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#25 - captaincabinet **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #214 to #25 - mrthezho (12/10/2012) [-]
I've actually never ever heard about this from anywhere else than on the internet. It could be because I live in Sweden though, and we're not really that religious...
User avatar #205 to #25 - WATCHAGUNADOBOUTIT (12/10/2012) [-]
people don't like being happy i guess
User avatar #138 to #25 - rainbowrush (12/10/2012) [-]
A lot of Christians get buttmad when non Christians say merry Christmas. How people even believe that this holiday was ever about Chris is beyond me, tho.
User avatar #122 to #25 - rennat (12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas long ago stopped being about Christ. I'm atheist and I celebrate it. It's such a cultural holiday nowadays that even some jewish people celebrate it.
User avatar #59 to #25 - AlreadyExists (12/10/2012) [-]
I've no issue with people being jolly and saying merry christmas and the like, the only thing I'm personally against is it being brought into schools and other state-sponsored programs because it's unconstitutional and rightly so, and it can potentially alienate not only atheists but anyone who's not of christian faith. That's probably what any reasonably informed atheist'll tell you and anyone who just hates it because people are happy or some reason like that is just a dick. People can be dicks regardless of belief / lack thereof.
User avatar #295 to #59 - finni (12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas is a part of Western culture and society. If you don't believe in God, that doesn't mean you can't celebrate a thousand year Western tradition. I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, the Old Norse Gods, but I still celebrate Easter and Yule Goat/Julebukk. It's a part of the culture of my society and just because the tradition with roots from a Religion doesn't mean celebrating that tradition make you a member of it.

It's not like me wishing somebody a happy Christmas is going to kill them, force convert them or anything like that.
User avatar #72 to #59 - brettyoke (12/10/2012) [-]
Holy crap, it's not like they open up a new Bible class and force everyone to take it and learn about the Christian origins of Christmas in December.

If a teacher puts up a few lights and says merry christmas, get over it. I've never seen anybody say, "Hey! That student is an athiest! Let's exclude him from every bit of fun we have this holiday season."

Tl;Dr: Get over yourself.
User avatar #85 to #72 - AlreadyExists (12/10/2012) [-]
I don't mean to say it shouldn't be practiced in public schools because it alienates me specifically- it's because it lends preference to once group of people over another. I can care less about the extent to which it's practiced or what group it is or anything like that. In principle, I personally find it morally incorrect to include one group of people (religion, race, sex, etc.) and not another in a public facility.

Not like the issue would lie in me being discriminated against since it's hard to identify atheists aren't preaching their lack of belief and even it that weren't the case I'd be about as intimidated being told I'd burn in hell for eternal damnation as I would be for a hippie threatening to punch me in my aura
User avatar #112 to #85 - brettyoke (12/10/2012) [-]
So, what I got out of that, was that people who say Merry Christmas in public places are excluding athiests and other non-Christians?

Christmas is widely accepted as a holiday about joy to others and general kindness. Why does it bother you if people are happy about Christmas in public places? You're just as accepted as a part of Christmas as any Christian.
User avatar #218 to #112 - AlreadyExists (12/10/2012) [-]
People inclusively saying merry christmas in public places is good imo, but having public schools or governments support a specific religion, even if only through the promotion of that religion's holidays, is not. The difference is that having a government that's tied to one religion or another conflicts with the good 'ole principle of separation of church and state, which is bad for a number of reasons. Just to name a couple, you now have one religion that unfairly is preferred over others, and you start equating religious principles with political ones.

"morally incorrect to include one group of people (religion, race, sex, etc.) and not another in a public facility."
I guess I should have worded that better. Not saying you can't say merry christmas while in a public facility (freedom of speech ftw)- I just don't think public schools and stuff should include one religion over another.
User avatar #349 to #218 - brettyoke (12/10/2012) [-]
In public schools, the teachers celebrate Christmas. I understand your concern about people not feeling included, but Christmas is more of a red-and-green Santa Clause fest in school than a Jesus's birthday type holiday. I don't know if you live in America or whatever, but religion is kept out of public institutions to the fullest extent of possibility.
User avatar #319 to #218 - mrbuu ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. The government/people are not out to get you. You are not that important to them. Let people celebrate Christmas and stop being a little bitch about it. You know you don't have to celebrate it,but stop bitching because 9/10 people do. Marry christmas.
#362 to #319 - AlreadyExists (12/12/2012) [-]
Regardless of my importance to US governors, the idea of separation of church and state is among the most fundamental principles of the US. Not including religious celebration in public institutions in no way impedes on people's rights to celebrate them independently. I'm not against letting people celebrate Christmas, in fact I'd oppose any oppression of people's freedom of religion. Without a problem I annually celebrate Christmas with my relatives, but when it comes to public schools and the like, there's no reason for it to be present- it's not a christian institution.

Also merry Christmas to you too ho ho ho!
#65 to #59 - anonymous (12/10/2012) [-]
Huh I didn't even know atheists had a problem with that. I'm an atheist and I love Christmas it's such a fun holiday even if you don't celebrate the religion part. It's like cozy and green and red and there's presents and stuff. I have a tree and everything. Holidays are really about what you make them.
User avatar #73 to #65 - AlreadyExists (12/10/2012) [-]
yeah since atheism is just not belonging to a religion (or lacking belief in all religions- something like that), atheism isn't really a group per se, it's just the collective sum of all people not belonging to any religious group. so I guess what I'm saying here is that it's hard to make generalizations about people which aren't in a religion because that doesn't really describe the people, that just eliminates things that could describe them. There isn't really so much a thing as an 'atheist agenda', atheism isn't a group- everyone's atheist by default starting from birth. so I don't even know if all atheists have a problem with it, that's just my two cents
#256 to #73 - kdeastab (12/10/2012) [-]
Just a quick fix. Atheism is not just not belonging to a religion. There are atheist sects of Buddhism. Atheism is the lack of a belief of a god.
User avatar #363 to #256 - AlreadyExists (12/12/2012) [-]
Ah- thank you for the correction.
#98 to #73 - salmonofdoubt (12/10/2012) [-]
An argument on FJ where both sides are being logical and both sides are being thumbed up? I don't know what my emotions are doing right now!!
An argument on FJ where both sides are being logical and both sides are being thumbed up? I don't know what my emotions are doing right now!!
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