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#253 - SuperPotatoChipMan (11/14/2012) [-]
But there is the argument that God made all of that happen by working through nature.
User avatar #255 to #253 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
Then what's the point of god?
User avatar #289 to #255 - ihatem (11/14/2012) [-]
A maestro conducting the symphony
User avatar #308 to #289 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
But he never violates the laws of physics. To conduct a symphony you have to actually conduct something, not just expect the orchestra to do it by itself.
#317 to #308 - telmarine (11/14/2012) [-]
he also created the band that plays the symphony.

if you do everything right, no one will be sure you did anything at all- futurama. i think
User avatar #321 to #317 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude but I'm honestly curious how this works. If the universe can go on by itself then what is the point of a god? He never breaks the laws of physics which means he does nothing extraordinary so why does he need to exist at all?
User avatar #327 to #321 - telmarine (11/14/2012) [-]
do you have to bend time and space to guide something? no

are you looking for exact proof that he exists? no one can show you

why must god "break" physics if he created it?
User avatar #330 to #327 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
The point is this. If God does not interfere with what the laws of physics dictate then that mean he is no longer relevant. If God does not change these laws how can we say he has power over them or even created them for that matter? If God can be dismissed as irrelevant in modern times then he can just as easily be dismissed all together
User avatar #340 to #330 - sterlingarcher (11/14/2012) [-]
Perhaps it's all in plan/calculation and he already did his part.
User avatar #346 to #340 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
No offense to you personally...
But it's a pretty ****** up plan.
User avatar #351 to #346 - sterlingarcher (11/14/2012) [-]
You may be right, but don't you think it a little arrogant for us to judge a "masterplan" You never know, they ending may be beautiful to this story
User avatar #363 to #351 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
Maybe but there is far too much blood, murder, rape, oppression, genocide, greed, selfishness, and what have you in between for me to have much compassion for this "master plan", no matter what the ending is.
User avatar #375 to #363 - sterlingarcher (11/14/2012) [-]
I always have that issue with people. but we humans did that. Not god. Technically, if you play grand theft auto, you can be a good citizen, follow the law, not kill etc.. but inside that game, will run over hookers. It's by our command those things happen. Just my view of it
User avatar #377 to #375 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
But if it's god's "master plan" he knew that was going to happen. He planned it. He could have stopped it, but he didn't. He chose to let every bad thing in the world happen and had a chance to stop it and that, I believe, is the worst possible thing anyone can do which is to let another person die when you can stop it.
User avatar #379 to #377 - sterlingarcher (11/14/2012) [-]
True, perhaps. But I think he knows only because of probability. So, this is all only my opinion but... God is math, therefore he can predict every movement/action made, and in a plan, things must fall together. I must fail that math test, so I realize I need to study harder. I failed because I did not study. That is probabliity working. So, in this way,. God work. And I think it deeply saddens him, but what must be done, has to.

I used to hate God for this reason, but I learned that it would be silly for me to question something so far past my capability of understanding.
User avatar #389 to #379 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
But it isn't a human's fault because...
A. God created humans with knowledge that they would commit every single one of these acts
B. If you believe the story of Noah, god allowed humans to live through Noah's children knowing his decedents would eventually commit these acts.
C. God is supposed to have a "perfect" plan for everything. This plan MUST include everything humans do. A perfect plan would not include evil.
Since you were talking about math, This is like if god had the equation 10=|x|. Now that means x could be positive or negative and still equal 10. Let us assume, for the sake of the metaphor, that 10 is perfection and -10 is non perfection. God could reach 10 through a plan that IS absolutely perfect. But, god chose to go with -10, the unperfect plan. He may still get the same result in the end but it is not a perfect plan.
User avatar #394 to #389 - sterlingarcher (11/14/2012) [-]
I'm a little...under the fluence, so pardon me on any mistakes.

A:He created humans or humans were just created through mathematic probablity, and if so, through free will, he may not dictate their future, only know it.

B: Perfect does not simply mean Positive or good.. Perfect only means that it "fits" A puzzle piece can be a perfect fit, even if it's covered in poop. Get what Im saying? Our idea of perfect includes only positive, but ignores the negatives needed for balance.

C: Kinda like I said before in B, just because negatives are involved, doesn't mean that the plan is imperfect. All about perspective.
User avatar #400 to #394 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
No problem, I know the feeling.
A: Because he knows what will happen that means it is a fixed thing, therefore since events have been predicted before a person exists they do not actually have free will since everything has already been determined. God has still decided to make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao knowing exactly what they would do.
B: For an all loving god to allow non loving acts to happen means that his plan is not perfect. If he were truly an all loving god with a perfect plan his plan would cause the least amount of pain and suffering, which is zero.
C: Same thing, in this scenario perfect would mean without anything negative. There is a reason heaven is supposed to have no pain, it is "perfect". If heaven is perfect and has no negatives then that can only mean earth is flawed.
User avatar #337 to #330 - telmarine (11/14/2012) [-]
if his laws are made well enough he shouldn't have to break them (also if you go into quantom mechanics, the rules change A LOT). and to guide something i don't need to **** with physics, its like teaching kindergarten or ducklings following a mama duck. i would debate this more but i'm gonna go play with myself, have a nice life/ make some more comics soon.
User avatar #344 to #337 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
Trust me, I know Quantum Physics gets ******* weird. The point wasn't could got have created it the point was why MUST god have had to create it instead of something else?
User avatar #349 to #344 - telmarine (11/14/2012) [-]
arguments make me soft. also explain
User avatar #358 to #349 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
Many people attribute the universe as god's creation simply because, "The universe is just to perfect to come about by chance." or something like that. The point I was trying to make is that we can explain things that happen with universal laws that aren't broken. For example, people used to attribute lightning to a god's wrath. Now, we know very well why and how lightning happens. If we can make god irrelevant in what happens every day why should the start of the universe be any different. Eventually, we can make god irrelevant in that. And if that happens, why should we believe in him?
User avatar #412 to #358 - telmarine (11/14/2012) [-]
we are never going to know everything, therefor god exists

god is used to fill the gaps in our knowledge- someone famous
User avatar #417 to #412 - robopuppy (11/14/2012) [-]
Worshiping a god of the gaps is not proof that he exists, and as the gaps in our knowledge are slowly filled god is finding fewer and fewer places to hide.
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