Paradise"...kinda). It become powerful enough that even Morgoth was afraid but got hunted away by Balrogs. It´s is supposed to have devoured itself, but not before giving birth to a Breed of smaller and less powerful Creatures like Shelbob.

One version was that Earendil killed her when journeying South. I think Morgoth was purposefully nerfed in Silmarillion, because come on, how Beren, a human, could survive in presence of the being so powerful. Feanor or Fingolfin sure, they were princes of Eldar... All in all, when Sauron was pictured a bit too powerful in comparison to what happened in First Age, Morgoth was nerfed. But it's the mythos, I'm being overcritical.

Either Earendil or she devoured herself, was it specified? I´m not sure anymore.
Also, Beren was protected bei Luthíen. And we can´t really think of the Humans of the ancient Age as we think of normal Humans. Aragorn stood strong in the Presence of Sauron, Beren in the Presence of Morgoth. And in the End, Turín will slay Morgoth. I think that in Tolkiens Universe, People who are as he says "bound by a strong fate" stand strong in the presence of way more powerful being, simple because their role in History doesn´t allow them to fall.

Ah of course, it's like a heroic age. More like ancient Greek heroes I say. Or Biwulf. And so on. Mythos :)
The versions are both good I think, as Christopher Tolkien never said anything about his Father choosing one.
Aragorn challenged Sauron through the Palantir, which was his by the law. I doubt that even he would withstand the power of Sauron's will "face to face".

Also, did you noticed something Lovecraftian about Ungoliant? Primordial creature, of unknown origin, vastly powerful, malicious by nature... Also, that Nameless Things from below Khazad-Dum. It's a shame that so few writers dare to expand Arda somehow.

Well, I wouldn´t want to underestimate the Humans of the 3rd Age. Sauron doesn´t have that much of a "Presence" or at least thats what I believe. I think Sarumans Voice could be compared to Saurons Presence, as they are of the same order and Sarumans Voice is his single own Power and by this not restricted by the Valar. I think of the Humans of the third age, Aragorn and Faramir could stand before Sauron, as well as King Theoden in his final hours and Beorn (if you consider him purely Human). to lazy to list my Reasons, though

Yeah, I did mention it, but not here but in another Discussion some weeks ago.
Oh yes, the "Things from below Khazad-Dum are incredibly interesting. Especially as Gandalf states that these creatures might as well be older than Sauron himself. And even if Sauron was the youngest Maiar and the last of them that Ea created, that would still make him older than Arda itself, meaning the Creatures are like Ungoliath beings from outside the Existence, that weren´t created by Illuvatar. Another lovecraftian thing. There might be Tons of unknown, horrible Creatures existing anywhere. And also existing in the Place where Morgoth was banished too, so even while bound and banished, he could make "Friends" for the final Battle.

Well, would you dare? I write myself, right now one Story that seems to go in the same direction as the Silmarillion, Creation and Mythology, but I wouldn´t dare lay a finger in Tolkiens work.D It´s way too good to try to change or add something I guess, needs a braver man than me to do so:D

Beorn was so "fabel-ish" that he would be residing next to Tom Bombadil. Maybe he was son of Radagast?
Yes, His works are pretty biblical, so to speak, but if someone deeply in love with this universe and, what's more, a potent writer took it up... Who knows.
The attempt has been already made by Nikolaj Pierumov, he wrote a Trilogy taking place about 300 years after Fall of Sauron. It's pretty good, except for the last part, which is violently over-the-top. but he tries to explore the Unknown to some extent, so I guess that you, as the obvious fan of Tolkien's Universe, should read it and have an opinion about what he wrote :)

Well, I wouldn´t rank Beorn next to Bombadil, as Bombadils "Power" sets him on par with the Maiar, maybe even the Valar. And the son of Radagast? I don´t really know, but maybe. It isn´t that farfetched.


Nikolaj Pierumov? Doesn´t ring a bell, but I might try it out, thanks.

I was just talking about their mutual provenience, straight from the faerish style of The Hobbit. I mean, in LotR we don't hear much about shape-shifters.
Bombadil is just like The Nameless Things. Nobody really knows anything about him :)

Ah, okay, then sorry.D

the silmarillion was a bitch to read

Really?I gotta say I liked it even more than the Trilogy. Only Book by Tolkien I prefered even over the Silmarillion was the "Children of Hurín"

I'm actually in the middle of reading the "Children of Hurín" at the moment and it is really good so far.

wasnt that a compilation by his son?

It kinda was, it was unfinished and his son put it together and filled out missing parts, according to tolkiens notices.

So ungoliath is kind of like Lolth from forgotten realms?

I don´t really know, Forgotten Realms doesn´t really ring a Bell. Care to explain?

Its another fantasy world based off of dungeons and dragons, i would recomend reading R. A. Salvatore's works if you are looking to get into the world with the books.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Realms

Lolth is the dark elf diety that offten takes the form of a spider.

R.A. Salvatore does ring a bell. But Ungoliath doesn´t take the form of a Spider, it only has one form.
Can´t really say if they are similar without knowing enough about forgotten Realms. Sorry

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It's also a quadrillion times better to be in a relationship with someone you have things in common with, so yeah, I'll indulge all of my interests if that's fine with you, MrTurdTastic

Thats why I have a girlfriend who suggests we watch LotR Extended, nerdy ans hot, woo!