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#426 - Pyromie ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
There is no science that can disprove god...   
   
We (of whom believe in god) KNOW he exists, but we can no more prove his existence than science can disprove it. That is where faith comes into play.    
   
Those of us (Christians) who are intelligent enough to comprehend science understand that divine intervention doesn't have to mean "POOF" There is a miracle, It simply means that it is by the will and grace of god that those scientific occurrences happened in the first place.    
   
He didn't snap his fingers and create the universe, he simply aided in the cosmic matter being where it needed to at that point in time for the big bang to occur, and aided in humanity's evolution into a form similar to his own.    
   
As to why god would let  bad things happen in the first place, or cause them in some instances is simple. Agency.    
   
God lets us as people decide our own fate. Yes, he may have aided in the plagues that occurred, or he may have simply knew they were coming, and gave the prophet that knowledge to use to save his people.    
   
Either way, It was to serve a purpose.    
   
I'm not sure if baptist or protestants understand agency, but in the Mormon (LDS) church (of which I practice) it is also known as free will.    
   
Now some of you may disagree with what I have written, and I respect your right to do so. I do ask that you give me the same respect in allowing me to believe what    
i do, without judgement.    
   
Thank you.
There is no science that can disprove god...

We (of whom believe in god) KNOW he exists, but we can no more prove his existence than science can disprove it. That is where faith comes into play.

Those of us (Christians) who are intelligent enough to comprehend science understand that divine intervention doesn't have to mean "POOF" There is a miracle, It simply means that it is by the will and grace of god that those scientific occurrences happened in the first place.

He didn't snap his fingers and create the universe, he simply aided in the cosmic matter being where it needed to at that point in time for the big bang to occur, and aided in humanity's evolution into a form similar to his own.

As to why god would let bad things happen in the first place, or cause them in some instances is simple. Agency.

God lets us as people decide our own fate. Yes, he may have aided in the plagues that occurred, or he may have simply knew they were coming, and gave the prophet that knowledge to use to save his people.

Either way, It was to serve a purpose.

I'm not sure if baptist or protestants understand agency, but in the Mormon (LDS) church (of which I practice) it is also known as free will.

Now some of you may disagree with what I have written, and I respect your right to do so. I do ask that you give me the same respect in allowing me to believe what
i do, without judgement.

Thank you.
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User avatar #531 to #426 - sacredmagic ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
Ahhhh brilliant. Some level-headed thinking!
User avatar #462 to #426 - PhoJoe (11/14/2012) [-]
You can't prove a negative, there's no scient that disproves Russel's Teapot. Either than that, not a bad post.
User avatar #467 to #462 - Pyromie ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
I'm not sure what Russell's Teapot is to be honest. I suppose I could google it.

If I may ask, what do you mean, "You can't prove a negative?"

Do you mean it as one cannot prove somethings non-existance?

I'm not sure.

Care to elaborate?
User avatar #473 to #467 - PhoJoe (11/14/2012) [-]
I think a good example of it would be "The Dragon in my Garage" by Carl Sagan from "The Demon-Haunted Word"
It's an analogy for proving a negative.
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#479 to #473 - Pyromie ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
Very interesting read. I can see from that standpoint what you mean. I rather liked his final comment at the end:

"Such “evidence”—no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it—is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion."

Note he doesn't say to judge them for believing in it, but rather, wonder what brings them to the same, as he calls it "Delusion". Rather well put.

For me, this once again brings into play Faith. I cannot see, cannot feel, and cannot speak directly to the lord, but I believe in him, for I choose to.

Those who believe differently don't necessarily lack Faith, but they place it where they feel it best rationally should reside, whatever/where ever that may be.

I respect them for doing so, for to blindly follow others, and never once think "What else is there?" is foolish.

I've done my soul searching, I'd like to think myself a learned man, and I ask that others do the same. Reject complacency, and conformity and find what suits you.

Find where you can place your faith, and know, without a shadow of a doubt existing in your mind, that you are sure you've found the truth. Whether it be science, religion, or something unknown, just be sure it is what YOU believe.
User avatar #454 to #426 - evictedone ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
Sir/ma'am, thank you for your clarity and your lack of hostility in pursuing and stating your point of view. I, myself, am unreligious, but I do not turn down the views of others unless it is they who throw the first stone.
In this case, the stone was not thrown, but was kindly handed. And, for that, I turn my ear to you, and I listen as closely as I may. Thank you.
#460 to #454 - Pyromie ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
Thanks very much for your comment. I respect fellow individuals who can see the difference between an attack, and an opinion.

Sir Nicholas The first.

Or just Nick.

Or just Pyromie.

Or just Hey, You.

All work for me!

User avatar #449 to #426 - baconrider (11/14/2012) [-]
You just had to mention the miracles.
User avatar #453 to #449 - Pyromie ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
Indeed, figured Gamzee was suitable for the topic.
#455 to #453 - baconrider (11/14/2012) [-]
Gamzee is always related.
Gamzee is always related.
User avatar #443 to #426 - baroger (11/14/2012) [-]
i love mormons, and being mormon. SCIENCE+RELIGION=BETTER KNOWLEDGE
User avatar #430 to #426 - thexxtalonxx (11/14/2012) [-]
Awesome post
#437 to #430 - Pyromie ONLINE (11/14/2012) [-]
Thank you.

A few comments just struck a nerve.

I know judging them isn't going to help, so Instead of thumbing them down, or ranting and raving on their post, I'd simply post my own beliefs in a collected manner.
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