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#113 - xxxsonic fanxxx (12/06/2012) [-]
Don't get it.

What has in common Gandalf's middle name and that freakin book.
User avatar #127 to #113 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
Actually his name isn't even Gandalf, his name is Olórin. He is a lesser god (just like Sauron) but he lost some of his power in order to get a material body. In the books almost every character has more than one name, so Gandalf is how humans from Gondor and Hobbits are calling him, he is called Greyhame by Rohan men, Mithrandir is his elven name and he is known among Dwarves as Tarkun.

So here you have, most of the Gandalf's names in the book (I can recall 2-3 more names, but they are irrelevant as only certain characters are calling him that way).
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User avatar #197 to #185 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
It is finished my friend.
User avatar #189 to #185 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
It might be a long story, so brace yourself.

Ok, so Eru Iluvatar is like the Universe itself. He is the strongest being ever. He then created The Ainur, which are all beings formed by Eru's mind (like one Ainur is goodness, one is kindness or wisdom or mercy or something like that, even if they are very complex beings, they have one main feature each). They are all immortal and eternal beings. After he created The Ainur, Eru decided to make them sing for him and everything in that song appeared as an illusion, a mere image. The song was disrupted 3 times by Melkor which was along with his brother, Manwe, the oldest and the most powerful of The Ainur.

Even if the Ainur did not know that, in that moment Eru Iluvatar decided the fate of the world. So after the song was finished, he let his creations gaze upon what they have created through their song, and many of them could not stop looking at that image. So Eru decided to build the world, Ea/Arda which was like a blank sphere. He then told the ainur that whomever wants to go into the world and shape it (after the image created by the music) is free to do so.

The most powerful Ainurs that descended into the World were called Valars (15 of them), and the lesser ones were called Maiars (they seem to be numerous, yet not too many of them are mentioned). The Vlaras were Gods of the world and they shaped it after their will, everybody doing his own part.

I am gonna post a new comment as a reply to this one as soon as I finish writing it cause I'm running out of characters.
User avatar #193 to #189 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
There are 14 Valars that you can call good (7 male and 7 females, 5 of these being organized in pairs of married couples) and the 15th Valar was Melkor (later known as Morgoth/The Enemy) who later became Sauron's master. I am not gonna mention all their names because it's gonna get confusing, but I can describe them to you if you want.

The Maiars were servents or students of Valaras and they served as messengers. For example, Ulmo, the lord of the sea had 2 maiars under him, one controlling the rage of the water and another one that made the water calm.

Eru Iluvatar asked The Ainurs to prepare the world for the coming of his children: The First Born (the elves) and The Second Born (the humans).
-The elves were immortal, they couldn't get sick and they would recover even from very serious wounds, yet they could be killed. As a punishment for losing the gift of eternal life, they could not enter the afterlife until the end of the world.

-The humans, short-lived people that would enter eternal life immediately after they are killed. There are also Noble humans who have a life-span of 300+ years (Aragorn for example had 80-90 years in the LoTR events). These men were gifted by elves with spells that would make them stronger and increase their life-span.

Now there are 2 more main races: The Dwarves and The Orcs.

The Dwarves were created by the Valar Aule because he wanted to teach someone craftsmanship, so he made them small so they can live underground where they could find better metals and gems for their weapons and jewelry. Also, they could breathe through smoke so they don't need too much ventilation in their caves. When Aule tried to give them life, the Dwarves moved a little, but right then, Eru showed himself to Aule and he wanted to punish him for trying to create life. Aule then gave the dwarves as a gift to Eru, and he accepted them, but they would have to start living after The Elves.

Part 3 coming soon, that would be the last I hope :D
User avatar #196 to #193 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
That settles it for the dwarves.

The Orcs are basically elves captured, tortured and corrupted by Melkor. They lost their ability to communicate with nature, do magic and all they wanted to do is kill and destroy, hating everything that was not orcish. Also, they are unable to touch elven-crafted armors, swords or anything of the sort.

For the minor races now:
Ents were elder trees that were thought by the elves to talk and they became very attached to their teachers and soon began to try to move like them.
Dragons and Balrogs were all creatures created by Melkor (some of them without his knowledge, they just spawned in the deepest caves and mines), but they were not really alive since they were all controlled by his mind. If he would cease to think of them, they would die. Later, they appear to be independent for unknown reasons.
Hobbits were all humans at first, but they seem to have adapted so they became shorter and their feet grew larger.

Finally: Eru Iluvatar > The Ainur (Valars > Maiars) > Elves > Humans. I'm not sure where exactly would orcs and dwarves fit in.

Hope this helped.
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User avatar #199 to #198 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
Yep. But my theory is that he's either one of the blue istari (because of his clothing), but that's highly unlikely. Or he might be a Maiar under Yavanna who decided to remain in the after the last war against Melkor and probably he would lose his power if he would leave the forest where he lived since all the Valars made all the godly beings leave Middle-Earth to Valinor so they don't interfere with children of iluvatar since the last time that happened, half of the earth was destroyed.
#129 to #127 - xxxsonic fanxxx (12/06/2012) [-]
Gandalf is an Istari, not a Maya like Sauron.
User avatar #130 to #129 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
Istari or the Wizards are incarnated Maiars. Olorin was the student of Nienna and he was sent to Middle-Earth because Manwe and Varda choose him.
#155 to #130 - xxxsonic fanxxx (12/06/2012) [-]
I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but where do you get your info? I've read the Sillmarillion and I don't remember anything about the Istari being like that.
User avatar #157 to #155 - teseus (12/06/2012) [-]
There is a book made from Tolkien's older stories. His son took some of these stories and turned them into a book called "Unfinished Tales". It has a lot of detail when it comes to Istari and Gandalf/Olorin in particular. You should check it out, there is also a very ******* epic description of Gondolin. Anyway, long story short it was heaven for me since it describes lots of mysterious things, yet it still leaves some mystery behind just to stimulate the imagination.

Anyway, if you like Silmarillion I can bet you're gonna love it (assuming you want to read it, of course).
User avatar #115 to #113 - andreomir (12/06/2012) [-]
If you remember from the movies, In the beginning, Gandalf's full name/title is Gandalf The Gray. So, if you put a middle name there somewhere... It turns out something like "Gandalf, Fifty Shades Of (the) Gray" hope this cleared it up :)
User avatar #114 to #113 - wolfypolli (12/06/2012) [-]
Gandalf fifty shades of the gray.
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