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#129 - telmarine
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(11/18/2012) [-]
are we really starting this again?
#154 to #129 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Well yes if religion still exists this will still be a topic.
#134 to #129 - cripto [OP]
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(11/18/2012) [-]
I hope this post doesn't make a war, really. I just wanted to share this ****, I didn't expect all that hating and *******
#167 to #134 - telmarine
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(11/18/2012) [-]
********, why do you have to attack my religion in the firstplace
#176 to #167 - syis
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(11/18/2012) [-]
He "attacks" 2 religions, prick, not yours in particular.
#302 to #176 - telmarine
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(11/19/2012) [-]
what if i believe my religion encorporates both
#161 to #134 - Zaxplab
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Ummm.... Don't even lie. You totally wanted to start a *********.


I gotta say though, you succeeded.
#136 to #134 - kayen
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(11/18/2012) [-]
You shared something that is seen as an insult to half Funnyjunk's community, what do you expect?
#179 to #136 - syis
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Well, half of FJ is composed of paranoid biggot asses?
#137 to #136 - cripto [OP]
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Mayhaps I didn't expect 12 year old kids
#139 to #137 - kayen
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Wow so you post a picture insulting another religion?

What's next, OP? A picture making fun of Evolution to anger Atheists?
#159 to #139 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/18/2012) [-]
How would a picture making fun of evolution make fun of atheists, you can be atheist and not believe in evolution.

Even if you are religious you are an atheist, do you believe in Zeus? if not you are an atheist as the term atheist only defines you position on a god the people who have faith in no god are atheist and so are you they just take it one step farther.

Also you can be atheist and religious.
#199 to #159 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Atheists completely reject the idea of any deity, including mythology. Zeus is seen as the god of thunder in Greek mythology. Today, people who still believe in him regard him as a Pagan god. You cannot be atheist and religious, because atheism is the rejection of religion
#450 to #199 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/19/2012) [-]
Ok to start atheists do not reject a god of any kind this would imply that they believe in it, the correct terming would be they reject the belief in a god.

Here is the definition for the word atheist: Atheist (someone who does not believe in the existence of a god)

Note that it says the existence of a god.

A is a singular term.
#482 to #450 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/19/2012) [-]
Atheists reject the idea of all gods. They reject all religion.
#500 to #482 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
You are really going to ignore what i just said and restate what you said previously with less words, pick up a dictionary you will find what i have stated is true there are atheistic religions out there, painting a broad stroke and saying that all atheist do this, is like saying only there are only black Africans.

and to refer to your previous comment as well people who still believe in Zeus do not think him a pagan god, they would think of him as a god, only outside religions would refer to him as this.

I myself am a Atheist-Agnostic-Kopimist, you may be familiar with the first two but the latter is an atheistic religion.
#502 to #500 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
And I apologize, but I'm not sure whether to recognize Kopimism as a religion or not. To me, it seems somewhat like it's an excuse to bypass the law against file-sharing.
#505 to #502 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
It can't bypass any law its the same as any other religion, it doesn't give you the excuse to break the law, its like other religions using their holly book to justify pedophilia isn't going to get them out of jail.

Religion doesn't allow you to break the law.
#506 to #505 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
I beg to differ. Politicians in the US use Christianity and the Bible as an excuse to not follow the Constitution all the damn time, when the Constitution itself says to keep religion out of politics.
#509 to #506 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
"Politicians" enough said, they are mostly corrupt bastards anyway, Marcist communism is better than the system most countries have today but unfortunately Stalin sort of put fear into people because one man had all the power in his system.

with Marcist Communism no one has absolute say in anything, leaving an less corrupt system right off the bat also everyone share so why take food out of your own mouth.
#510 to #509 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah, communism is amazing in theory. However, due to human nature, it wouldn't work. That's the one and only flaw.
#511 to #510 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah its hateful.
#501 to #500 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
I really can't wrap my head against any atheistic "religion" other than atheism itself. I don't understand how someone can say they don't believe in gods, yet they still worship gods. it seems to be completely contradictory.
#503 to #501 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
As i said before an the term atheist only shows your position on one god, if you are a christian you don't believe in Allah this would mean you are an atheist when it comes to Allah, now people who don't believe in a god of any kind will call themselves atheist as it describes their position on all gods.

There is no religion called atheism, atheism the the opposite of theism, atheism is a term used to describe a broad scope of people who don't believe in a god this generally only includes people who don't believe in any gods, the term theist is the same it covers a broad scope of people who believe in a god it doesn't matter what god they believe in if they believe in one they are a theist.

Theists are groups such as Islam, Jewdaism and Christianity which i'm sure you'll agree have many different beliefs but they are all included in the same broad scope, this scope is theism, the same is true with atheism, the term atheism covers a broad scope of many people with many different beliefs that don't believe in a god.

Atheism isn't a religion, it is a term used to describe someones beliefs on one aspect of faith, you can be an atheist and believe that the earth is flat, you can be one and believe that karma exists, you can even be atheist an believe that abortion is ok and you can be an atheist and believe that abortion is wrong, i myself believe that abortion is wrong but because people paint atheism with such a narrow view thinking it is a religion people will assume that i think abortion is ok because i'm an atheist.

You misspelling the term is not your fault it is the same a rocket science, unless you have spent time researching it you will not know what it is. Preachers and ministers are to blame for the mislableing as well, as they tend to say atheist believe this and that when they intentionally are being dishonest or in some cases they really don't know what they are talking about.

Sorry for the essay, if only i put half the effort into my collage work. lol
#504 to #503 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEISM

1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deities
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

The doctrine (belief) that there is NO deity. A disbelief in the existence of DEITIES.

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
The very definition states that one cannot simply be atheistic toward one religion
#512 to #504 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
Did some research there and the dictionary you are using isn't the most reliable.

I am not the most articulate person so here is someone who is skip to around 2minuites he dose a good definition of the terms.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3RKZjSzYg
#513 to #512 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
If you don't like the dictionary I am using, how about the Oxford English Dictionary?

Definition of atheism
noun
[mass noun]
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Definition of atheist
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing someone not crediting other sources besides a YouTube video
#514 to #513 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
No the oxford dictionary is reliable, and as you seen there is a difference between the previous definition and the one in the oxford dictionary, namely this "one a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods" note it says "God or Gods" so as you can see i was correct using this definition you can be atheist to A god.

Now you can see in the definition of atheism it is a mass noun as i said before i covers a scope of people rather that a group.

the YouTube video can be considered a credible source as it is Matt Dillhunty he was a very religious person before he became atheist and did this through studying to become a preacher, it is a clip taken for the show the atheist experience, Matt is a much more articulate person than i am and has had to define these terms a lot so it is safe to say he knows what he is talking about in terms of atheism, the definition he gives also deals with agnostics and nostics.
#515 to #514 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
*sigh* no point arguing with someone so convinced they're right that they're blinded to the facts...
#516 to #515 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but you can see that the definition supports what i am saying, i am not very good with words which is why i tend to contradict myself, point where i am wrong and if its a valid point i will think it over, if you don't like that the dictionary you were using wasn't a reliable one why not look into why it wasn't reliable, the thing gives loose definitions with little to no supporting applications.

You do know not all site that seem reliable are don't you, would a teacher accept a quote from wikipeadia of corse not, it is user edited and can be made to say anything, not all sources are reliable.
#517 to #516 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/21/2012) [-]
I am using merriam-webster.com and the Oxford English Dictionary, both of which are credible sources, but I would hardly count a theist turned atheist, as on the YouTube video, as a credible source.

Are there any other sources that you can find that state that each religious person is, in fact, an atheist toward another religion?
#518 to #517 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/21/2012) [-]
Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God?

And i'm not saying the Oxford dictionary is not reliable, i am saying the Merriam Webster dictionary isn't, i checked a few sources and many of them said that there are a lot of better dictionaries such as dictionary.com so that one is less reliable of a source than other potential sources.
#519 to #518 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
#507 to #504 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/20/2012) [-]
You can not be included in the scope of atheism if you believe in a god because believing in even one god includes you in the scope of theism, now if you don't believe in say Allah, Zeus or Odin you do not believe in them ill take 2A from your definition here "a disbelief in the existence of deities " this makes you atheistic to these deities.

"The very definition states that one cannot simply be atheistic toward one religion" If you say this in this way it makes it sound as if you are under the impression that all
gods are the same god.

You can be theist and atheist at the same time as both are only singular terms they only describe the position on one god, however the words theism and atheism both are not singular they cover a scope rather than one individual case.

atheist and atheism are two different words and have different definitions.
#522 to #507 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/21/2012) [-]
full truth table should realy read:
Allah + No = Atheist
Athena + No = Atheist
Allah + Yes = Theist
Athena + Yes = Theist

Shortened it because i was close to the character cap.
#508 to #507 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEIST

: one who believes that there is no deity

Again from Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

And you are now contradicting yourself. In your last argument, you said that theism and atheism are opposites, and now you are saying you can be both theist and atheist.
#520 to #508 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/21/2012) [-]
Couldn't rely to the other one so i will apply here.

I am not avoiding a question i was trying to build to a logical point, however i should have addressed that in my previous comment, you can look up Ricard dawkins' speech on the same topic he has an answer that is in essence the same.

Now back to my point, i looked up a list of the deities of Wicca and i agree that would have been tedious, but this helps, now assuming this site is right Allah is not a god in your religion and even if he is recognized just pretend he isn't.

Now using the definitions above i'll use the definitions from both dictionaries that apply, as one word can have many meanings both dictionaries displayed this.

Websters: a disbelief in the existence of deities
Oxford: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

Now we can build what is know as a truth table from this, i use these in my course in college they are basically just a table of inputs and outputs and what they output when combined.

Ok we can agree with the definitions above that if you do not believe in a god or gods you are an atheist, now we will use Allah as the example god.
the outputs can be one of two states of theistic belief either you are an atheist or a theist. now also using what i have found of your religion i will use an example as this table will be of your point of view.
The table is like so:

God + do you beleive = Atheist/Theist

Allah + No = Athiest
Athena + Yes = Theist


Now as both state state diffident outputs we have to go back to our definitions, both state the being an atheist is lacking a beleif in god/gods now you are atheistic towards Allah but theistic towards Athena, this would mean where Islam is concerned you are an atheist.,you are a theist when it comes to Athena so you get included in the scope of theism, i lacking a belief in any god that i have knowledge of leaves me in the scope of atheism my truth table would be tedious.
#521 to #520 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/21/2012) [-]
I'm still waiting for a source to back up what you are saying about believing in one religion making you an atheist toward others, other than a person without a theological degree who has spoken on this...
#523 to #521 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but refusing to read what i wrote because i haven't quoted someone dose not mean i am wrong, now if you were to read through the argument and say i went logically wrong somewhere that is constructive and fair as i have even went through the effort in describing my viewpoint, this is not a discussion in theology it is rather a discussion with Symantec because we are essentially debating over the meaning of words, it would be a matter of gaining a source on someone who is qualified to study languages.

Theologians tend to be believers and they would be wasting their time playing with words when they can be addressing other faiths, now when the Romans tossed Christians to lions in the arenas they would say something along the lines of away with these atheist, this was because the Christians did not believe in the Roman gods however if the Romans were also Christians they would have made no sense saying this, you can find many debates where this topic has come up and both sides are quick to get it out of the way because it pulls from bigger issues and can become boring quick, this makes it hard to find the quote you are searching for.
#524 to #523 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/21/2012) [-]
I am not refusing to read what you write. I am reading it, and thinking that it is your own ********, that cannot be backed up by referencing sources.
Not all theologians are believers; many are agnostic, confused between religions because they study all.
#527 to #524 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/21/2012) [-]
Again reply cap.

I give up here the only source you have provided is a dictionary defonition, how am i to know that everything you have said is true, if we had to quote every peice of knowlage from someone else we would still be grunting rather than have a language, it is thinking yourself that helps things along, sometimes you can be wrong but without trial and error we would not be a far as we are today.
you can't demand a quote from a source every time somone says something to concider it true if not we would not have any sort of progress at all, i layed out what i was thinking you did nothing progressive the only things you have done so far is ask for work from other people and disscount two people who are concidered well enough versed to be asked for debates from many differnt faiths.
#528 to #527 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
#525 to #524 - whyfalsewhy
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#526 to #525 - xxxdemongirl
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(11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
#178 to #159 - funkysack
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(11/18/2012) [-]
lol no.. you cant be atheist and religious...

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

^ bam wiki
#455 to #178 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/19/2012) [-]
Wikipedia isn't a very reliable source of information as users can edit it, at one stage i had it say i invented the light bulb.

And note it said "in a broad sense" you should read the general and narrow sense too.
#441 to #178 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/19/2012) [-]
You can, not all religions have a deity.
#470 to #441 - funkysack
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(11/19/2012) [-]
what religion doesnt have a god?
#476 to #470 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/19/2012) [-]
Kopimism to name one, recognized as a religion in Sweden, The Church of Satan doesn't, and Scientology kinda doesn't not to sure about it.
#160 to #159 - kayen
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Really? Well I suppose you learn something new everyday!
#148 to #139 - noblexfenrir
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Why would it anger atheists? It's proven so we know it's a joke, most likely (if it's a good joke) we'll laugh.
#153 to #148 - kayen
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(11/18/2012) [-]
And where does it say that Evolution is confirmed?... I would like a source of this because I was completely unaware of it.

Basically I am requesting a source from anyone that it is confirmed because I am simply curious.
#164 to #153 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/18/2012) [-]
The DNA evidence is enough to confirm that all life had a common ancestor, even without fossil evidence evolution would remain a theory.

When something is called a theory in science that dose not mean it is their best guess, theory is when it has enough evidence to be proven.

The word for guess in science in hypothesis.
#166 to #164 - kayen
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(11/18/2012) [-]
You sir are causing me to have to relearn a lot of words.
#437 to #166 - whyfalsewhy
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(11/19/2012) [-]
It is a common mistake in definitions.
#158 to #153 - noblexfenrir
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Really?

The evidence for evolution is vast and numerous that it is essentially a proven fact, we also see it occurring every single day on this planet. It is one of the most supported and proven scientific theories we have.

So yes, evolution did, does, will happen and if you want a source just look up any reputable biology article on evolution and then take a look at all the opposing viewpoints and arguments and see how those don't hold up in the slightest.
#211 to #158 - doctorgiano
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(11/18/2012) [-]
As a theist I find no problem with evolution, as you said, fully real.
#143 to #139 - cripto [OP]
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Dunno man, maybe I'll go and kill some kittens or burn an orphanage, I'm just so evil I can't think what to do!
#146 to #143 - mayormilkman
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(11/18/2012) [-]
Is this you right now?

These comments are pretty confusing to me, by the way.